Well, that is "progress".
With any self-defense claim (for the most part) an arrest is made, and then
if there are significant questions of culpability or guilt, a grand jury is
empaneled to see if the defendant will be indicted.
With the "stand your ground" law, the arrest (in theory) is only m
Zimmerman's lawyer says the Stand your Ground law does not apply!
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justice/florida-teen-shooting/?hpt=us_c2
" A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death
investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the
shooting that ki
Yup, these are real things that have been studied. That paragraph
describes a combination of Agenda Setting and Cultivation Theory.
Agenda Setting is, well, exactly what it says. The media, whatever its
form, sets the agenda for societal topics by how much importance they
assign to one parti
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/17/2698133/tragic-teen-shooting-raises-old.html
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Dana wrote:
> oh I agree. Just saying, in case anyone was thinking that all the media
> coverage was having no effect. There are a lot of towns like Sanford, but
> maybe it will
oh I agree. Just saying, in case anyone was thinking that all the media
coverage was having no effect. There are a lot of towns like Sanford, but
maybe it will lead to some decision-makers getting religion and deciding
that they don't want national and international media talking about what
rednec
That's a good first step. But there needs to be an investigation into the
whole department, and of course into Zimmerman.
On 22 March 2012 07:47, Dana wrote:
>
> that's a hard post to follow ;) but thought I would mention that the City
> Council of Sanford passed a vote of no confidence in the
that's a hard post to follow ;) but thought I would mention that the City
Council of Sanford passed a vote of no confidence in the police chief. That
doesn't make everything ok, but i's nice to know that public outrage is
having an effect. Cause I think Sanford has been that kind of town for a
lon
Media bias in the Trayvon Martin case?
CNN showed a clip about the case 41 times, MSNBC 13 times and Fox news 1
time.
The article explains that the more we see something on the news, the more
likely we as human beings are to think it is a problem and to pay attention
to it. That's why we may beli
Laws are based around motivation, and intent.
That's an established fact.
First degree murder, second degree murder, third degree murder,
manslaughter etc.
So the intent and the motivation is very important.
On 21 March 2012 18:11, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
>
> But, "dead is dead", and it _sh
I definitely don't know if it was racially motivated or not either.
The information thus far is pretty damning but things can get
distorted pretty quickly when large amounts of media get involved. I'm
just glad to hear that a real investigation seems to being planned.
Perhaps it will get to the cr
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Subject: Re: Trayvon Martin, killed in cold blood or is self defence the
answer?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Cameron Childress
wrote:
>
> ...and none of these facts have a thing to do with race. He shot
> someone, he should answer for that. Period. No more and no less becaus
Pretty much...but I would say that if Trayvon was white, he would still be
alive today...
-Original Message-
From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 4:15 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Trayvon Martin, killed in cold blood or is self defence
You know - you may be right. At the least this guy should be in jail right
now and under investigation. If it was racially motivated (which I am not
certain of one way or the other), then another layer of punishment may be
called for.
-Cameron
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Judah McAuley wro
But, "dead is dead", and it _shouldn't_ have an effect on the way it is
punished. Fuck 'em both.
It certainly shouldn't be ok for the "defense", as it seems to be right
now, to claim: "I was afraid. he was black. can't blame me for shooting
him".
If the race of the dude who was shot IS relevant
I can't quite agree with you there, Cam. I've known people who started
fights because they were drunk and had a chip on their shoulder and
I've known people who started fights because the other person was gay
or the wrong race. The first situation is motivated by stupidity and
the second is motiv
I am sure race has alot to do with any individual's insecurities and fears,
which are different for each individual based on their history. But once
you have killed someone you should be punished the same way, regardless of
anyone race.
-Cameron
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:26 PM, PT wrote:
> I
A good article, in my view, on why the facts about the racial motivation of
this crime cannot , and perhaps should not, be ignored.
http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayvon-martin-white-denial-and-the-unacceptable-burden-of-blackness-in-america/
~~~
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> ...and none of these facts have a thing to do with race. He shot someone,
> he should answer for that. Period. No more and no less because of race.
