Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think the difference is in the rule of law. With Anarchism and Libertarianism there is no moderation of the rule by the strong. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:28 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> Like libertarianism, which is the right wing version

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-20 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > As for being free birds, I'm rather doubtful. Free to respond > possibly. Free in the way you mean it, doubtful. People are just too > easily manipulated. Moreover all to often they will put the chains on > themselves and ask you to order

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-20 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Like libertarianism, which is the right wing version of Anarchism, it > leads only to rule by the strong for the strong. If you have no > problem with some thug with a gun telling you what to do then go for > it. It's always somebody tell

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-20 Thread denstar
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:46 AM, denstar wrote: > >> Seemed more like you cast aspersions on the entire profession. > > I was good friends with a NYC sanitation cop years ago. To think > someone would want to steal it. Really liked him. I should see

RE: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-17 Thread Sisk, Kris
rong by the strong. Frankly I can see advantages and disadvantages over what we currently have with either one. -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:13 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
As for being free birds, I'm rather doubtful. Free to respond possibly. Free in the way you mean it, doubtful. People are just too easily manipulated. Moreover all to often they will put the chains on themselves and ask you to order them about. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:01 AM, denstar wrote: > >

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Like libertarianism, which is the right wing version of Anarchism, it leads only to rule by the strong for the strong. If you have no problem with some thug with a gun telling you what to do then go for it. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:01 AM, denstar wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jer

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-17 Thread Sam
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:46 AM, denstar wrote: > Seemed more like you cast aspersions on the entire profession. I was good friends with a NYC sanitation cop years ago. To think someone would want to steal it. Really liked him. I should see if he's on facebook. > Who are we to tell other peopl

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-16 Thread denstar
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:46 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:33 PM, denstar wrote: > It seemed like you were judging garbage men. >>> >>> No it didn't >> >> Did so!  =)p > > I was judging the author Seemed more like you cast aspersions on the entire profession. >>> I didn't sa

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-16 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:33 PM, denstar wrote: >>> It seemed like you were judging garbage men. >> >> No it didn't > > Did so!  =)p I was judging the author >> I didn't say I was better than him. I said I couldn't be happy as an >> unskilled laborer. > > Oh come now.  Ye went a damn sight fu

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread denstar
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM, denstar wrote: >> >> It seemed like you were judging garbage men. > > No it didn't Did so! =)p >> It not you being happy with your lot-- it's you taking shit regarding >> other people's. > > I didn't say I was bet

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Scott Stroz
Sam - I am with you on the NY style pizza. I prefer it to Chicago style pizza, but that does not mean, to me, that Chicago style pizza is bad. That being said, I would put the best NY style pizza up against the best Chicago style pizza and bet on the NY style any day of the week and twice on Sund

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
Now now. I wouldn't call Chicago pizza lovers stupid. You just have poor taste. On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > -Original Message- > Unless it is Chicago style pizza of course heheheh > > > > It felt to me like you were knocking people for being different than

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- Unless it is Chicago style pizza of course heheheh It felt to me like you were knocking people for being different than yourself. That somebody likes a different kind of food than myself doesn't make them stupid or underachievers. Just different. And I'm fine with

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM, denstar wrote: > > It seemed like you were judging garbage men. No it didn't > It not you being happy with your lot-- it's you taking shit regarding > other people's. I didn't say I was better than him. I said I couldn't be happy as an unskilled laborer. > The

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread denstar
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM, denstar wrote: >> >> Screw that noise.  Refuse management is *super* important. >> >> I respect that, and those that perform a thing that I need. >> >> Sounds like you take stuff for granted.  Isn't that part of "the

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
...and I am really missing it here in Batesville...not a decent slice of pizza to be found hehehe -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Chicago Style

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
W00t! -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:27 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Chicago Style Pizza? On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is there anything about Ame

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
gt; > > -Original Message- > > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:50 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts > > > > > > Speak for yourself. > >

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
st 15, 2010 2:50 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts > > > Speak for yourself. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-An

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Just because you don't want to admit it doesn't make it not true... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:50 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Speak for yourself. On Sun, Aug 15,

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
Speak for yourself. On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I think you need to look around a bit more Sam...that does represent > America. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.co

