The part of the Palestinian population who wants peace are outnumbered by
the part who don't (and who have guns). The part who don't want peace are
the ones teaching the future generations of the part who wants peace.
I'm glad you think a simple public mandate will help, but it will not.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 07:26 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
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On 9/13/05, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure it is religion. I think it is just hate. Look
Brian wrote:
I just don't believe that. I think the number of palestinians who want peace
far outnumber the militant assholes.
That's my opinion as well, but until the Palestinians actually vote
we'll never know. I'm using the relative peace of the 90s as an
indicator.
The core issue is
On 9/14/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's needed is a person on the Palestinian side who wants peace enough to
stand up to those who don't.
And then to last more than a few days without getting shot.
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Weren't the Israeli's asked to demolish the synagogues themselves, but
decided against it at the last minute? At least, that's the story
I've heard. You could almost reason that the Israeli's set it up to
play out this way.
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want to
The Israeli army was going to on request of the Israeli government but there
was a strong push against it as a holy place is a holy place. Ask any religious
leader and they'll give the same answer.
There were official requests to the Palestinians to control their own people
(yeh, right) and
Were there bases and government buildings in gaza? I didn't think that there
were.
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Of course there were. Each town has it's own government buildings and
military positions and there were military locations as well.
Of course, after burning down the synagogues, they destroyed the hothouses
that international donors paid something like 18 million so that the
Palestinians could
isnt a temple just a building, when there are no longer any worshipers in
it?
i do belive in the sanctetity of a building, but with out the congregation
to inhabit the structure, it is as lifeless as a stone...
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What disturbs me most is not so much the destruction itself, but what it
demonstrates. This act highlights once again that the Palestinian cause has
become a cult of destruction and death. And as you say, the world sits by and
watches with no comment. Anyone who thinks that the Palestinians
So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
when the decedents are not 'local' anymore. Where's the line, if there is
one?
Point is, there is a recognition in religion that a holy site is
not to mention, that if i were a buddhist, and i took land from a
muslim, i wouldnt need the mosque any longer, i would build a temple?
right?
like, if i dont have my feet any longer, i wouldnt need my shoes.
tw
On 9/13/05, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
isnt a temple just a building,
I don't see it that way.
I think the world would cry out if Jews destroyed a mosque, because we
expect them to behave better than that. If possible. Just as we would
if Jews destroyed a church, or a temple or a synagogue. Or if Isrealis
destoyed a mosque, or if Christians destroyed a mosque. Or
Michael wrote:
I want to thank the Palestinians for showing the world that this is a war
against the Jews, not for land.
I know that, historically, I've been seen as being on the Palestinian
side. Really I'm on the can't we all just get along side, but
Michael has inspired me to do some
I miss your analogy.
But to use is, Israel didn't build a temple on Muslim land, quite the
opposite. Before there was Islam, the Temple was there. Jews were there.
Islam built their shrine on top of the Temple remains and guess what, the
Israeli government and the Jews of the world didn't tear
Don't Jews pray all the time at the wailing wall? Isn't that part of the
original temple?
Howie
--- On Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:59 PM, Michael Dinowitz scribed: ---
Jews are prohibited from praying on the Temple mound for
fear of upsetting Muslims.
Yes, I've seen many Jews blowing themselves up at pizza parlors killing
innocent Palestinian woman and children. I've seen many Jews launching daily
rocket attacks at Palestinian towns. There has been heinous 'terrorism' on
both sides.
Actually, as the above is totally false, please define the
They are allowed to pray outside the Temple area at the last remaining
piece, a retaining wall. They are not allowed into the Temple area and any
other remains are being destroyed in expansions to new mosques. All in name
of not upsetting Muslims. Of course, they don't even want us there and
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
when the decedents are not 'local' anymore. Where's the line, if there is
one?
May I
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On 9/13/05, Jaysen Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So lets see if I understand this correctly.
The Palestinians did not destroy government buildings or military bases.
Both of which they would need for the
do you hold it possible that it may be wholly impossible for this
situation to EVER work out? and that the palestinians are S
backwards that they are wholly unable to act in any way other than
they are now?
tony
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They are allowed to pray
WOW!
i couldnt have said EVERY statement ANY better than you just have.
thank you.
tony
On 9/13/05, Jaysen Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So lets see if I understand this correctly.
The Palestinians did not destroy government buildings or military bases.
Both of which they would need for the
Ah, but if you read many news reports, the message they are giving is that
the destruction is in response to the Israeli 'occupation'. If so, then they
would be destroying signs of the Israeli government. They are not.
If Israel destroyed all the 'unused' mosques in Israel, there would be war.
Raising hand
I agree!
Raymond Camden wrote:
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be torn
down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the bodies
when the decedents are not 'local'
stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
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From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 02:20 pm
To: CF-Community
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No Jew is about to start a war over this. Life over all else is our motto.
On 9/13/05, Michael Dinowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So your supporting that any church, mosque, synagogue, etc. should be
torn
down when the people are gone? What of grave yards? Why not move the
bodies
when the
Why were the synagogues destroyed again?
What was the motive for the destruction of these churches?
You are claiming it is just a civil engineering task.
Then why weren't there civil engineers on hand? What are the plans for
that space? What is going up in their place? Were the foundations
useful
But the heart still mourns the place where their heart dwelled.
The heart of faith is in the person not the building...
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on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
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From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 02:31 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
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But the heart
Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born
the Scottish Rogues
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 02:37 pm
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As we have for thousands of years.
This is true, but faith will carries on.
