> Isaac you are insanely smart and you know it... quit rubbing it in. ;)
Heh... it's funny, I actually have a mild complex that makes me worry
that others perceive me as being egotistical. The other article prior to
this one, the Devil Went Down to Silicon Valley, I've edited once or
twice after p
Isaac you are insanely smart and you know it... quit rubbing it in. ;)
Whirled peas,
G
On Feb 8, 2008 8:05 PM, s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Paul Graham says we should all learn a language a year. Lets make
> > this the year we tell our critics to master Coldfusion or stop
> >
> Paul Graham says we should all learn a language a year. Lets make
> this the year we tell our critics to master Coldfusion or stop
> criticizing it!
I guess that would mean I'd have to learn Ruby pretty soon.
http://ontap.riaforge.org/blog/index.cfm/2008/2/8/Maintainability
Doh!
--
s. isaa
> I have to agree. Isn't it about time we all got "a little" smug?
As long as I don't have to use words like "playa hater" and "represent".
There's nothing sadder than an egg-headed gen-x post-hippie white-guy
like me trying to "talk street". When I do it somebody really should be
mimicking the F
Isn't that because the price of dollar really fell? Or is that equivalent
to inflation?
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:26 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just D
Mark Fuqua wrote:
> It is interesting, that while the developer community has been belly achin'
> about prices for cf, Adobe has actually raised the price for enterprise 50%.
You just have an inflation problem, for people outside the US the price
has gone down.
Jochem
~~
I think sometimes we sulk off to places like here and complain when someone
says "CF is dead."
I used to think it wasn't dignified to duke it out with some of the
fanboys. But I have changed my mind. So now I have made it a point to
challenge these guys sometimes.
I took the time to learn Rails
I have to agree. Isn't it about time we all got "a little" smug?
On Feb 8, 2008 10:13 AM, Ryan, Terrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I feel the desire to jump in and defend Adam here.
>
> It's definitely a different tone the we're used to. But we talk about how
> ColdFusion gets bashed on Digg
I feel the desire to jump in and defend Adam here.
It's definitely a different tone the we're used to. But we talk about how
ColdFusion gets bashed on Digg and it isn't attracting new developers. Having
someone who speaks in the same tone as those audiences isn't a bad thing. If
you want g
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, Raymond Camden wrote:
> Shoot, as it stands, CF is "more" free as you don't have to be a
> student to run it on your own machine for nothing.
See my (unanswered) post last week, about what CFML engines are free to use in
production (i.e. without limits like 3 IP address,
On Friday 08 Feb 2008, Gerald Guido wrote:
> Personally I do not want an "Evangelist" for my stack of choice who uses
> terms like "PHP and open sores fanboys" in the about section of his blog.
Depends on context.
I do want someone promoting CF who thinks PHP isn't enterprise-ready, for
instance.
On Thursday 07 Feb 2008, Russ wrote:
> customers. If enough developers feel that this is a good idea and make
> their voice heard, perhaps Adobe will reconsider it.
I think they've heard, considered, and rejected.
--
Tom Chiverton
Helping to simultaneously unleash world-class design-patterns
on
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/editions/#s4
Developer edition is free. All that's left is the will to learn.
I'll bet that as Adobe merges more applications together like the are doing
now (LiveCycle, CF, Flex, etc.) and make everything PDF compatible, the
market share will increase.
> Correct. However there is a direct relationship between interest and
> getting a job.
I was responding to a comment about (paraphrase) "Adobe should do
something to improve adoption amongst SMB because they'll sell more
licenses". So yup, agree with you there -- but I wasn't arguing against
thi
>> I do however take issue with craigslist being used as a benchmark for
determining the interest in ColdFusion and the assumption that there is
a direct relationship between interest and profitability.
Correct. However there is a direct relationship between interest and
getting a job.
On Feb 7
, 2008 4:38 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:32 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
&g
> > No, I'm pretty sure it was introduced in 4.x. I seem to recall it
> was > 4.0.1, but I'm not entirely sure.
