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-Original Message-
From: Larry Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:53 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: cash for clunkers program may be tapped out already
>Larry,
>
>You pr
>Larry,
>
>You probably never want to drive in NC, this is status quo... and you'll get
>screamed at by the idiot that cut you off
Scott,
You used to live in this area, you know its typical behaviors, especially for
those huge SUV's with the pro Sara Palin buper stickers.
It may be just my pe
I agree kinda... but I am so over bailing out Detroit. The rest of it might
be worth the money. But why is it we can put this kind of money into cars
but it's socialism when we put it into medicine?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:40 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> I think this program is doing a lot of good
Larry, I was saying that those drivers pis me off (agreeing with you),
but that the bumper stickers they may have on the vehicle don't. I
lived in NJ for 35 years, I know from asshole drivers.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
>>For those keeping score...I share Larry's disda
I think this program is doing a lot of good..helping out a beleaguered
industry, helping the environment, reducing oil dependency, AND saving
consumers money over the lifetime of ownership..i dunno, if we got that
kind of return on every gov $ spent, we'd be doing pretty good.
On Fri, Jul
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Hence, they
> pause the program before things get ugly while they work shit out.
> Which is, actually, admirable from a fiscal point of view.
>
> Judah
>
AP Mobile Breaking news... House approved and additional 2billion for this
progra
Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:24 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: cash for clunkers program may be tapped out already
>For those keeping score...I share Larry's disdain for those he
>describes below (though the bumper stickers he describes don't annoy
>me
> You haven't been cut off by some jerk lurching over from the non-hov
> lanes. The jerk was the only occupant of the SUV. He was yelling into
> his cell phone (I could hear him with his windows rolled up) and not
> paying any attention. After cutting me off he zoomed all of 60 feet when
> the lan
>For those keeping score...I share Larry's disdain for those he
>describes below (though the bumper stickers he describes don't annoy
>me as much). So maybe this one is a draw?
You haven't been cut off by some jerk lurching over from the non-hov lanes. The
jerk was the only occupant of the SUV.
For those keeping score...I share Larry's disdain for those he
describes below (though the bumper stickers he describes don't annoy
me as much). So maybe this one is a draw?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
>>What annoys me is the Hummers I see driving down impeccably paved
nah, I'm pretty sure he doesn't think *I'm* am idiot. :)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Larry thinks you are but I'm not sure how he knows you use skim milk
> or why it bothers him that you do :)
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> > So I sure hope ya'
Larry thinks you are but I'm not sure how he knows you use skim milk
or why it bothers him that you do :)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:01 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
> So I sure hope ya'll dont paint "those idiots that didn't buy an economical
> vehicle" with such a wide brush. We're not all idiots.
~
yep that was me (and him).
On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:51 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> I thought I helped you with some maps, etc ... didnt I? Wasnt it you
> and
> your brother? :)
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> that trip was
I wonder what the impact of this will beit seems like tons of people are
taking advantage of it. Do you think we'll see a dent in both pollution and
oil dependency in the this country over the next few years as a result of
this program
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:49 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
I thought I helped you with some maps, etc ... didnt I? Wasnt it you and
your brother? :)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> that trip was in 2004, my second trip was in 2006, but on that one, we
> stayed in the northern areas mostly, al
>> So aren't you glad that it has been paused at only 96 million spent
>> when they realized "holy shit, this isn't right"?
>
> definitely please that someone hit pause, but worried that instead of
> rewinding the program they are going to provide even more funding.
Ask and ye shall receive -
ht
that trip was in 2004, my second trip was in 2006, but on that one, we
stayed in the northern areas mostly, although we did stay in London
for 3 days right across the street from Hyde Park.
I miss it a lot. I want to go back sometime in the next year or so.
On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Er
When did you go?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On my first trip over there, I stayed in Croydon.
>
>
>
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something th
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/30/no-3-at-justice-okd-panther-reversal/?feat=home_cube_position1
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> alright
>
> I know I will be sorry for this but
>
> what black panthers that got the walk?
>
> Have you been listening to Michael Savage
I am pretty sure that Fugly comes to mind when I look at this.
Vivec wrote:
> THIS!!!
> http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pimped-out-truck.jpg
>
> *points*
> Get that one! :-)
>
>
>
~|
Want to reach
The door is already falling off! (cheaply made american cars)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> THIS!!!
