Man comes home from work and his wife meets him at the front door.
"You won't believe what your son did today. He got sent home from school for
having sex with his teacher!"
"Wow, I'll go up and have a talk with him".
So the man goes up to his kids room, and after he closes the door and makes
s
I more comment :)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102100144_4.html
Looks like I'm spewing left wing nonsense from years ago.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Sam wrote:
> I see you're a member of the Larry Lyons school of debate.
> We're done.
>
> On Wed,
No Sam...you are just clueless..
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:56 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colors
I see you're a member of the L
I see you're a member of the Larry Lyons school of debate.
We're done.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> They are not getting a pass. They reported the abuse when they discovered
> it instead of trying to hide it like the catholic church did. Get a fucking
> clue already
They cover it up all the time. They don't put much effort into it
since the media doesn't report it.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Schools haven't tried to cover it up...unlike the Cathloic Church...
>
~
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colors
Exactly, but why are the other groups getting a pass?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> If a religion does wrong, it should pay just like
Schools haven't tried to cover it up...unlike the Cathloic Church...
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colo
Whatever dumbass
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Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 3:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colors
Yeah that's my point. One group get's high-fi
Exactly, but why are the other groups getting a pass?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> If a religion does wrong, it should pay just like any other group would.
>
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Want to reach the ColdFusion communit
That's what I'm saying about the schools but you don't care because
you think little Johnny got the teacher.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Too bad...maybe they should have done the right thing and reported it to
> police.
>
~~~
Yeah that's my point. One group get's high-fives while the other get's
shut down and you in your oblivion support that. Not because you care
about the kids, you obviously don't, you only care because you think
the Church could get shut.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> It
You responded to Larry's blurred comment with a pat on the back? Irony?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Isn't that a conservative modus operandi instead of making logical
> comparisons?
>
> Eric
>
~|
Wa
> Herr Ratzinger
I've kinda taken a liking to my Dad's version (and he's a 100% died in
the wool pope-is-infallible kinda Catholic)
ObersturmbannKardinalbischof Ratzinger.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
If a religion does wrong, it should pay just like any other group would.
Eric
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:53 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colo
Too bad...maybe they should have done the right thing and reported it to
police.
Eric
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From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:51 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show
Yep...Herr Ratzinger was in charge of that group before he became pope.
Eric
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From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:47 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show
#x27;s all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colors
Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
Schools don't even get reported while churches across America are
shutting down.
While the abuse and the cover-ups are wrong and should be punishe
Isn't that a conservative modus operandi instead of making logical
comparisons?
Eric
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From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:46 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC c
nancy grace is passionate about everything
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote:
>> Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the
>> problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same
>> thin
Well, yes, I thought I'd not overplay the hand and not mention that
Benedict was the Grand Inquisitor and a former Nazi Youth.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Yes, and the current pope spent fourteen years as Prefect of the
> Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - i.e.
Yes, and the current pope spent fourteen years as Prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - i.e. The Grand
Inquisitor. So why is anyone surprised at his attitude now?
You don't have to go back hundreds of years to find atrocities by
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Sam wrote:
> And the schools?
The Connecticut law would apply to school and teachers as well, I
think. But they are not opposing it.
-Cameron
...
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Want to reach the ColdFusion community wit
And the schools?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sam wrote:
>> So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible?
>
> To the core of this thread... Church groups have just as much right
> as any charity to fund
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Sam wrote:
> I never knew any one watched her and I can't believe you would admit it :)
I do watch HLN a lot - sometimes I don't change the channel quick enough.
-Cameron
...
~|
Want to reach
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Sam wrote:
> So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible?
To the core of this thread... Church groups have just as much right
as any charity to fund their operations any (legal) way they would
like, tax free. They should also be held t
So is your point religion doesn't need money so take any way possible?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Sam wrote:
>> I wasn't complaining about collecting money for religion, you were.
>
> The basis of this entire branch of the thre
"I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition."
"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> > I _can_ sadly imagine a group of black clad evil men crouched in a back
> room
> > AT THIS
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> Can you specifically explain how this Connecticut bill is intended to single
> out The Church, and bankrupt it? (I don't get it)
I didn't say single out.
But if you look at it, how often is little Johnny, now 65, going to
sue his
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> I _can_ sadly imagine a group of black clad evil men crouched in a back room
> AT THIS VERY MINUTE with file folders containing allegations of abuse from
> the last 50 years, and each time a month goes by moves some of those folders
> into t
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Sam wrote:
> I wasn't complaining about collecting money for religion, you were.
The basis of this entire branch of the thread is that fewer people are
giving money to the church now, and that lawsuits are hurting the
church financially. It's been about money si
Sam,
Can you specifically explain how this Connecticut bill is intended to single
out The Church, and bankrupt it? (I don't get it)
Can you explain why only high-level Catholic bishops are against this bill?