>
> I bet Ben Forta could tell us half asleep with both eyes closed.
> He's a master of random CF version history factoids. :)
I should hope so! He's been the product evangelist sinc
t; Russ
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:21 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
> >
> > As a student you typ
> But guess what? There's not a whole lot of small-biz/enterprise
> asking CF by name. And I don't think anyone here will dispute that.
> If you check out craigslist, dice, monster, etc... demand for PHP
> developers far out number demand for CF developers. If you dispute
> that, you are in denial
> I don't know either. Perhaps because you have invested
> heavily in CF like many of us here?
I am more invested in the defense of common sense. I think that the people
who are complaining about how Adobe isn't giving CF away, or getting it into
schools, etc, have unrealistic expectations about
>>> I don't know why I bother responding to these threads, though.
I don't know either. Perhaps because you have invested heavily in CF like
many of us here?
>> People have been griping about CF pricing/marketing/evangelism since it
was an Allaire
product.
True. However, ColdFusion taught me the
> No, I'm pretty sure it was introduced in 4.x. I seem to recall it was
> 4.0.1, but I'm not entirely sure.
I bet Ben Forta could tell us half asleep with both eyes closed. He's a
master of random CF version history factoids. :)
~Brad
~~
-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
> Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't CFSCRIPT been around
> since CF 3 (1997)
No, I'm pretty sure it was introdu
> Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't CFSCRIPT been around
> since CF 3 (1997)
No, I'm pretty sure it was introduced in 4.x. I seem to recall it was 4.0.1,
but I'm not entirely sure. The ability to write functions in CFSCRIPT wasn't
introduced until CF 5, though.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Softw
On Feb 7, 2008 5:38 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> CFC's are largely a new language that was totally not available in 4.5 and
> so are functions. I don't remember when CFSCRIPT was added, but that's
> pretty much a new language.
>
If you can run a CF 4.5 site that contains mostly includes
Er.. I meant to say, if you "can't" - sorry... distracted by the better
half.
On Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM, Todd Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Feb 7, 2008 5:38 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > CFC's are largely a new language that was totally not available in 4.5and
> > so are fun
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't CFSCRIPT been around since CF 3 (1997)
>CFC's are largely a new language that was totally not available in 4.5 and
>so are functions. I don't remember when CFSCRIPT was added, but that's
>pretty much a new language.
--
William E. Seiter
Have you ever rea
> Largely compatible does not mean compatible. I had to make a
> bunch of changes just upgrading from 7 to 8.
I'm sorry to hear that. However, the vast majority of syntax is the same,
and there are plenty of CF applications written for 5 and earlier that will
simply run, as is, on CF 8. And, o
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:32 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> > I would guess the same thing that happened to CF 4.5, which I
> I would guess the same thing that happened to CF 4.5, which I
> would consider to be the ASP classic of those days. It got
> upgraded to newer and better things.
CFML written for a 4.5 server is largely compatible with CF 8. I just
upgraded a CF 4.5 server to CF 8. "Classic" ASP doesn't use t
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
---snip---
>
> I don't know why I bother responding to these thre
> You keep saying that Adobe is targeting the enterprise. Most
> enterprises I know are not using ColdFusion, and are using
> .NET because .Net is more "enterprisey". If they have money
> and want to invest in the JAVA technology, they will go for
> something like Websphere.
I didn't say th
On Feb 7, 2008 3:26 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
> > So, what is Adobe doing so the freelance developers like me
> > have MORE customers that ask Coldfusion by name?
>
> It isn't Adobe's job to make you successful at your business. That's your
> job.
>
> Personally, I would love to see Adobe doing all so
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:26 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> > The more small-biz/enterprise ask CF by name equals The more
&
> The more small-biz/enterprise ask CF by name equals The more
> jobs are for CF developers equals The more developers are to
> take on CF (versus PHP,RoR,.NET) equals The more small-biz
> ask CF by name equals The more Adobe sells CF servers
This is not necessarily true. Especially the last pa
ssage-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 2:21 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
As a student you typically do not have to pay to be able to put up a
hosted
PHP page. Most universities give the
than
cf standard.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
We have seen an official response:
http://www.adobe.com/products/cold
> That would require a classroom with powerful enough computers
> that can run CF. That's a pretty large investment. I know
> in my university, all the students have laptops, so it would
> be a lot easier to have a shared server and have all of the
> students put their work there.
