> MoJo wrote:
> Why oh why would anyone think that having healthcare should depend on your
> level of wealth?
Because it does, and you don't understand that, I'll detail them for you:
(1.) If a person, or a country, can't afford to pay for health care
they don't get it (that where the US is he
Interesting thing about Walmart is their relationships with their
suppliers. This is based on an interesting series of articles NPR had
on a cuple of years ago. Walmart will negotiate an excellent price
with a supplier for a year. Then during the next year's they'll tell
the supplier to reduce the
> Take healthcare. If the government gets involved can you imagine the
> ongoing political outrage that's going to be happening for the next
> eon?
It is *hardly* the same thing. The vast majority of other capitalist countries
still have government-run healthcare. There's a little more logic w
> MoJo wrote:
> we have someone that says capitalism and consumerism is bad, bad, bad. No
> good comes of it at all.
But it's just like with healthcare. Here's the horrific logic:
A.) There are all kinds of events generating emotional reactions.
B.) These events are caused because government
>Lets get this straight, I called her patronizing, Sam posted the links
>to the 'rebuttal' videos.
I got a kick out of watching both of these. On one side, we have someone that
says capitalism and consumerism is bad, bad, bad. No good comes of it at all.
On the other side, capitalism and consum
I have had the exact opposite experience with Walmart. The clothes,
shoes, linens, and appliances that I purchased there have lasted much
longer than items purchased for more money from other vendors.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> As a quick example, Wal-Mart.
>
> Every
> Larry wrote:
>
> Um do you mind not talking in word salad? In other words string please
> your words together with semantical meaning and contextual inference
> so us mere mortals may understand.
>
Sure!
Companies design product to meet a price point and, in general, the
lower the price point
Um do you mind not talking in word salad? In other words string please
your words together with semantical meaning and contextual inference
so us mere mortals may understand.
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Cam wrote:
>> How would you prefer price be set for an item? Is
> Cam wrote:
> How would you prefer price be set for an item? Is free markets are
> broken, and corporations are taking advantage of you, then who sets
> the price? Government?
>
This foolish woman is dragging all of us with her.
How can any minimally sophisticated person not get the
mean-time
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Vivec wrote:
> That's the point that these groups are trying to bring across, the
> reason the tire does not last longer is simply Greed.
How would you prefer price be set for an item? Is free markets are
broken, and corporations are taking advantage of you, th
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Vivec wrote:
> The concept here is that if I do absolutely nothing with all the
> materials needed to make a Tire, the tire costs me 30 dollars to make,
> and will last 10 years.
If you do nothing with all the materials required to make the tire,
you will be driv
ell with the cheaper
tires.
Business, especially in the automotive market is a very weird thing.
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:06 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The Story of Stuff - Our Consumer based economy, the third
world,
Again, you're missing the point.
You have the false assumption that the cost to produce the tire and
sell it at 50USD is higher than the cost to produce the tire that
lasts 8 years.
For the concept that we are referring to with planned obsolescence : It isn't.
There is no additional cost to the
In a way you only have yourself to blame. People do not want to spend
the extra money. Most companies are only following the dictates of
their customers.
That said, what would you rather spend, $50 for a new tire each year
or $300 for a tire that lasts 8 years. Most people would see $50 as
being
Why would so many industrial designers document and explain how to
design products so that they definitely fail after a specific time?
The concept here is that if I do absolutely nothing with all the
materials needed to make a Tire, the tire costs me 30 dollars to make,
and will last 10 years.
H
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> I do get her core point. We aren't living sustainable lives. I can
> agree with that. But her demonetization of corporations and owning
> "things" is misplaced and taints her core arguments with a stink that
> makes me skeptical of ev
> Cam wrote:
> Planned Obsolescence? Sure that's real.
The whole concept shows a complete ignorance of economics. Products
are made to sell to a price point, and the lower the price point, the
faster "mean time to failure" a product in going to have (in general).
Take tires.
I could've bought
> Scott wrote:
> I sat through some more of this and she is all over the place with her
> political commentary. My favorite is 'Extraction' == 'natural resource
> exploitation'? Liberal extremist bullshit.
>
This lady has the same problem as 'public option' people and Iraq War
supporters: thinkin
On Nov 20, 2009, at 1:54 PM, Vivec wrote:
> You guys are really hung up on that example of computers.
Okay - I will bite with a nice long reply, which isn't so common for me anymore.
I am not really hung up on it just for the fun of it. When I see a
presentation giving facts and figures about
How come you never replied to my Global Warming post?