>
Though race very well may have been the reason that the guy tracked
the kid down in
I am sure race had a lot to do with Zimmerman's initial suspicions. He
also said the kid looked like he was on drugs and was "acting funny".
So there you have it. At a glance, the kid was one of the black punks
that had been robbing the place and was a druggie! He was a madman.
Zimmerman ha
...and none of these facts have a thing to do with race. He shot someone,
he should answer for that. Period. No more and no less because of race.
-Cameron
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:08 PM, PT wrote:
> * Kid was minding his own business.
> * Kid was from out of town and had no idea who Zimmerma
* Kid was minding his own business.
* Kid was from out of town and had no idea who Zimmerman was.
* Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch, not on neighborhood
confront-anyone-suspicious-you-see
* He armed himself and went looking for a confrontation.
* He was not supposed to be armed while fulfilli
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Eric Roberts <
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> From what I have read, there is. The Justice department and FBI are
> getting
> involved now since they have refused to arrest Zimmerman.
There is absolutely no reason for Zimmerman to be walking free ri
tin, killed in cold blood or is self defence the
answer?
>From what I have read/heard:
possibly Zimmerman genuinely felt threatened.
HOWEVER
He actually sought out the confrontation. If you're that fearful, man, don't
go following people with a gun in your hand.
The kid was minding his
Sounded to me, given the witness reports, that the kid actually ran from the
guy who chased him down. The kid was screaming for help and yelling "no! No!"
just before the gun went off. The girl actually heard the short chase.
Further the witnesses who contacted police had a tough time gettin
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Here's a journalist's response , noting that regardless of what he wears
> while walking down the street it's hardly likely that he will look
> "suspicious". His reasoning is that it's just because he's white.
In some neighborhoods this is true.
The released cell phone conversation that the victim had with his
girlfriend while he was walking back to his father's place makes it
pretty clear that it was not self defense. Zimmerman apparently
followed the kid for some distance as Martin was trying to get back to
his father's place. Moreover
>From what I have read/heard:
possibly Zimmerman genuinely felt threatened.
HOWEVER
He actually sought out the confrontation. If you're that fearful, man,
don't go following people with a gun in your hand.
The kid was minding his own business and talking to a girl on his cell
phone. He begged
Be kind. Keep your snickering to yourself. Or at least in small groups.
I haven't found any of the medium-long flowing hair in photos, yet.
This is the very end of the long hair, during the last months it was in
extreme mullet mode. (Shortly after this I finally had it chopped off and
donated to
I must see pictures.. i have a few in my "Hair Metal" days
On 3/20/2012 3:24 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote:
> FWIW, I am white. And I used to have long hair. (a hair farmer as my
> friends called me)
>
> And I often got stopped by the police, sometimes with guns drawn. And
> avoided with a well-ti
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Subject: Re: Trayvon Martin, killed in cold blood or is self defence the
answer?
Truly unbelievable. And hopefully it won't stand as is.
What would I think about someone in a hoodie walking down the street? That
they are a New England Patriots head coach?
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012
FWIW, I am white. And I used to have long hair. (a hair farmer as my
friends called me)
And I often got stopped by the police, sometimes with guns drawn. And
avoided with a well-timed street-crossing. And pursed-clutched.
It's not just about being black. It is also about not matching "the norms"
That Yahoo article and the one it links too keep emphasizing the same
thing: "Zimmerman violated several major parts of the Neighborhood
Watch handbook"...like don't fucking kill people? Get a sense of
perspective, people! The neighborhood watch bit is totally irrelevant.
Don't hunt people down an
Truly unbelievable. And hopefully it won't stand as is.
What would I think about someone in a hoodie walking down the street? That
they are a New England Patriots head coach?
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Vivec wrote:
> >
> > After
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Vivec wrote:
>
> After all...it was a black 17 year old in a hoodie and what do you expect?
I'd expect it was my next door neighbor or maybe the kid across the street.
Guess I won't be shooting anyone soon.
Judah
~~
http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-killing-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts-063243901--abc-news.html
I'm really curious if blacks start policing their neighbourhoods and
shooting white pedestrians whether this same defence would stand up to
scrutiny?
I am at a loss as to why this man has not bee
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