CF will
As a freelance developer (I am sure many on this list are), my simple mind
that tells me that 'to CF or not to CF' boils down to this cycle:
The more small-biz/enterprise ask CF by name equals
The more jobs are for CF developers equals
The more developers are to take on CF (versus PHP,RoR,.NET) eq
We have seen an official response:
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/buy/
:)
Will
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 07 February 2008 19:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> Not anyone who
On Feb 7, 2008 2:29 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That would require a classroom with powerful enough computers that can run
> CF. That's a pretty large investment. I know in my university, all the
> students have laptops, so it would be a lot easier to have a shared server
> and have all
Setup a start/stop bat script to turn things off when you're not in class?
I think server setup SHOULD be part of the class IMHO.
On Feb 7, 2008 3:29 PM, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having each student install CF and IIS or apache on their own PC might be
> a
> bit of a pain, and laptops in
> If all of this has been heard before, should've we have seen
> an official response to this somewhere?
What would you expect their response to be, other than "we'll consider
this?"
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Training: Adobe/Google/Paperthin Certified P
y, February 07, 2008 3:21 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> As a student you typically do not have to pay to be able to put up a
> hosted
> PHP page. Most universities give their students free web accounts and
> most
>
>
> Not anyone who's going to tell you how to run your business, no. But you
> know that Ben Forta and the rest of the product evangelists are plugged
> into
> this list and other well-known CF resources, so presumably someone at
> Adobe
> has heard all of these criticisms before.
>
If all of t
As a student you typically do not have to pay to be able to put up a hosted
PHP page. Most universities give their students free web accounts and most
of those accounts have access to PHP. At least that has been my experience
with three major Universities here in Texas. There are of course
limit
y, February 07, 2008 3:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> > Another important thing about running a business is listening
> > to your customers. If enough developers feel that this is a
> > good idea
> Another important thing about running a business is listening
> to your customers. If enough developers feel that this is a
> good idea and make their voice heard, perhaps Adobe will
> reconsider it.
That might be true in many cases. However, you're essentially asking them to
give something
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 1:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> > If someone from adobe sat down with me and gave me some
>
Flex is client side technology. Guess what - the "client" for CF,
which would be you running CF on your own machine, is also free.
Shoot, as it stands, CF is "more" free as you don't have to be a
student to run it on your own machine for nothing.
Now your argument stating that you would only learn
> If someone from adobe sat down with me and gave me some
> constructive criticism on my business, I would definitely
> take it under consideration.
What makes you think that, over the last ten years that people have been
arguing about this, Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe didn't take it under
consider
8 1:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> > > All the evidence we can gather points to the fact that Allaire,
> > > Macromedia and now Adobe are profitable with the ColdFusion pricing
> > > model exactly as
> If they are making good money on it, and it's mostly from the enterprise
> sector, wouldn't it make sense to let the educational institutions have it
> for free? This way enterprise would have a better pool of talent, and are
> more likely to get CF/stick with CF in the coming years.
I don't ha
> > All the evidence we can gather points to the fact that Allaire,
> > Macromedia and now Adobe are profitable with the ColdFusion pricing
> > model exactly as it stands. So, there's very little motivation to
> > address their marketing approach. If they were losing money on
> > ColdFusion,
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:55 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
If they are making good money on it, and it's mostly from the enterprise
sector, wouldn't it mak
rver Enterprise, and less people moving to free platforms.
Russ
> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Nathanson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 12:33 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
>
> >Well it's a bit hard for CF, because of the pricing model. CF is priced
> >per
>>Server, meanwhile all the other technologies you mention can be hosted for
>>(relatively) free. .NET makes it up by selling more Windows Server
>>licenses, and PHP and RoR are free.