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
I think you need to look around a bit more Sam...that does represent America. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:55 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:43 PM

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Vivec wrote: > > It seems to me that you saw the article as attacking the American way > of life and you immediately became defensive, without really > comprehending the article at all. No, I saw it as a comical representation of a country. You do realize if hal

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Vivec
"Point from that article was we're not happy because we work hard and full time. " That was not the point of the article. The points raised in the article are,inter alia: 1) Denmark has the highest reported happiness index of any country in the world. 2) Denmark also has one of the highest tax

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
I would hardly call that an easy job... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Abstraction again? We are talking about his career standards remember

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
Abstraction again? We are talking about his career standards remember? Yeah he has an easy job and makes friends and that's fine. It's not the standards to rate a country by. On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Medic wrote: >> You don't think he has lower standards? > > You have absolutely NO ide

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
> > Talk about language abstraction, I had no idea you were referring > to programming :) > Go back and read the sentence. It's not cryptic. > As another note, I probably write more PL/SQL than cf these days but I > do see your point. > Me too! > You don't think he has lower standards? You h

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Medic wrote: > > Ya, I was pointing out the irony about your statement compared to the fact > that you have chosen CF, the easiest of all the languages. You seemed to > think I was commenting on how you speak. Talk about language abstraction, I had no idea you w

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
> > > Totally unrelated to the discussion so yea. Nice attack glad to see you > came back to the discussion at hand. > Ya, I was pointing out the irony about your statement compared to the fact that you have chosen CF, the easiest of all the languages. You seemed to think I was commenting on how

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Let him stop picking up garbage and we will see just how little he does to help his community... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:27 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts On Sun, Aug 15

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
Point from that article was we're not happy because we work hard and full time. If they interview two people for the article and one is a part time worker that puts no effort into his work they are doing the country a disservice. All the happy people in Denmark and they chose him to represent happ

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Medic wrote: > > Um, I said abstraction, not abstract. Speed reading again Sam? Totally unrelated to the discussion so yea. Nice attack glad to see you came back to the discussion at hand. > Happiness is subjective Sam. One mans 25 hour a week garbage run is an

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Vivec
So if neither of these is true, then what on earth is your point regarding the amount of hours that this man works, and his sense of achievement and happiness? And then what comparison are you drawing between the value system regarding work of the US, as defined by yourself, and that described in

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Vivec wrote: > > So you believe that a job should be the most important thing in someone's > life. Never said that and never thought that. > And anyone not working 9 or 10 hour days cannot be contributing to Society, > and is a leech and a drain on society. N

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
It's really only since the fall of Rome that the idea of hard work was seen as a good thing. The goal was always to work less and think more. To expand the creative and philosophical mind through the arts, music, theatre, debate, discussion and discovery. I've always thought it was a shame that we

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
Um, I said abstraction, not abstract. Speed reading again Sam? Happiness is subjective Sam. One mans 25 hour a week garbage run is another mans 40 hour a week cf job. The point is, if he's happy doing a necessary job then he's a success in HIS life. If you're happy with your not-so-necessary job

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Vivec
So you believe that a job should be the most important thing in someone's life. And anyone not working 9 or 10 hour days cannot be contributing to Society, and is a leech and a drain on society. You believe that Achievement equates wholly and solely to gains made in the workplace, whether as an e

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Vivec wrote: > > The article mentions the man was happy having more time with his kids, > more time to coach his daughter's handball team etc. > So there are other things , more important to him than his job, which > make him happy. > > Yet you belittle that;didn

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Medic wrote: > > Weird that you are talking about being challenged yet you write in the least > complicated abstraction language there is. ;p And your advanced language skills put me to shame. > I just wonder why you are ragging on a garbage man saying he's an

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Vivec
The article mentions the man was happy having more time with his kids, more time to coach his daughter's handball team etc. So there are other things , more important to him than his job, which make him happy. Yet you belittle that;didn't read it; or intentionally ignore it to make a poiint. Or y

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 3:21 PM, denstar wrote: > > Screw that noise.  Refuse management is *super* important. > > I respect that, and those that perform a thing that I need. > > Sounds like you take stuff for granted.  Isn't that part of "the > problem" with society today? When writing an artic

