Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-29 Thread Andrew Grosset
SP2. The work around is to route your CF Admin Datasource connection through an MS ODBC socket, whatever that is... instructions can be found here: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6threadid=934725enterthread=y Then in the Railo server Administrator, Create

Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Andrew Grosset
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should/could be improved: http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ Andrew. ~| Get involved in the latest ColdFusion discussions, product

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread AJ Mercer
Yeah, thats what I figured too Brain. You are still sending an SQL statement to the database CF still has to check for a connection to the db server and open one if required CF still has to wait for the data to come back So the factor from CF side of things is how quickly it can get the SQL

RE: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Dave Watts
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should/could be improved: http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ This test appears to be a sequential set of requests. Unless you're only going to have one request at a time in your application, tests

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
, the tests were indeed run as concurrent, under load tests. My own observations were definitely not done in any kind of scientific manner, I just ran my application on CF8 versus Railo with the same MySQL database and had about a 4-to-5-fold decrease in run times on average. I've run into some

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread dcooper
I posted this but it hasn't been published: = It’s hardly fair to post a set of performance benchmarks without full open disclosure, including everything needed to reproduce the test results. Please post all this and I can promise you the CF team will respond (I run it). Thanks!

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-27 Thread David Low
Actually it has (I had comment pre-moderation turned on, without realising) - Damon, I've left you an email too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I posted this but it hasn't been published: = It’s hardly fair to post a set of performance benchmarks without full open

Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Andrew Grosset
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be improved: http://david.low.me.uk/2007/06/25/another-cfml-speed-contest/ Andrew. ~| ColdFusion 8 beta - Build next generation apps today, with easy

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Brian Kotek
Actually, in my experience using stored procedures provides negligible speed improvements over cfquery. This is due to the fact that modern databases cache execution plans and support prepared statements. There are reasons one might want to use stored procedures, but speed increases over cfquery

RE: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Robert Harrison
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be improved: That cool, but any speed issues with CFQUERY are easily overcome by using stored procedures. Been trying to move the them as much as possible. Robert B. Harrison Director of Interactive services Austin

Re: Railo and CF8 speed contest

2007-07-26 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
Interesting, I've always thought that CF connections to a database should be improved: I've been doing some testing with the Railo 2 beta as well to see how well CFWebstore ran on it, and was likewise thrilled with how fast it is. Blazing fast! I'm going to continue testing to make sure

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-09 Thread Mark Drew
I disagree with this in this market. Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference apart from perception. This community (I am sorry if I offend anybody) doesn't have the number of people that can program in Java yet. I have had a few people offer to help with CFEclipse

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-09 Thread Gert Franz
don't want this to happen to Railo. In the Java world nobody cares about CF. So why should a really good programmer dig into our code for error checking etc. Gert Mark Drew schrieb: I disagree with this in this market. Railo could go open-source, but it wouldn't make much difference apart from

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Andy Matthews
in Railo hosting? Indeed, and you always will as in all reality it will be Adobe who define the CFML language (albeit not official) and any competing engine will always be behind that set. Of course there are times when new systems provide additional functionality but any one expecting CFML

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Doug Brown
Railo) but there is alot of other stuff such as failover, load balancing, clustering flash integration that are going to be big players in people making a switch, unless you are talking about the mom pop clients. There is indeed alot of growing room for these two competitors. I really do not care what

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Gert Franz
I agree, thank you Andy. We first plan to buy Adobe and then Microsoft, if they don't implement some of our features :-) We will adapt everything the market needs in order to make switches from another engine to Railo as easy as possible. Large CMS like Contens, a sophisticated MachII

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Tom Chiverton
On Thursday 08 Feb 2007, Andy Matthews wrote: Adobe and Macromedia ALWAYS leapfrogged each other in features until of course Adobe bought MM. There's no reason why Adobe can't implement features from other engines. cough cfthread cfinterface ... -- Tom Chiverton Helping to confidentially

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-08 Thread Tero Pikala
At least CFC instances can't be replicated by underlying J2EE platform since they can't implement serializable interface. there. (If you need session replication at least). Also, from what I've been told, session replication doesn't work reliably with CF, although I have not experienced

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dale Fraser
less expensive you might have a case, but it's marginally less expensive with less features. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 6:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Hi all