(I don't get it)
Can you explain, really explain, why the Catholic Church is so obvious
all I am saying is that there are more teachers than priests. Not that
I am defending priests for shielding pedophiles. That's all.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> Um, ok. Not sure why you're arguing with me though. Sam tried to make it
> sound like it's fine that the CC is fig
The reason we're "singling out" the church, is because it's the church
that's opposing this bill. It's pretty specific.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> You missed my argument, it's not a defense of pedophiles, it's the
> singling out the church for the purpose of bankrupting i
I never knew any one watched her and I can't believe you would admit it :)
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote:
>> Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the
>> problem was. Point is we love to attack th
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
>
> I really have no idea, but if you'd like to hear about stealing money
> from people in the name of god I suspect you'd have a hard time
> getting to the bottom of that list. I'm sure there are plenty of
> examples that aren't relate
It's a start.
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Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:35 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: "It's all about the victims" - NOT. RCC continues to show its
colors
Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Sam wrote:
> Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the
> problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same
> thing or worse goes on nationwide in the schools it's a yawn.
Oh if you want to see someone passionate about the
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> Thank you for educating me.
You're welcome
> I said different. I didn't imply it was better. There is no "better" when
> we're talking about pedophiles Sam. You read between the lines when reading
> just the lines would serve you better.
You ca
You missed my argument, it's not a defense of pedophiles, it's the
singling out the church for the purpose of bankrupting it.
Let's spread the word about schools too so we can stop abuse instead
of just shutting down churches.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> Um, ok. Not sure w
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Sam wrote:
> The church has a school, my mom works for the church doing admissions
> for the school.
I have heard that alot of private schools are having problems right
now. Frankly, that has alot more to do with the economy than the sex
abuse scandals.
> Doesn
Thank you for educating me.
I said different. I didn't imply it was better. There is no "better" when
we're talking about pedophiles Sam. You read between the lines when reading
just the lines would serve you better.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:20
Until today I don't think anyone on this list knew how severe the
problem was. Point is we love to attack the church but if the same
thing or worse goes on nationwide in the schools it's a yawn. No
wonder superintendents don't care, no news is good news. Even if it
was exposed, suing the schools w
Um, ok. Not sure why you're arguing with me though. Sam tried to make it
sound like it's fine that the CC is fighting against an increased statute of
limitations on abuse because according to him, more teachers are pedo
douchebags than priests. I asked for a link to support his claim as I've
never
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> Wow, way to not respond to what I actually wrote.
I did and corrected you ill advised facts
> I mentioned highschool girls and you come at me about 9 year olds.
> I mentioned "little boys" and you come at me about 13 years olds.
> I mention a pr
ah, so you want a link saying more children report abuse by teachers
than by priests? Shrug, carry on then I guess, though the fact that
more children attend school than catholic churches makes me suspect it
may be the case. But I am not about to argue the point.
Bad is bad, in whatever numbers.
Well I would think they'd be accurate within the group of victims who have
spoken out. However they wouldn't necessarily reflect the overall number of
victims though.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> umm most statistics on sexual abuse are pretty unreliable aren't they?
>
> On M
umm most statistics on sexual abuse are pretty unreliable aren't they?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Medic wrote:
>
>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
>
> link?
>
>
>
~|
Want to reach the ColdFu
Yes.
I wonder how many school superintendents are arguing against legislation to
lengthening the statute of limitations.
I wonder if anyone thinks that lengthening those statutes would close every
school in the state?
You know, like the 3 main heads of the Catholic Church in Connecticut are
try
Wow, way to not respond to what I actually wrote.
I mentioned highschool girls and you come at me about 9 year olds.
I mentioned "little boys" and you come at me about 13 years olds.
I mention a priest diddling a little boy being different than a male teacher
getting involved with a highschool gi
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Sam wrote:
>> My mom does admissions for the school
>
> Oh I thought you'd said church.
The church has a school, my mom works for the church doing admissions
for the school.
>> Have you ever heard of
I actually didn't read it until now.
Unlike Jerry's claim that they're all abusers:
The bishops' letter raised concerns that the bill would allow claims
that are 70 years or older, in which "key individuals are deceased,
memories have been faded, and documents and other evidence have been
lost."
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Sam wrote:
> My mom does admissions for the school
Oh I thought you'd said church.
> Have you ever heard of charity?
> They are/where pretty good at it.
Definitely alot of great secular charities out there. Churches
certainly don't have any corner on that mark
Actually, if you scroll back up to the original message, you will see that
the point is the Catholic Church is fighting the removal of the statute of
limitations for sexual abuse charges.
Who the victims or abusers are is irrelevant to the charges. The proposal
will not remove the statute of limi
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Medic wrote:
>
> Ok, that link seems to indicate that the number of incidents with teachers
> are lower than that of priests. So, thanks for refuting your own claim.