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Medic
Weird that you are talking about being challenged yet you write in the least complicated abstraction language there is. ;p I just wonder why you are ragging on a garbage man saying he's an under achiever and doesn't like being challenged? Sounds pretty elitist to me. Also sounds like you are jump

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-15 Thread Sam
You don't ever get anything do you? I 'll have to explain it so even you can understand. Some people are happy just slinking by while others need to do more to be happy. A sense of personal pride, not ego. I'm not happy just getting by, just doing enough to get the paycheck, how about you? On Sa

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Sam
I am happy. My metrics for happiness are obviously much higher than yours :) Like I said, some people are happy not being challenged and just getting by. That would drive me crazy. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Medic wrote: > > Wow. You don't think being happy with your life, whether garbag

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread denstar
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > Garbageman is either an under achiever or no other options. Many > people like non-thinking jobs. Not me. Screw that noise. Refuse management is *super* important. I respect that, and those that perform a thing that I need. Sounds like you take

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Sam
BTW, nice how you turned that into me being a hater. Good work there On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Vivec wrote: > > And right there we see the societal differences that the article > highlighted between countries such as America, and Denmark. > >

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Eric Roberts
It's only the dream if she is a Vampire slayer ;-) -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 9:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Ahh the great American ide

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Ahh the great American ideal of happiness- a McMansion, 3 bmws in the driveway, a wife named Buffy, 2 kids and more money than you can spend...we really are miserable! Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2010, at 1:15 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Sam wrote: > ... >> A

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Sam
Garbageman is either an under achiever or no other options. Many people like non-thinking jobs. Not me. The longshorman job I was talking about was a do-no-work job since all the work moved out of NYC. Read the paper, play cards and cash the check. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Eric Roberts

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread denstar
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Sam wrote: ... > A guy works five hours a day collecting garbage and he rates his > happiness eight of of ten. If only my standards were so low. The Greatest Gift is Life, esse! :DeN -- If you are a prince, and I am a prince, who will wash the camels?

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-14 Thread denstar
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 7:36 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Still, it's a bonus to be able to form like Voltron when needed." > > Are you on drugs? > > If so, give me some :) > Sure! I always try to bring enough for the rest of the class. If there's not enough, we can form a little private group,

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Medic
Wow. You don't think being happy with your life, whether garbage man, longshoreman or CF coder, isn't the highest level achievement? That's horribly sad. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Sam wrote: > > Point is some people are happy being under-achievers. I think it's > nothing to brag about.

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Vivec
And right there we see the societal differences that the article highlighted between countries such as America, and Denmark. On 14 August 2010 11:51, Eric Roberts wrote: > > So you are saying that just because someone is a garbageman or a longshorman > they are underachievers? ~

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Eric Roberts
So you are saying that just because someone is a garbageman or a longshorman they are underachievers? -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 11:48 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts Point is

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Sam
Point is some people are happy being under-achievers. I think it's nothing to brag about. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Vivec wrote: > > So in Denmark you'd go do something else because that didn't make you happy. > And the State would probably pay for you to retrain as well. > > What's you

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Vivec
So in Denmark you'd go do something else because that didn't make you happy. And the State would probably pay for you to retrain as well. What's your point? On 14 August 2010 10:59, Sam wrote: > > The fact that we all are constantly learning to stay working much more > than five hours a day mus

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Sam
The fact that we all are constantly learning to stay working much more than five hours a day must mean we're all greedy in your eyes. They do say happiness is bliss. Thinking back, I was offered a job as a longshorman in NYC 30 years ago when the work was winding down. If I took it I would have

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-14 Thread Medic
Don't confuse greed with high standards. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Sam wrote: > > Did you read it? > A guy works five hours a day collecting garbage and he rates his > happiness eight of of ten. If only my standards were so low. > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > >

Re: Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Still, it's a bonus to be able to form like Voltron when needed." Are you on drugs? If so, give me some :) J - Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny - Thomas Jefferson on government

Anarchy (was Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts)