Realized how silly your point was so turned to insults in a different thread?
How come you're not making any points on this threads, just making digs.
Focus Larry.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> Insulti
So now we get to make up our own definitions (which I guess was the
point of that video anyway)?
I will stick with this one: 'Instilling in the buyer the desire to own
something a little newer, a little better, a little sooner than is
necessary.' which to me is just capitalism at work.
I think e
Sam,
Insulting you is like taking potshots at a barn from 6 inches away.
Its too easy and a rather useless exercise.
But read what you write. When it comes to Limbaugh and now Beck you
sound like an extreme fanboi, even worse than those who gush over PHP
or the latest technology du jour.
On Fri
life.
If planned obsolescence didn't exist they would be no parts and repair
market.
-Original Message-
From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 1:55 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: The Story of Stuff - Our Consumer based economy, the third
worl
I mean what do YOU think of Planned Obsolescence...not what someone else thinks.
What is your definition, and what do you think of it?
2009/11/20 Scott Stroz :
>
> Her made up definition, or the one used by Stevens?
>
> You want a car that is gonna last you 100 years, I am sure someone
> will bui
Bah, you know as well as anyone that it's damn near impossible to not have a
computer. Especially considering we're all I.T. professionals. I hate the
price of gas too, but I'm not going to ride my bike 35km in the winter to
'vote with my wallet.' Using a computer and bitching about planned
obsole
Her made up definition, or the one used by Stevens?
You want a car that is gonna last you 100 years, I am sure someone
will build it for you if you pay enough money.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> You guys are really hung up on that example of computers.
> What do you think o
Well get started then.
I'll read it Monday...maybe
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> You want a list? It may take me all day to type it up, but in a
> nutshell US history proves you're wrong, starting with the first
> Cherokee treaty and continuing on to more recent time
er can't say, that is
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Dana wrote:
> ok... you wanna play clown its ok with me but I can say I see the point.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote:
>
>>
>> Then my job is done
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Dana wrote:
>> >
>> > I am ho
Here come the insults. Welcome to the thread Larry.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
>
> shilling for his new hero perhaps.
>
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them k
ok... you wanna play clown its ok with me but I can say I see the point.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Then my job is done
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Dana wrote:
> >
> > I am however laughing my ass off
>
>
~~
Then my job is done
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> I am however laughing my ass off
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know
on the House of Fusion mailing lists
Arch
You want a list? It may take me all day to type it up, but in a
nutshell US history proves you're wrong, starting with the first
Cherokee treaty and continuing on to more recent times.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Not sure about your country but mine generally doesn't go arou
You guys are really hung up on that example of computers.
What do you think of Planned Obsolescence itself?
2009/11/20 Scott Stroz :
>
> Funny, you bitch about 'planned obsolescence' yet you have to be using
> a computer in order to post here, just like they used computers to
> make that
~~~
shilling for his new hero perhaps.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> That transcript from Beck doesn't say anything.
>
> It doesn't say whether he agrees, what he agrees with...or if he
> Disagrees...or what he agrees with.
> It doesn't point out any of the concepts that were pu
Someone explain to me how, after wondering what happened to her iPod
when she threw it out, she could travel the world for 10 years looking
for answers when the iPod as only introduced 8 years ago?
I can;t stand listening to her anymore and its not just the content
being presented, but the presen
i dont have an opinion on the piece. I can't hear it and I don't have time
to watch it anyway. I am however laughing my ass off at the statement "my
country doesn't just take stuff."
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> So you can't here it yet you seem to be supporting it because i
Funny, you bitch about 'planned obsolescence' yet you have to be using
a computer in order to post here, just like they used computers to
make that video.
I guess they (and you) are not as concerned about it, or else you
would 'vote with your wallet' and not buy a computer..
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> If only I could have updated the CPU, I would be surfing the net with
> my Commodore 64 computer.
As we all know it's shaped like a puzzle piece and that is the ONLY
THING that EVER changes, so yes, you should be asking yourself why
"the man"
If only I could have updated the CPU, I would be surfing the net with
my Commodore 64 computer.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> It's simplified, but its meant to introduce concepts.
>
> Computers are made to be obsolete. There have been several instances
> where manufacturers h
She's not slamming computers at all.
Scott, what example would *YOU* use for Planned Obsolescence?
You're not arguing that it's real and an integral part of industrial
design, so what example would you use?
2009/11/20 Scott Stroz :
>
> And I love how she slams computers, yet it would seem that
I wonder how many resources she used when she 'traveled the world' for
10 years researching this problem.