All the evidence we can gathe
>Well it's a bit hard for CF, because of the pricing model. CF is priced per
>Server, meanwhile all the other technologies you mention can be hosted for
>(relatively) free. .NET makes it up by selling more Windows Server
>licenses, and PHP and RoR are free.
>
>Microsoft has done a good job adver
I have not seen any evidence of this either and actually what I have seen is
CF developers looking for work and having a hard time finding things in
their areas. I can not speak for all companies but I know the one I do work
for went away from CF not because of lack of developers at all. Somehow
> I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way,
> but not the *only* way. Have we really gotten the word out as
> a community to Adobe in terms of what we are seeing and the
> trends that are happening?
I don't even know what that means. Purchasing a product doesn't make you a
m
Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 1:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> >The only way you can "pressure" a company is to not buy its products.
>
>
>The only way you can "pressure" a company is to not buy its products.
I'm not sure that's entirely true. It may be the *best* way, but not the *only*
way. Have we really gotten the word out as a community to Adobe in terms of
what we are seeing and the trends that are happening? Sales numbers a
> The problem with that Dave is that even the Enterprise
> customers won't be able to find developers eventually, if the
> small business and educational use is left behind. We're
> already starting to see this developer shortage and
> eventually companies are going to get tired of having to
>
Well it's always possible that Crayola JUST switched away from that.
:)
-Original Message-
From: Beru [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 8:30 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Taken out of the &quo
gt;
> To: "CF-Talk"
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:19 PM
> Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
>
> >> I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be "What can Adobe
> >> do to promote Col
>Thanks Josh. I hadn't really looked through them recently, though I was
>thinking specifically about case studies of companies moving to CF from
>competing technologies like PHP or MS SharePoint. It was my impression
>(though I could be wrong) that their case studies were generally
>confined to n
> The problem with that Dave is that even the Enterprise customers
> won't be able to find developers eventually, if the small business
> and educational use is left behind. We're already starting to see
> this developer shortage and eventually companies are going to get
> tired of having to train
:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
> -Original Message-
> From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any
>Adobe doesn't appear to be especially
>interested in selling to the small business market, but rather to the
>enterprise market. According to the little sales information I can find,
>this strategy appears to be working for them.
The problem with that Dave is that even the Enterprise customers wo
have to sell it (or
at least make my selling efforts as easy as the PHP, .NET or the RoR guy)?
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don
> Good idea. They do have quite a few case studies already, but you
> can never have too many.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/
>
> -- Josh
Thanks Josh. I hadn't really looked through them recently, though I was
thinking specifically about case studies of companies moving
I took a class that had QBasic within it, I think I took that class 4-5
years ago and would imagine it is still there. I have yet to see an
ASP.NETclass, I know at the current University that I take classes
they do have
some PHP courses. I also know that one of the nearby community colleges was
o
> -Original Message-
> From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> I think that having it as an alternative to QBasic would be grea
CF is great but CF coupled with Flex is even better. We have a lot of Java
developers here who don't think much of CF but they kinda gulp when they can
see what a Flex front end and a CF backend can do. Flex is starting to make
inroads here since it is easy to make killer apps with it and it i
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>Adobe should also push to have ColdFusion taught as part of the curriculum
>(at least as an elective) instead of ASP.NET, or at least as an
alternative.
>They should pr
Message-----
> > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:10 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
> >
> > >I'm not surprised. The big question continues
I'd be curious as to how many enterprise customers of CF they pick up per
year vs how many are lost.
On Feb 5, 2008 3:54 PM, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The problem is that, why do I, the CF developer, need to keep
> > on selling the advantages of CF to my clients. Shouldn't
> > Ado
>Adobe should also push to have ColdFusion taught as part of the curriculum
>(at least as an elective) instead of ASP.NET, or at least as an alternative.
>They should provide free and easy educational materials that teachers can
>use to teach CF.