2010-08-13 Thread denstar
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: ... > "Full anarchy for everyone?" > > I can see the benefits of anarchy more and more every day. I say anarchy is all there /really/ is. Perhaps people can be effectively chained, but total chainage is just im-poseeb-lay. We are free birds,

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"So Reagan was a tax and spend liberal. " If you say so. I never said that. "Excellent. What should we replace the income tax with? Nothing? " A national sales tax. "Full anarchy for everyone?" I can see the benefits of anarchy more and more every day. "You told me we need taxes but y

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Amen. Finally something we can agree on. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > The income tax should be abolished altogether. No need for brackets. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Marginal tax rates are lower, in the US, for every bracket now than they > were under Reagan. So lets start there. Should tax rates be returned to what > they were under Reagan. If not, why not?" > > Lord no. > > The income tax should be a

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Marginal tax rates are lower, in the US, for every bracket now than they were under Reagan. So lets start there. Should tax rates be returned to what they were under Reagan. If not, why not?" Lord no. The income tax should be abolished altogether. No need for brackets. J - Experience hath

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Eric Roberts
PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts "Well, of course you can. Have you ever seen a prosperous country without taxe" I don't just mean taxes. I mean high taxes. The larger the better. Look at all of the successful countries with tax r

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
Did you read it? A guy works five hours a day collecting garbage and he rates his happiness eight of of ten. If only my standards were so low. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Don't spoil his delusion that Europe is a socialist over-taxed cesspool. > No one on that side of th

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Don't spoil his delusion that Europe is a socialist over-taxed cesspool. No one on that side of the issue wants to hear any reality about taxes. If you take away the "read my lips, no new taxes" rhetoric, then they also lose all their scapegoating and finger-pointing, and vilification opportunitie

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Well, of course you can. Have you ever seen a prosperous country without > taxe" > > I don't just mean taxes.   I mean high taxes.  The larger the better. > > Look at all of the successful countries with tax rates out of the > stratosphere

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
you mean like the "Happiest Country in the World" http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=4086092&page=1 On Aug 13, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Well, of course you can. Have you ever seen a prosperous country without > taxe" > > I don't just mean taxes. I mean high taxes. The l

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Well, of course you can. Have you ever seen a prosperous country without taxe" I don't just mean taxes. I mean high taxes. The larger the better. Look at all of the successful countries with tax rates out of the stratosphere. J - Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms thos

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "No way!  What we need is more taxes, sugar!  Bill baby bill!" > > Everybody knows you can tax your way to prosperity. Well, of course you can. Have you ever seen a prosperous country without taxe

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No way! What we need is more taxes, sugar! Bill baby bill!" Everybody knows you can tax your way to prosperity. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/d

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread denstar
No way! What we need is more taxes, sugar! Bill baby bill! :Den -- If I am given a formula, and I am ignorant of its meaning, it cannot teach me anything, but if I already know it, what does the formula teach me? St. Augustine On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > THE UNSPENT STIMU

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
The unspent money has been allocated. We have to pay it back even if it's not spent. If you take out a loan and put it in the bank you still need to pay back the loan. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Ok, you obviously don't get the idea of unspent money.  So what do you not

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Ok, you obviously don't get the idea of unspent money. So what do you not want them to spend the unspent money on? Education, infrastructure, war, immigration, housing, propaganda, or something else? Or is even that question beyond your comprehension? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Sam wro

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
THE UNSPENT STIMULUS MONEY! for starters If we don't spend the money we don't need to make cuts to cover the cost. Then there's the trillions for Obama care. Don't spend the money and we don't need to cut other things. Then start cutting salaries in Washington. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:07 PM,

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread denstar
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > So we didn't even start to pay the $Trillion health care bill yet we > can't pay our existing bills. You do know we will have to pay that > health care bill very soon? Because of 2012? > The stimulus money that was paid back is being spent on new

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
So I repeat my question. Of the money actually being spent, what you cut? Not the source, the actual expenditure. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > So we didn't even start to pay the $Trillion health care bill yet we > can't pay our existing bills. You do know we will have to p

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
So we didn't even start to pay the $Trillion health care bill yet we can't pay our existing bills. You do know we will have to pay that health care bill very soon? The stimulus money that was paid back is being spent on new pork. The unspent money should be sent back and used to to pay down the d