>
> http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pimped-out-truck.jpg
>
> *points*
> Get that one! :-)
>
> 2009/7/31 Erika L. Rich :
> >
> > The verdict is sti
THIS!!!
http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/pimped-out-truck.jpg
*points*
Get that one! :-)
2009/7/31 Erika L. Rich :
>
> The verdict is still out. I'm not convinced that I can't make this Ford keep
> ticking. But Charles is considering early retirement, and if that happe
I lived in England (south london) for a few years.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> E-with-a-K, where did you live before 2003?
>
>
>
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want
Even if they open it up to 2006-7 or newer. Then warranties might still be
in effect and the vehicles would be more affordable.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Dana wrote:
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> yeah, the problem might be that they are limiting it to new cars. We are
> doing enough for Detroit already imho, if
On my first trip over there, I stayed in Croydon.
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:59 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> To answer both:
>
> Croydon. And I miss it tremendously. Met a bunch of great people. I
> ADORE
> the public transit. The history, the pubs, the access to all the
> different
> countries,
As an aside, it is because of the adventures I led in my 20's and early
30's, that I do not mind in the slightest being stuck in a remote mountain
village for awhile. From NYC to London to Atlanta and the areas in between,
the nightlife and the daylife, I've had my share of fun, games and then
som
To answer both:
Croydon. And I miss it tremendously. Met a bunch of great people. I ADORE
the public transit. The history, the pubs, the access to all the different
countries, etc.
Why I went is a bit more personal. Suffice it to say I was at a crossroads
in life and took the path that looked li
Very nice. For work?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
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> I lived in England (south london) for a few years.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > E-with-a-K, where did you live before 2003?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
~~~
what area? Do you miss it?
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> I lived in England (south london) for a few years.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Michael Grant
> wrote:
>
>>
>> E-with-a-K, where did you live before 2003?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
~~~
yeah, the problem might be that they are limiting it to new cars. We are
doing enough for Detroit already imho, if that's supposed to be a subsidy,
and there are lots of used cars running around that meet the gas mileage
criteria
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:59 AM, morgan l wrote:
>
> Agreed. But
>What annoys me is the Hummers I see driving down impeccably paved streets,
>their owners sipping lattes from Starbucks and sporting "Drill Baby Drill"
>bumper stickers. Admit it, that is a *lot* of SUV owners. Possibly most.
>
>Pickup trucks and SUVs have their place. I used to have an old F150 o
Not around here. The car dealerships are flooding the radio with ads. You
can walk off the lot with a brand new car for $5700, after all of the
rebates and car tradeins. Lots more for $7K, 8, 9K.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:59 AM, morgan l wrote:
>
> Agreed. But then again, those people still c
Agreed. But then again, those people still can't afford a new car, even with
$4500 off the tag. As well meaning as this program was, it just won't work
to it's intended program and will instead be as Robert says, people trading
in to get their new beemer or Mercedes at a taxpayer-subsidized discou
E-with-a-K, where did you live before 2003?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> When I moved back to the states in 2003 ... I had about 7 days to find a
> vehicle, that was not only big enough to tow and tote things around, but
> that ran and was very cheap (as in under a
no, not at all. At the moment I really wish I had a pickup, actually. But
not for every day, not unless I move to one of those places I was looking at
ten miles up a dirt road in the Santa Fe National Forest. Which is looking
less likely.
What annoys me is the Hummers I see driving down impeccabl
When I moved back to the states in 2003 ... I had about 7 days to find a
vehicle, that was not only big enough to tow and tote things around, but
that ran and was very cheap (as in under a couple thousand dollars). I found
a 1991 Ford Explorer. A car was out of the question because of the amount o
ah so since my car does get more than that, then I would not have qualified?
That's a relief in a way, though it pisses me off even more under the
category of subsidizing SUV owners. I do think that there are people out
there who drive inefficient cars because that is all they can afford -- if
the
alright
I know I will be sorry for this but
what black panthers that got the walk?
Have you been listening to Michael Savage again?
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Judah McAuley
> wrote:
> >
> > Fortunately no single person has control of th
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Fortunately no single person has control of that button. And yes, I am
> honestly and truly happy that Obama can say "Holy Shit, I fucked up!