Yes, absolutely. It simply has to be out there mo
> The problem is that, why do I, the CF developer, need to keep
> on selling the advantages of CF to my clients. Shouldn't
> Adobe work twice as hard to reach out to the small
> businesses, so developers like me don't have to sell it (or
> at least make my selling efforts as easy as the PHP, .N
have to sell it (or
at least make my selling efforts as easy as the PHP, .NET or the RoR guy)?
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don
studies already, but you can
> never
> have too many.
>
> http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/
>
> -- Josh
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk"
> Sent: Tuesday, F
gt; From: CFMike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 4:13 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>
> As a CF developer for many years, I often feel as if I work twice as hard
> selling my services to a potent
but you can never
have too many.
http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/customers/
-- Josh
- Original Message -
From: "s. isaac dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some Peop
have to sell it (or
at least make my selling efforts as easy as the PHP, .NET or the RoR guy)?
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:10 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Ju
Agreed, I know one of the big things here that the IT Architects used to say
CF is a dead or dying language was all the examples they could show of
businesses going away from it. Although they were on a mission to go pure
MS and not sure if anything could have beat them off that mission.
On Feb 5
d I'm not willing to move
just to keep programming in Coldfusion.
A sad reality...
!k
-Original Message-
From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 2:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
>I&
>I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be "What can Adobe do
>to promote ColdFusion?" CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has
>actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector for a
>few years now. I just want to see the articles that say "Yeah, we're
>migrating fr
> I'm not surprised. The big question continues to be "What can Adobe
> do to promote ColdFusion?" CF gets press on releases, and Adobe has
> actively and aggressively marketed toward the government IT sector
> for a few years now. I just want to see the articles that say "Yeah,
> we're migrating f
That's funny.
..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.
Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com
-Original Message-
From: William Seiter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 11:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Bette
>> week they profiled Bill Santille of Uline, a 'Shipping Supply
>> Specialist' if Google has it right. (http://tinyurl.com/2fsj74)
>
>Yeah, they're a great company with excellent customer service and quality
>products. I use them, as do clients of mine. You should all get your
>packaging and shi
Wow, Judith, you are fast! I only received my magazine copy yesterday. I
copied Ben and Damon on my original post (I had the wrong email for Kristen)
Steve "Cutter" Blades
Adobe Certified Professional
Advanced Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
_
http://blog.cuttersc
m
Enter passkey: goldengrove
Web Developer / ColdFusion Programmer
http://William.Seiter.com
-Original Message-
From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 6:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Actually, I had seen this article already and brought it to the attention of
Kristen Schofield and Adam Lehman at Adobe. Kristen said she'd see what she
could do. So Adobe has already been alerted.
Judith Dinowitz
Editor-in-Chief: Fusion Authority
http://www.fusionauthority.com
> I would like
> week they profiled Bill Santille of Uline, a 'Shipping Supply
> Specialist' if Google has it right. (http://tinyurl.com/2fsj74)
Yeah, they're a great company with excellent customer service and quality
products. I use them, as do clients of mine. You should all get your
packaging and shipping
> I would like to see some articles that said they were going
> from .NET to CF as well but it is always the other way
> around.
I'm working with a client who's transitioning from .NET to CF right now.
That said, I think there are more people going the other way.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Softw
MX 7 Developer
> _
> http://blog.cutterscrossing.com
>
> Andy Matthews wrote:
> > Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
&
On 2/5/08, Todd Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ).
>
I don't think there has been any conversion there, or any CF...looking
in the wayback machine, that site has been the same ASP classic stuff
since around 2002...
http
te:
> Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't
Sure...I'm sure that interview was done about 2 or 3 months ago.
-Original Message-
From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SPAM: Re: ColdFusion: Some People Just Don't Know Any Better
Too late. Looks li
Too late. Looks like they've already converted ( http://www.uline.com/ ).
On Feb 5, 2008 9:23 AM, Cutter (CFRelated) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This morning I read something disturbing. Weekly I get InformationWeek,
> which really caters more to CIOs and SysAds more than developers. That's
> p
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