On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:45:12 -0400, Judith Dinowitz wrote:
> And that's (potentially) the start of a bigger problem -- the systematic
> demonization of Jews, starting with the demonization of Israel.
So do you feel that people who disagree, vehemently perhaps, with the
methods of the government
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> Same here. I've never noticed any anti-semetism around here, or during
> my time at George Washington University in the District.
>
> larry
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>
> On Thu, 28
> Kevin wrote:
> I will mention that the Jewish student groups are extremely active
> here in heartland USA.
A jewish relative was a doctor and professor in Chicago and his recent
funeral was apparently one of the largest attended in Chicago's
history.
~~~
Same here. I've never noticed any anti-semetism around here, or during
my time at George Washington University in the District.
larry
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 13:10:06 -0500, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I work on a college campus. I don't see any overt anti-semitism here.
> Could it hap
I work on a college campus. I don't see any overt anti-semitism here.
Could it happen in a limited way? Sure, but we've got SO many opinions
here on every issue that pretty much the entire spectrum is covered.
I will mention that the Jewish student groups are extremely active
here in heartland USA
> Judith wrote:
> We are coming to a time when it is becoming intellectually accepted to be an
> anti-semite on college campuses, and that is dangerous.
I don't think we are, although I would agree that anti-semitism is up.
But I would add that I think anti-everything is up. For example,
anti-f
Regards,
Howie
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> Ah, but when did you go to college? This is a
Ah, but when did you go to college? This is a relatively new trend. Just this morning
there was a news piece about problems that some students of Columbia have been having
with a teacher who was spouting anti-semitism in class.
What I'm saying is that we are coming to a time when it is becoming
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> > For what it's worth I've never been exposed to anti-semitism while at a
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> Actually, it sickens me but yes, it is true. Europe is falling into the
trap of this growing anti-Semitism, and it's only getting worse. The
anti-Semitism here in America is mu
Of course you can disagree. But if you say to pull out
all money and support then the motive becomes
questionable. Still doesn't confirm anti-Semitism, but
raises a flag.
-sm
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> I know a lot of people who think the United States
> gives way too much
> economic aid
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> For what it's worth I've never been exposed to anti-semitism while at a
college campus. I'd imagine that t
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> Actually, it sickens me but yes, it is true. Europe is falling into the trap of this
> growing anti-Semiti
How do you reconcile it though with the numerous jewish sites citing
Kerry's consistent pro-Israel voting record? His campaign even
specifically removed and has put a stop to people using his site's
forums for anti-semitic rants.
And I personally see a difference between a strong political
secular
Actually, it sickens me but yes, it is true. Europe is falling into the trap of this
growing anti-Semitism, and it's only getting worse. The anti-Semitism here in America
is much less open normally, except on college campuses where it's extremely open. It's
almost in -- where you're part of the
Yes it is. Unfortunately, it's also mostly true. :(
> Wow, that's a hate filled screed.
>
>
> -Kevin
>
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Interesting article here about the Jewish vote.
> >
> >
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Artic
Wow, that's a hate filled screed.
-Kevin
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting article here about the Jewish vote.
>
> http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/833ifcua.asp
Interesting article here about the Jewish vote.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/833ifcua.asp
I kind of think it's more to do with being the
creators of charity makes them want to vote for the so
called party that helps out the less fortunate.
That is as long as
Then it's not the one I'm referring to. I'd say I'll find it, but I
probably won't. The 3 or 4 that I read about all specifically showed
a 50% increase in negative views of America.
BTW - I'm not sneaking anything in. You're a bit paranoid aren't you?
Well, I suppose you wouldn't be so paranoi
Nope again. A few weeks ago you mentioned this poll
and I looked it up. I posted the fact that it was
taken a few months before the war. You forgot to
respond. Now your trying to sneak it in again.
Try again.
-sm
--- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > It was like that bef
the guy helping my daughter get that mailing out for Kerry this
morning said his wife teaches at a Jewish day school... fwiw
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:55:57 -0500, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:26 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> > Fact: Judith and I hate Bus
> Sam wrote:
> It was like that before the Iraq war.
Nope - between 9/11 and Feb 2003 it was about 40% and jumped over 50%
after the war. This was a poll in association with the Economist, but
there were 2 other that agreed almost to the number with it. I can't
remember the sources, but one was
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>>> Fact: Europe sides with the Arabs on most things. It's in their best
>>> interest.
>>
>> Why would that be in their best interest?
>
> Trade, resources, former colonies, large population influx, take your
> pick.
No, I am asking you to conv
It was like that at the turn of the century. The last century.
> > > It is based on polls I've read that said 90% of
> > people in middle east
> > > countries have a negative or very negative view of
> > the United States
> > > compared with 70% in Europe and 65% in Asia.
> > 90% of the people in
> > It is based on polls I've read that said 90% of
> people in middle east
> > countries have a negative or very negative view of
> the United States
> > compared with 70% in Europe and 65% in Asia.
> 90% of the people in the middle east have a negative
> view on America,
> Israel, Jews, Christian
> It is based on polls I've read that said 90% of people in middle east
> countries have a negative or very negative view of the United States
> compared with 70% in Europe and 65% in Asia.