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Very little has been spent on health care, so the one trillion dollar health care figure is pure fantasy. Unspent stimulus money is "unspent". You have difficulty with that concept, or just refuse to believe anything non-Rovian? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Sam wrote: > > So we didn't act

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
I knew you would like it :P On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Entertaining would not be the word I would use unless if by "entertaining" > you mean "what a load of crap..." > > Eric > ~| Order the Adobe

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Eric Roberts
Entertaining would not be the word I would use unless if by "entertaining" you mean "what a load of crap..." Eric -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 9:23 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition t

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
So we didn't actually spend the $3 trillion? Time to pay some bills. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Maureen wrote: > > No, I'm saying money that has actually be allocated to be spent, not these > pie in the sky "projections" that he is pulling out of his nether regions. > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
No, I'm saying money that has actually be allocated to be spent, not these pie in the sky "projections" that he is pulling out of his nether regions. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > He just mentioned $2-1/2 trillion that should not have been spent. > > Are you saying "starting .

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
He just mentioned $2-1/2 trillion that should not have been spent. Are you saying "starting ... Now!" Or are you saying the money is already spent so what are you going to cut to pay for it? You do realize it won't matter because they will keep spending. It's like blaming the utility companies f

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Hey Karl, Instead of throwing out a bunch of spin about unspent money, could you actually tell us what you think should be cut from current spending? You know, the stuff that is actually in the budget. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Sam wrote: > > Here's a start: > > Voters know it is Mr.

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Maureen
Ok. Answer that. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Curious as to which spending being done by the current administration you > think should be cut. Be specific." > > It might be easier to ask me which ones they should keep. > > J > ~~

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Sam
Here's a start: Voters know it is Mr. Obama and Democratic leaders who approved a $410 billion supplemental (complete with 8,500 earmarks) in the middle of the last fiscal year, and then passed a record-spending budget for this one. Mr. Obama and Democrats approved an $862 billion stimulus and a

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Medic
Which ones should they keep? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Curious as to which spending being done by the current administration you > think should be cut. Be specific." > > It might be easier to ask me which ones they should keep. > > J > > - > > Experience hath s

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-13 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Curious as to which spending being done by the current administration you think should be cut. Be specific." It might be easier to ask me which ones they should keep. J - Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, p

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread denstar
Not the bombers! They're mandated. The schools tho... well, they ain't. Or something like that. It's related to why we don't have a standing army, I think. ;-] :Den -- ...mathematical proofs, like diamonds, are hard and clear, and will be touched with nothing but strict reasoning. Locke, J

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread denstar
LOL On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Emo Kid wrote: > >>You had me at "Insane GOP" > > You had me at "cuts". > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Maureen
Sorry.. I missed the word not when I read your post. Curious as to which spending being done by the current administration you think should be cut. Be specific. On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > That's why I said "the not so fiscally conservative Bush Administration".

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Bush was many things. Fiscally conservative was not among them. Even the conservatives will agree with me on that." Exactly. That's why I said "the not so fiscally conservative Bush Administration". When you make the Bush Administration spending look weak, you're are accomplishing something.

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > It's an easy argument to make when the Obama administration announced that > the July deficit was 165 billion dollars. That is more than the deficit > for > the entire year 2007 under the not so fiscally conservative Bush > administration

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Eric Roberts
It may be an easy one, but it's not an honest one... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:16 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts "On the one hand they blame Obama's

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Sam
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Vivec wrote: > > On the one hand they blame Obama's government for the deficit > situation, and talk at length about what must be done to reduce the > deficit.. Yes, it's very important. > But they are firmly against repealing tax cuts on the rich. Obviously yo

Re: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"On the one hand they blame Obama's government for the deficit situation, and talk at length about what must be done to reduce the deficit.." It's an easy argument to make when the Obama administration announced that the July deficit was 165 billion dollars. That is more than the deficit for the

RE: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts

2010-08-12 Thread Eric Roberts
So they bitch about Obama being too socialist, yet they want to be more like a communist dictatorship? Huh? -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:37 AM To: cf-community Subject: Insane GOP opposition to repealing tax cuts On the

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