> Never happen. The tobacco and alcohol lobbies (drugs that they are) want to have
> the market all to themselves. Even if there was a law allowing certain narcotics
> and controlling their use, it may not solve much of the crime.
>
I believe it would reduce the murder rate in DC by at LEAST half.
::blinks:: Bill was in Lorton? Evil place.
Dana
Haggerty, Mike writes:
> Too bad they didn't have this in place when you did that stint in
> Lorton, Bill.
>
> Are you still walking crooked?
>
> M
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Fri
Yea, I noticed the tongue-in-cheekness of it...
I realize I'm an idealist ... I just think that the only
reason people commit crime is because there's incentive to
... I'm sure similar thoughts go through the mind of
corporate executives committing fraud as through petty
burgalars and car theives.
nt: Friday, September 05, 2003 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
| Amnesty International (not sure about American Amnesty) has a standing
| argument with Texas (along with other states and the federal government)
| for its use of the death penalty.
|
| - Jim
|
| Angel Stewart
That overwhelming evidence, even, can be less than clear-cut. What was
overwhelming evidence a handful of years ago is blown away by DNA
testing, resulting in a surprising number of people released from jail
after tests are done, sometimes more than 10-15 years after that person
was found guil
> 1. Make drugs legal. This would deal with the vast majority of the
> "non-violent" offenders we have in prisons, it would also lessen the
> violence associated with the drug trade. It's time to end this ridiculous
> prohibition like we did the one in the 20s.
Never happen. The tobacco and alco
Airborne
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:45 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
Let me restate myself. Death is a proper punishment for those where the case
is
clear cut. There are
Let me restate myself. Death is a proper punishment for those where the case is
clear cut. There are many cases where the case has overwhelming evidence. Make
sure it's rock solid and then use that rope.
> In the cases you mentioned, I see no problem with hanging. There are some
crimes
> which sh
In the cases you mentioned, I see no problem with hanging. There are some crimes
which should result in death. The two you mentioned fall well within my
definitions of who deserves it.
Some crimes deserve death and some crimes deserve rehabilitation. The trick is
to know which crimes deserve which
Amnesty International (not sure about American Amnesty) has a standing
argument with Texas (along with other states and the federal government)
for its use of the death penalty.
- Jim
Angel Stewart wrote:
>They hang people in Trinidad.
>
>But we have come under continuous attack by Amnesty Int
They hang people in Trinidad.
But we have come under continuous attack by Amnesty International And
American Amnesty I believe, that tis become nearly impossible to carry
out our own laws :(
We hung 6 people all at once in one year for a heinous drug related
crime, one of them was a multimilliona
Jerry
Look up the book Panopticon by Jeremy Bentham. He was an 18th century
philosopher who came up with the concept of modern prisons. The basic
promise has always been rehabilitation.
>At 02:30 PM 9/5/2003, you wrote:
>What promises of rehabilitation? Who made that promise?
>
>I don't buy it
Reload the
ammo :)
Tim
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From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:04 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
At 02:22 PM 9/5/2003, you wrote:
>Rehabilitation is a thing of the past.
>
>Prison
> I can't find the statistics right now (you know, when they would be
useful), but I remember that 98 percent of crime is committed by someone who
has already been through the "justice" system for previous crimes.
I'm no statistician, but that strikes me as odd. In order for someone to
commit a se
At 02:22 PM 9/5/2003, you wrote:
>Rehabilitation is a thing of the past.
>
>Prisons are purely warehousing operations now, and impose rudimentary
>"treatment" programs for drug offenders once paroled, but not much else.
>
>The old days of getting a free high school /GED and college educations
>whi
mber 05, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
>
>
> I don't think I support this law. One of the great deterrents
> against people going back out and committing crimes again is
> prison rape. In addition, because it'
a more complex issue than the discussion seems to
be painting it.
Jim Davis
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:46 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
>
> I
What promises of rehabilitation? Who made that promise?
I don't buy it. My personal view is that _most_ people in prison are there from
personal choices, and are not going to change their ways.
Recidavism is something like 85 percent. That means that 85 percent of people getting
out of jail are
If the punishment fit the crime then murderers would be killed and rapists
castrated. The US system is a representative one where a crime is translated
into jail time. Supposable, this is to rehabilitate the criminal, but its really
just to put them away from society for a period.
If our jails were
That's because of a few things. They learn better crime techniques and if
they're caught, they know they have free room, board, training, medical, etc.
There was a criminal in California who got a heart transplant because he was
'entitled' to it by prison medical. Our prison system is just warehous
done!
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From: "S.Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination Act
| I've heard that statistically people who've
Now if only guilty people that deserved to be raped were sent to prison.
-Kevin
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From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: PREA - PRison
I see where you are coming from, but the punishment should fit the
crime as well. I don't think as a society we should be scarring a
person for life for shoplifting either.
--
jon
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Friday, September 5, 2003, 12:46:23 PM, you wrote:
MD> I don't think I support this law.
I've heard that statistically people who've been to prison
are more likely to commit crime rather than being less
likely after having the experience of being in prison...
Personally -- if this is true -- I'd rather see some effort
toward making the prison system live up to promises of
rehabilitatio
I don't think I support this law. One of the great deterrents against people
going back out and committing crimes again is prison rape. In addition, because
it's so widely known, it's even a deterrent before someone commits a crime in
the first place. If you knew that you'd be the sex toy of some 4
Too bad they didn't have this in place when you did that stint in
Lorton, Bill.
Are you still walking crooked?
M
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:21 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: PREA - PRison Rape Elimination
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