90% of the people in the middle east have a negative view on America,
Israel, Jews, Christians, Europeans, Wh
> Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> > Fact: Europe sides with the Arabs on most things. It's in their best
> > interest.
>
> Why would that be in their best interest?
Trade, resources, former colonies, large population influx, take your pick.
> > Fact: When Israel went into Gaza to remove terrorists wh
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> Fact: Europe sides with the Arabs on most things. It's in their best
> interest.
Why would that be in their best interest?
> Fact: When Israel went into Gaza to remove terrorists who were launching
> rockets into Israeli towns, the UN resolution (supported overwhelmingl
G wrote:
> Why would Germany, or any other country that opposes the war in Iraq,
> suddenly decide to send troops there should Kerry replace Bush?
They won't, replacing one American with another one won't do that. Substantial changes
to the balance of power in Iraq, i.e. the US relinquishing its
> Brian wrote:
> Let's say, then, that Kerry wins the election, and suddenly these countries
> see a chance to share in the potential profits from Iraq based upon Kerry's
> "bring in our allies promise", a euphemism for buying back friends (after
> all, thats what politics is). Will the governments
> Sam wrote:
> Then why did he falsely claim many world leaders told
> him they wanted him to win?
Falsely? I wouldn't make that assumption. See my other post.
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> Michael wrote:
> Broad words with nothing backing it up. Bush might not be loved but despised
> is not the word to use, especially when accusing the entire world of it.
Yes, you're right, despised is too harsh of a word.
It is based on polls I've read that said 90% of people in middle east
coun
Manipulating the public into doing/feeling the way you do is a staple of
politics. If the people of France were with America after 9/11 and would
have invaded Iraq, all that's needed is the French president going against
it and his influence on the people to turn things around.
> That's interesti
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> > Michael wrote:
> > Not based on nothing.
>
> Is Palestine considered a soverign country in the UN? (I think there
>
> Michael wrote:
> Not based on nothing.
Is Palestine considered a soverign country in the UN? (I think there
is a UN rep, but no membership) Doesn't that mean that the UN can't
condemn them? For example, the UN can't condemn Chechen or Kurdish
rebels, nor Columbian drug lords.
They could, how
mprised of Orthodox jews?
>
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That's what we feel but we can't vote cthulhu.
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Fact: Judith and I hate Bush but we're voting for him.
>
> Ugh.
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What percentage of the approximate 4% of the US population that is Jewish,
is comprised of Orthodox jews?
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But that is down significantly. Bush has made significant in-roads in
traditional Democratic voting blocks - women, people of color, and Jews. If
this isn't reversed by election time, Kerry is toast.
Andy
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> Fact: Judith and I hate Bush but we're vo
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Fact: Judith and I hate Bush but we're voting for him.
Ugh.
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Because Jews traditionally vote Dem, at least the ones that are polled. In
truth, the polling of Jews is rairly the Orthodox.
> On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:26 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> > Fact: Judith and I hate Bush but we're voting for him.
>
> Interesting. Most of the polls I've read
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:02:26 -0400, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> Fact: Judith and I hate Bush but we're voting for him.
Interesting. Most of the polls I've read have US Jews supporting Kerry
by about 60%. And several Jewish organization web sites I've seen have
cited Kerry's pro-Israel voting in Co
That's interesting.
I think the democratically elected leaders of any country are actually only
interested in one thing: getting re-elected. How do you do that? You cater
to the majority of your citizens...not always a bad thing, as you are
primarily in place to execute on behalf of the majority o
Wait, wait, wait. America's isolation? What? Huh? Is that supposed to
be a joke? Bush takes us into two foreign wars and they're calling it
isolation? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
-Kevin
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:34:55 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris
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> He really does want to end Americ
--- Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mr Kerry isn't talking because it's not politically
> expedient to say
> that the world despises Mr. Bush and is counting the
> days to his
> removal.
Then why did he falsely claim many world leaders told
him they wanted him to win?
> For example, Germa
The answer is money and power. Germany and France will gladly join in on
Iraq if they have an equal share in how the country is developed and
profited from.
> Why would Germany, or any other country that opposes the war in Iraq,
> suddenly decide to send troops there should Kerry replace Bush?
>
> Mr Kerry isn't talking because it's not politically expedient to say
> that the world despises Mr. Bush and is counting the days to his
> removal.
Broad words with nothing backing it up. Bush might not be loved but despised
is not the word to use, especially when accusing the entire world of it.
From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Sam wrote:
> > Sacrificing Israel
>
> Mr Kerry isn't talking because i
> Sam wrote:
> Sacrificing Israel
Mr Kerry isn't talking because it's not politically expedient to say
that the world despises Mr. Bush and is counting the days to his
removal.
For example, Germany's defense minister recently said that Germany
would consider sending troops to Iraq if there were "
Not based on nothing.
Fact: Europe sides with the Arabs on most things. It's in their best
interest.
Fact: The UN sides against Israel in most (every) thing and it's usually the
American veto that saves it from one sided resolutions.
Fact: When Israel went into Gaza to remove terrorists who were l
Holy crap - that's some extrapolation. This guy should win an award for fantasy based
on nothing.
Sheesh...
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