I sat through some more of this and she is all over the place with her
political commentary. My favorite is 'Extraction' == 'natural resource
exploitation'? Liberal extremist bullshit.
And I
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Isn't this exactly the Planned Obsolescence and Perceived obsolescence
> that The Story of Stuff refers to?
You'd keep an older computer and stick a new CPU in it if it would
only fit in the slot? You honestly can tell me that you don't look at
an
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Sam, listening to this further the Narrator doesn't exactly disagree
> with everything that is said.
>
> His argument is that you have to break some eggs to make an omelette.
>
> Did you listen to this at all?
No. Don't really have interest in it
It's simplified, but its meant to introduce concepts.
Computers are made to be obsolete. There have been several instances
where manufacturers have chosen to create a new connector instead of
using a standardised connector to force people to buy new cords for
devices.
Sony has taken a lot of flac
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Vivec wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Someone sent me this link, and while having lunch I decided to visit it.
There is also a link to "10 Little and Big Things You Can Do" to
change things... I think they are all valid. Participating, voting
with your wallet, and voting
Sam, listening to this further the Narrator doesn't exactly disagree
with everything that is said.
His argument is that you have to break some eggs to make an omelette.
Did you listen to this at all?
He's saying YES the people at the retail chains aren't paid very well,
but that's because there
A very slanted and black and white presentation of an issue that's
much more complex.
Around the 13th minute she claims that computers are designed to be
obsolete in a few years and says that she opened a computer to see
what's inside and why. She claims that "only one little part changes
each t
Lets get this straight, I called her patronizing, Sam posted the links
to the 'rebuttal' videos.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Well you know, the video is 20 minutes long and introduces and touches
> on several concepts.
> Just one of these segments debunking 5 minutes of The
Nope, you where right on que.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> I tend to miss my cue when it's spelled wrong.
>
> If you're talking about United Fruit, well that's just history so if you
> dispute history what's your basis for saying your country doesn't generally
> do (what
Well you know, the video is 20 minutes long and introduces and touches
on several concepts.
Just one of these segments debunking 5 minutes of The Story of Stuff
video is about 20 minutes long lol :-)
So this guy goes into a lot more detail.
However, take Part 2.
You talk about patronising, but
So you can't here it yet you seem to be supporting it because it
pisses off most Americans.
Figures
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> I think he feels entitled.
>
> ::shrug::
>
> I don't have sound here so I can't judge the delivery but you hand to know
> it was pretty much pre-o
I tend to miss my cue when it's spelled wrong.
If you're talking about United Fruit, well that's just history so if you
dispute history what's your basis for saying your country doesn't generally
do (whatever)? We *are* talking about the United States here, right? Anyone
ever mention Manifest
I think he feels entitled.
::shrug::
I don't have sound here so I can't judge the delivery but you hand to know
it was pretty much pre-ordained to meet with outrage, right?
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So, being intelligent and getting past the method of presentation
> "t
Not sure about your country but mine generally doesn't go around and
just take things.
Que Dana for her South American Banana exploit post...
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> So, being intelligent and getting past the method of presentation
> "take things thinking its ours",
I can't watch it again to critic it so I'll point you to someone willing:
http://www.americasright.com/2009/09/story-of-stuff-critique.html
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Stopped it at about 7 minutes. I can't get past her patronizing,
> Kindergarten Teacher-like pres
So, being intelligent and getting past the method of presentation
"take things thinking its ours",
You are arguing that developed nations exploit the resources of the third world?
2009/11/20 Sam :
>
>
~|
Want to reach the ColdF
It's taught in our schools and comes with a quiz.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,554481,00.html
You read this and can't tell what he thinks?
BECK: Here's my favorite: "In the system, what is the relationship
between the developed world, countries like the U.S., Germany and
Japan and the T
Stopped it at about 7 minutes. I can't get past her patronizing,
Kindergarten Teacher-like presentation style. She may have some good
things to say, but the way she presents them annoys the piss out of
me.
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Someone sent me this link,
That transcript from Beck doesn't say anything.
It doesn't say whether he agrees, what he agrees with...or if he
Disagrees...or what he agrees with.
It doesn't point out any of the concepts that were put forward in the
video as being right or wrong.
Why did you post that link?
Can you be specif
I saw parts of in on Glenn Beck. Yeah I watched him twice I think.
Funny shit. Figures you would like it.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,555065,00.html
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Someone sent me this link, and while having lunch I decided to visit i
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