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Just a tiny hint is this... http://www.markdrew.co.uk/blog/index.cfm/2006/11/27/Comparing-Component-speed-on-different-CFML-engines Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List / Treten Sie unserer Mailingliste bei

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs on the whole with components/structures, there are far too many factors not accounted for and in the authors own words, should be taken with a pinch of salt and are not scientific. For one, it was on a Mac and I doubt

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Hi Dale, here my comments to your concerns: 1. security Railo does not claim to be absolutely secure in terms of weaknesses or security holes. Nor do we claim to be more secure than other engines in this terms. But just give me your thoughts about these matters: How do you prevent users from

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
would encourage such a test, but I won't do it myself. My quote about performance is just something our customers and as well we seem to see. Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb: Well, this is by no means an indicator of how well or bad CF/Railo performs on the whole with components/structures

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point. I am not putting Railo down in any way, I will never use it, but to say it is faster just on observation is just wrong unless backed up by proper tests

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dale Fraser
unheard of, I have no such issues convincing businesses to spend 10k on Adobe products however. Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 7:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Hi Dale

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Well Dale, the question was about hosting :-) Railo will make it's way. I'm sure, but it will take time... Gert Dale Fraser schrieb: Hey gert, All those items you list are only relevant to hosting providers, most users don't do this, a very small percentage. I use it in a corporate

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
I hope somewhen you will revert the statement I will never use it :-) Why don't you observe it yoursef? Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) schrieb: Indeed, so if I said ColdFusion was faster than Railo at everything then there would be just as much basis in that - this is my point. I am not putting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions. Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Gert Franz To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Feb 07 09:18:35 2007 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? I hope somewhen you

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Gert Franz said: I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for: - security I don't care about security as long as my part in the whole

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil, i can easily post why this is: Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support the following. 1: cfset a = structNew() 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting... ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
That indeed was and is true. But since changes could be easily be made, I don't agree to change the behaviour of Railo in order to support this syntax and loose performance in exchange. Gert Rick Root schrieb: On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Neil, i can easily post

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting... ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright
Rick Root wrote: For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting... The combination of a open source shared hosting optimized CF runtime is where I see some possibilities. Perhaps if one of the big hosting companies (HMS or GoDaddy seem like likely

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread James Holmes
Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud? On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
and that it takes longer for community acceptance. Doug B. - Original Message - From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? why? what's the difference between open source

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
lol ;) Doug B. - Original Message - From: James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rey Bango
Hah! h4x0r! ;o) Rey... James Holmes wrote: Not much when you have a decompiler on hand :-) Oops, did I say that out loud? On 2/7/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: For what it's worth, if Railo went open

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Doug Brown said: A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community helping to develop the project, Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people have said they would actually help? Jochem

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jim Wright
Doug Brown wrote: MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also develop their software and reduce their costs. Free and closed source simply means that we have to wait for you to implemnt

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Doug Brown said: A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community helping to develop the project, Really? Look at that thread about the Smith project. How many people have

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Doug Brown said: A huge difference!! Number one is that you have the entire community helping to develop the project, Really? Look

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth
Most CF people don't have a CS background Where did you get this info from? -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? How many people on this list are actually

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Doug Brown wrote: MySql offers an open source product and were able to grow their client base while at the same time having the people that downloaded their software also develop their software and reduce

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other vendors, they could easily adapt our code And just like James posted. If you have a decompiler etc. it is already open source. Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Customer Care Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
up a poll somewhere and test out this hypothesis? Russ -Original Message- From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Most CF people don't have a CS background Where did

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other vendors, they could easily adapt our code Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they would also still be charging a wholloping price for their product. Doug B. - Original Message

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just as popular? A. Better performing code B. Cheaper development C. Cheaper hosting D. Other (Explain) Doug

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
That's my point... Thanks Doug... Doug Brown schrieb: If we open source Railo and we would be faster in some cases than other vendors, they could easily adapt our code Sure they could adopt your code and make their product faster, but they would also still be charging a wholloping

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Doug Brown
still have a enterprise edition that you charge for albeit at a lower price. Doug B. - Original Message - From: Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:32 AM Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? That's my

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Turetsky, Seth
, 2007 10:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just in general working and talking with CF people and at conferences. It seems to me that because CF is so easy to learn, a lot of the people using it are coming from non CS backgrounds. Now it might be just people I'm

