RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Sam Morris
America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war. Most Arab nation still wouldn't have supported the war. -sm --- Jim Davis [EMAIL

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 10:31 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face America first and then the global community. If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war. Most Arab nation still

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Ken Ketsdever [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And we know this to be the case because you say so? -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Iraq did have the WMDs and nuclear weapons and we had even more proof then we had last year, France, Russia and Germany still would not have supported the war. Most Arab nation still wouldn't have supported the war. I had no idea you were on the UN

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Marlon Moyer
It's funny that I was accused of being able to read the mind of Bush on another thread by Sam, yet, he is able to prognisticate what half the world would do. :) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:40:10 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam Morris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Iraq did have the

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I believe by pointing this out you are now in violation of the Patriot Act. The next knock on your door will be Sam and the Feds. -Original Message- From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 11:58 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
, November 02, 2004 2:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face It's funny that I was accused of being able to read the mind of Bush on another thread by Sam, yet, he is able to prognisticate what half the world would do. :) On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:40:10 -0600, Gruss Gott [EMAIL

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Gruss Gott
Jim wrote: But it's a good bet that those countries, while being unable to challenge the action reasonably would have still failed to fully support it. The way I view the situation, they were ready to commit, but wanted to let the weapons inspectors finish. It seems to me that Mr. Bush

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-02 Thread Jim Davis
-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Jim wrote: But it's a good bet that those countries, while being unable to challenge the action reasonably would have still failed to fully support it. The way I view the situation, they were ready to commit, but wanted to let the weapons

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Spin. He said and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons Ok, but I think if edit the tapes right he also says that he want to hug Hussein. ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Ken Ketsdever
IF terrorism is what is on the minds of people and our number one terrorist threat for the past 3 years just popped up again after three years of failed attempts to track him down. How can people possibly vote for Bush. Bush has failed for the past three years. People are morons.

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread G
We shouldn't have to roughly predict. I agree with your assessment of Kerry, but why can't he spell it out as coherently? The second he uttered global test, he should of had his criteria readyundecided voters don't like roughly predicting. So you are right that his words are being spun out of

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Sam Morris
--- Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sentence clearly places the approval for action before world testament. We did it NOT we're going to do it (if you approve). The Republicans are painting the statement out of context and intimating Kerry suggested that the world community have

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face We shouldn't have to roughly predict. I agree with your assessment of Kerry, but why can't he spell it out as coherently? The second he uttered global test, he should of had his criteria readyundecided voters don't like roughly predicting. So you

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-11-01 Thread Jim Davis
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:44 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face --- Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sentence clearly places the approval for action before world testament. We did it NOT we're going to do it (if you approve

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
actually see very little difference between the candidates. Lots of hunting, lots of killing. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:52 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face I think

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
engagement without a long-term or exit strategy. Jim Davis -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 2:38 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face There's also the global approval comment and the only dying

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Andy Ousterhout
: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Andy wrote: just cause you back a paradigm that doesn't succeed doesn't make you a bad CEO. Most experiments fail. When you're diverting funds

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: There's also the global approval comment If you listen to or read the comment in context it's clear that Mr. Kerry used the term global as a synonym for all encompassing, not world wide. The idea that he didn't is a flat out lie and you should stop perpetuating it.

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
Andy wrote: I my original response was that his experience operating a boat in a war 30 years ago doesn't make him a better leader today. It should make it easier for him to relate to the troops, but this may be countered somewhat by his stand when he left the service. It's a fact that Mr.

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it but it won't work. --- Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sam wrote: There's also the global approval comment If you listen to or read the comment in context it's clear that Mr. Kerry used the term global as a synonym for all

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it but it won't work. No spin, here's the transcript: LEHRER: What is your position on the whole concept of preemptive war? KERRY: The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike. That was

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face I heard what he said clearly. You're trying to spin it but it won't work. How could the statement, in full context, mean

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
against that war. So what do you think he considers proof? --- Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:01 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face I heard what he said

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Sam Morris
Iraq shot at our planes everyday for years. On the eve of Clinton’s impeachment he bombs Iraq. I think Saddam might have laughed. As for Somalia, remember Black Hawk Down? Many believe that's what convinced Bin Laden that we were weak and could easily be attacked in our homeland. -sm --- Jim

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-31 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 1:19 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Spin. He said and you can prove to the world that you did it for legitimate reasons That sentence clearly places

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Then he should rejoin the military at a lower level. The Best CEO's are not those that know how to work the lathe. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Jim

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Gruss Gott
Andy wrote: Then he should rejoin the military at a lower level. The Best CEO's are not those that know how to work the lathe. What school did you get your MBA from? The best CEOs are the ones that know the business, understand that growth takes time and partnerships, and can manage at each

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread dana tierney
I fail to see why Bush would be the default choice. He has yet to catch the guy after all. But I agree, let us not give this asshole legitimacy. Dana On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 00:51:40 -0400, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Mr. Bush said it best today, Americans will not be intimidated

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread dana tierney
the truism I like is: nothing happens until somebody sells something. In other words, all those inconvenient nitty-gritty details like product *do* matter. Dana On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:51:30 -0500, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy wrote: Then he should rejoin the military at a lower

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Gruss, You've logic doesn't flow and none of it has anything to do with an MBA -- which is about as far away from the factory floor as you can get. Your first statement starts at the self-evident and moves quickly to fallacies. Growth doesn't always take time, but does take a market and

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-30 Thread Gruss Gott
Andy wrote: just cause you back a paradigm that doesn't succeed doesn't make you a bad CEO. Most experiments fail. When you're diverting funds and resources from fully supporting your bread and butter, it does make you a bad CEO. Exploring adjacencies is fine, just make sure your main line

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert wrote: Bin Laden has now showed his ugly face. it could be lights out for John Kerry. It could be, or it could remind people that Bin Laden is still at large. Either way I hope that nobody changes their mind due to this guy - if they do, and polls show it, it will be a victory for Bin

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Robert Munn
I think Mr. Bush said it best today, Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this. We should do nothing to indicate that Bin Laden has any influence in any way. Agreed. What I am suggesting is that the appearance of this

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
Robert wrote: But we have a few local issues in San Diego Do you do any biking? I've heard San Diego is great for it and supports biking to work, etc. I haven't been there in awhile though - any truth? ~| Purchase from House

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Jim Davis
shows his ugly face I think Mr. Bush said it best today, Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this. We should do nothing to indicate that Bin Laden has any influence in any way. Agreed. What I am suggesting

Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Gruss Gott
Jim wrote: As far as terrorism goes I actually see very little difference between the candidates. Lots of hunting, lots of killing. The difference is that Mr. Kerry has personally hunted and killed humans before, so he has a better instinct for what works and what doesn't.

RE: Bin Laden shows his ugly face

2004-10-29 Thread Jim Davis
, October 30, 2004 1:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bin Laden shows his ugly face Jim wrote: As far as terrorism goes I actually see very little difference between the candidates. Lots of hunting, lots of killing. The difference is that Mr. Kerry has personally hunted and killed humans