> Undo". That was something Bush was incapable of doing and what I
> faulted him for most.
You s
Fortunately no single person has control of that button. And yes, I am
honestly and truly happy that Obama can say "Holy Shit, I fucked up!
Undo". That was something Bush was incapable of doing and what I
faulted him for most.
Obama has pissed me off many times in his young presidency. That will
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> So aren't you glad that it has been paused at only 96 million spent
> when they realized "holy shit, this isn't right"?
>
definitely please that someone hit pause, but worried that instead of
rewinding the program they are going to provi
Isn't it comforting knowing the guy with his finger on the button can
turn around a week later and say: "Holy Shit, I fucked up! Undo".
Or let's have a beer, that'll fix things :P
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> So aren't you glad that it has been paused at only 96 mil
That must explain my chronic verbal incontinence, eh?
/me finishes off a Hop Ottin IPA 7% ABV
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> I do like IPA's but they tend to be 7-9% alc and I tend to forget
> what I"m saying mid-sentence.
> So I think I lose those discussions.
>
>
> On Thu, J
I do like IPA's but they tend to be 7-9% alc and I tend to forget
what I"m saying mid-sentence.
So I think I lose those discussions.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Ah, I'm not a fan of lagers, though Czechvar isn't bad. I did try to
> have a pint of Kolsch the other
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dana wrote:
> Last, I think the definition clunker
> needs work. I rather got the impression that my three-year-old
> relatively-high-gas-mileage Mitsubishi would qualify as long as I was
> buying something that was slightly better gas mileage. If this is true, i
Ah, I'm not a fan of lagers, though Czechvar isn't bad. I did try to
have a pint of Kolsch the other day because, well, it was 106 here.
But they were out so I had an imperial ipa instead.
Judah
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> Disclosure: I have a 1/2 barrel of Czechvar in the
So aren't you glad that it has been paused at only 96 million spent
when they realized "holy shit, this isn't right"? I've already seen
that they are working on revising the list of cars that qualify
because it wasn't working right. I am still quite dubious about the
program, but I like the fact
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Dana wrote:
> Also, it's apparently not hitting the intended target
> market. I heard something about a majority of customers paying cash, ie,
> it's saving a bit of money for people who seem to already have some.
> Awesome
> as that may be for them, I thought
/me has a lightbulb moment
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Sam wrote:
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> Disclosure: I have a 1/2 barrel of Czechvar in the kegerator so I'm
> in a really good mood lately
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Sam wrote:
> > Pitchers of Cosmos?
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Ju
there are the germs of an idea there, but it does need work. For one thing,
yes, I do find it annoying to subsidize idiots who bought low-mileage cars
because they could. Also, it's apparently not hitting the intended target
market. I heard something about a majority of customers paying cash, ie,
Disclosure: I have a 1/2 barrel of Czechvar in the kegerator so I'm
in a really good mood lately
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Sam wrote:
> Pitchers of Cosmos?
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> That's odd to
Pitchers of Cosmos?
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Sam wrote:
>>
>> That's odd to you. In real life people usually end up agreeing with me ;)
>> Some times it takes a few pitchers.
>
> Anything is possible. But we'd probably disagree o
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> That's odd to you. In real life people usually end up agreeing with me ;)
> Some times it takes a few pitchers.
Anything is possible. But we'd probably disagree on the beer.
~|
Wa
That's odd to you. In real life people usually end up agreeing with me ;)
Some times it takes a few pitchers.
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Oddly enough, I agree with you Sam.
~|
Want to reach the C
Oddly enough, I agree with you Sam. I'm not defending the program as a
brilliant idea. I'm just pointing out that the criticism leveled
against it (it has already run out of money) isn't true and they are
suspending it early on because of fiscal concerns.
Judah
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM, S
But I can't get a rebate because ten years ago I bought a responsible
car. Reward the polluters.
Speaking of loopholes:)
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/07/29/using-cash-for-clunkers-money-to-buy-a-muscle-car/
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> You'll notice the bit at
You'll notice the bit at the very end where it says that rebates
submitted, thus far, total 96 million. Which is obviously a tiny
fraction of 1 billion. This article didn't mention what others did,
which is that the program was halted temporarily because of concerns
that accounting wasn't being do
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