No higher
> I also wonder how much of the incidents with teachers are males messing
> around wit
According to this:
http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
9.6 percent of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct
sometime during their school career.
According to this http://wapedia.mobi/en/John_Jay_Report
It's 4% of priests
or 10,667 children
Compare
My mom does admissions for the school
Have you ever heard of charity?
They are/where pretty good at it.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Sam wrote:
>> Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church
>> because of
Ok, that link seems to indicate that the number of incidents with teachers
are lower than that of priests. So, thanks for refuting your own claim.
I also wonder how much of the incidents with teachers are males messing
around with highschool girls. I somehow see this as slightly different than
a
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Sam wrote:
> Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church
> because of the scandal and the lack of donations due to the scandal
> and the economy. All churches are suffering.
Interesting. So church really is all about money? Shame they wou
That link worked for me.
iirc, the priest count was at about 4% over the last 50 years? (4.4K out of
110K)
this article has 2500 teachers over 5 years, which would extrapolate out to
25000 over 50 years (assuming no overlap). out of 3 million teachers current
active teachers (again, assuming no
I though msnbc was your most trusted news source after Comedy Central.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> And sam World News Daily isn't considered an adequate source.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>> bad link it just went to the front landin
Works for me. Google it:
AP: Sexual misconduct plagues U.S. schools
Survey finds 2,500 incidents over 5 years, across all types of districts
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> bad link it just went to the front landing page.
>
>
~~
http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I never claimed it was. it was just a quick and dirty survey.
>
> How about seriously answering the question instead of being a sarcastic jerk.
> Thing is same I alr
And sam World News Daily isn't considered an adequate source.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> bad link it just went to the front landing page.
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Sam wrote:
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/
>>
>> On Mon,
bad link it just went to the front landing page.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Medic wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
>>
>> link?
>
>
Between the payouts nationwide, the lack of people going of church
because of the scandal and the lack of donations due to the scandal
and the economy. All churches are suffering.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sam wrote:
>> My mo
anecdotal evidence - not worth the paper its written on.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sam wrote:
>> My mother works at a church and they just let half the staff go last
>> month. She says they're shutting down churches nationwide
I never claimed it was. it was just a quick and dirty survey.
How about seriously answering the question instead of being a sarcastic jerk.
Thing is same I already have multiple publications in peer reviewed
journals, all of which can be found on scholar.google.com. Lets see
how many you have...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21392345/ns/us_news-education/
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Medic wrote:
>
>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
>
> link?
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with
I think I have figured out where Sam got that from, its another
talking point put out by the right wing blogosphere. When I did a
search on his phrasing, the one that was first was newsmax, followed
by a number of very right wing blogs.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Isn't sexua
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Sam wrote:
> My mother works at a church and they just let half the staff go last
> month. She says they're shutting down churches nationwide. It's
> already happenin
Because of sex abuse scandals at her church? Yikes!
-Cameron
...
~~~
That was a very scientific experiment you just performed. Can I find
that published on scholars.google.com soon?
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> just do a google news search, you'll see that there are multiple
> accounts daily of ministers, pastors and other protestant
My point is if it happens in a school the press won't cover it and
there's no need for a cover-up.
Unless of course it's a young buy with woman teacher, then it makes the news.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> I do not get your reasoning here, what has sex abuse rates b
come on now asking Sam to produce supporting data. You ought
to know better - asking that makes you a hater
Actually I doubt that there is such a comparison out there.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Medic wrote:
>
>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
>
> link?
>
>
>
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Sam wrote:
>> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
>> Schools don't even get reported while churches across America are
>> shutting down.
>
> Sounds like we should encourage more
just do a google news search, you'll see that there are multiple
accounts daily of ministers, pastors and other protestant denomination
clerics who have been caught sexually abusing kids, mostly within the
fundimentalist wing of the various Christian churches. I suspect that
its at a higher rate t
I do not get your reasoning here, what has sex abuse rates by teachers
have anything to do with the active coverup by the Catholic church in
response to priests who have sexually abused children. You're making a
false comparison here.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Isn't sexual
> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
link?
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Sam wrote:
> Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
> Schools don't even get reported while churches across America are
> shutting down.
Sounds like we should encourage more school children to come forward.
> While the abuse and the cover-up
Isn't sexual abuse by teachers much higher than by priests?
Schools don't even get reported while churches across America are
shutting down.
While the abuse and the cover-ups are wrong and should be punished
severely, I don't think putting Christianity out of business is a
solution.
On Mon, Apr
The Church's response to this entire thing has been atrocious.
In my experience: Catholic's are terrific, Catholic churches are
terrificbut The Catholic Church (capital C's) is downright awful.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> So, they are looking to pass a bill in
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