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You are right. Israel has made concessions and tried for peace. But how
much of that was during Arafat's leadership of the Palestinians? Arafat
would say one thing and do another. I think we have to move forward under a
new banner, a banner of trust until there is proof that trust will not
Michael,
In your opinion is there any way out of this? Is there anyone on the
Palestinian side that could offer a true peace proposal, some thing that would
really work?
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I have a sneaking sensation the the origional temple will be rebuilt.
probably withing the next 8 years or so..
just a hunch..
now if i could invest in some red heffers i would be set!
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Is there anyone now? I doubt it because it would involve making decisions
that would not be supported by the current educational and governmental
frameworks. If someone got up and said:
Screw Israel. We're going to show them we're better by remaking Gaza into
the gem of the world. We'll show
Abbas praised the martyrs who made the disengagement possible. He's praising
the suicidal murderers as the people who made Israel leave Gaza. Nothing
about peace talks, nothing about Israel's desire for peace. He praised
killers and then said the Jerusalem is next. He's not off to a good start
Not quite mike. That mosque was destroyed by hindu extremists. The
massive orgies of death happened before its destruction, and were by
the HJP (radical right wing Hindu nationalist party). The moslems in
that part of India were the ones being killed not the other way
around.
A bit of
There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
in relations to that shrine.
Did you forget the burning of the train?
On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not quite mike. That mosque was destroyed by hindu extremists. The
massive orgies of death happened
Yes but in comparison, the vast majority of the killings were done by
followers of the VJPP and its allies.
larry
On 9/13/05, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
in relations to that shrine.
Did you forget the burning
Agreed. But torching a trainload of pilgrims can never be excused by
they did worse.
On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes but in comparison, the vast majority of the killings were done by
followers of the VJPP and its allies.
I was mixing memory of the more recent Marad incident with the older Gujrat
one. The Gujrat massacre started in '89 with a desire to build a Hindu
temple where a Mosque now stands. The massacre and violence that came from
it was massive in scope and well showcases why holy sites should be left
The train massacre can be seen as a continuation of the base issue with the
temple and massacres that came from it.
There was massive killings by both sides (Hindu and Muslim) recently
in relations to that shrine.
Did you forget the burning of the train?
On 9/13/05, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL
Exactly.
Tearing down a building for a purpose is one thing. But Desecrating a
religious site is a hateful thing.
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From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:29 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
But how do you get a compromise in an are where there is hatred of this
kind?
Nobody wants the Palestinians, they have land, they could create a country
if they wanted to, but they won't, they want somebody else to create a
country for them.
The vocal and violent groups of the area aren't
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Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
Why were the synagogues destroyed again?
What was the motive for the destruction of these churches?
You are claiming it is just a civil engineering task.
Then why weren't there civil engineers on hand? What are the plans
I think that one aspect of the situation is who is left in the Gaza
and the west bank. Those who could get out, and had the wherewithall
to do such, left years ago. Those who are left, they're similar to the
gang members who were looting the walmarts and other stores in New
Orleans.
On 9/13/05,
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I view many of the problems this country has not so much on Mr. Bush,
but on the people that elect him. In the same way the Palestinians
are/were horribly led. Who's to blame? Them of course. (although
some would argue they're far from a safe
PM
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Subject: Re: I want to thank the Palestinians
but they hate. so its to be expected isnt it?
i mean, is this a surprise to anyone?
really?
would be surprised if osama blew up a few more buildings, or got the
permits to remove them and make sure he wasnt violating
Cameron wrote:
After a few generations of this, you get people who really don't
understand or care about the initial reasoning behind the hate because
so many other things have happened a a result of the feud that there's
a whole new set of reasons to hate, independent of the initial
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If they don't, or if the vote is less than 50%, or if there is
unprotested violence, there should be global sanctions.
In short, ask the public for a mandate and them to account for their choice
Then it's not really a choice if they have
Cam wrote:
Then it's not really a choice if they have sanctions for choosing
violence. I don't advocate violence, just pointing out that it's not
really a choice.
I don't understand your point. I'm saying that if 50+% of the
population support violence then their aid should be 100% cutoff
That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't relieve the Palestinians of their
responsibilities under international law.
Living next to Osama. That is exactly what having the Palestinians on the
border is like for Israel. Imagine that here in the U.S.
Look at this little Mexican town, Nuevo
On 9/13/05, Gruss Gott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Cam wrote:
Then it's not really a choice if they have sanctions for choosing
violence. I don't advocate violence, just pointing out that it's not
really a choice.
I don't understand your point. I'm saying that if 50+% of the
i guess i give up too early in the face of futility. they are never
going to change
they do not want to, nor do they care to be recognized as a people who welcome
peace, and love and happiness in the name of anything but their fanaticism aka
islam. it just doesnt seem feasible that it will ever
I am not sure it is religion. I think it is just hate. Look at what is going
on in Belfast. The groups are called Protestant and Catholic but what is
going on there right now is not religious. It's simple anger at being unable
to grind people's noses in an injustice. But oh, I forgot... the
On 9/13/05, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not sure it is religion. I think it is just hate. Look at what is going
on in Belfast. The groups are called Protestant and Catholic but what is
going on there right now is not religious. It's simple anger at being unable
to grind people's noses
The part of the Palestinian population who wants peace are outnumbered by
the part who don't (and who have guns). The part who don't want peace are
the ones teaching the future generations of the part who wants peace.
I'm glad you think a simple public mandate will help, but it will not. This
And how is aid from Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UN and/or anyone else going to
be cut off? The UN has 2 agencies who deal with refugees. One for the
Palestinians and one for every other group in the world. Do you really see
that agency stopping any time soon? I don't think so.
The solution will not
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