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just as popular? A. Better performing

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
, February 07, 2007 8:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? why? what's the difference between open source and free? Rick Root schrieb: For what it's worth, if Railo went open source.. now *THAT* would be interesting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Eric Haskins
, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just as popular? A. Better performing code B. Cheaper

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
But that's the thing Gert... If you DO open source it, nothing would change on your end except that people who WANT to get involved COULD get involved. So even if no one decided to help out, you wouldn't be losing anything. And you never know...people could jump on board and Railo could get

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web development, and what can be done to make CF just as popular

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Andy Matthews said: Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use. No it doesn't. Even the most viral licenses for software only require

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
I also think that while there's a decent amount of KICKING CF projects, there needs to be WAY more, and they need to be way better publicized. Look at the stuff that 37 Signals is doing. They're totally piggybacking on the popularity of Rails and offering up this fantastic software that just

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Andy Matthews
Okay...thanks for correcting me Jochem. I didn't realize the difference. -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Andy Matthews said: Open source means

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more complicated and therefore will have more bugs. That's a fairly ridiculous assertion -- first of all that one specific language is more complicated than another and second that complexity = bugs.

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Jordan Michaels
them. Russ -Original Message- From: Doug Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Just a side note, or question...What reasons do people think that asp/php has the stronghold on web

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:28 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? On 2/7/07, Eric Haskins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and neither is that fact that ASP/PHP code is more

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Open source means you're offering up the source code for anyone to modify. It also means that when someone modifies your source code, they have to give it back to the community (you) for others to use. Depends on the license. I use the BSD

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:40 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Russ wrote: I don't think PHP has any sort of session management, so it's not even a contender

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread John Paul Ashenfelter
I don't think anyone is saying that PHP is more or less prone to bugs because it's open. PHP (the language) has its own bugs/CF has it's own, but I wasn't talking about the bugs in the language itself. I was talking about bugs in the code. CF is so simple, that a lot of non-technical people

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
I was talking about bugs in code too -- SQL injection, XSS, bad logic, etc. And I'd argue personally and professionally using dozens of sites I've been hired to work on as a basis, that since CF *is* so simple, it's more likely that there are deadly bugs in the code -- even now, years

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Rick Root
On 2/7/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Escaping quotes does make SQL injection a little harder, but far from impossible. cfparam name=url.id default=0; delete from myTable; cfquery ... select * from myTable where id=#url.id# /cfquery If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
cfparam name=url.id default=0; delete from myTable; cfquery ... select * from myTable where id=#url.id# /cfquery If I'm not mistaken - that would only work in SQL Server, right? cuz only SQL server lets you pass through multiple queries all at once. Well, it's a bit more complicated

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
Yikes, wasn't expecting this big a response! (If only it was full of people saying YES!) Matt Quackenbush wrote: At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would anyone want to go backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF MX. I'm sure

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
Will you be waiting for version 1.1? I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7 I'll be going with the latest stable release. Whether that starts of being 1.1 depends on how soon that is released and how long it takes to get myself sorted. If I'm ready before 1.1 then I'll start with 1.0

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
You can read the full thing here: http://blog.bpsite.net/index. php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 Ooops, URL got chopped. Should be everything inside the brackets... [ http://blog.bpsite.net/index.php/Why%20Railo.html?itemid=24 ]

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Dave Watts
There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get into that, can you give an example of an important CFMX feature that Railo lacks? Flash Remoting? Event Gateway? Recordsets from stored procedures? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
from stored procedures? Fair enough. Not something I've needed in my personal stuff, but we do use them at work, and it'd probably be a pain trying to solve it without cfstoredproc. There are plenty of reasons to use Railo, but before I get into that, can you give an example of an important CFMX

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Flash Remoting is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is included. Railo 1.1 Event gateways: we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for others :-) Recordsets from stored procedures: In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Gert Franz
Sorry Railo 1.1 will support calls to .cfc's as well... Gert Franz schrieb: Flash Remoting is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is included. Railo 1.1 Event gateways: we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for others

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Feb 07 22:52:30 2007 Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? Flash Remoting is supported by Railo 1.0. But only the calls to .cfm files. A AMF Filter is included. Railo 1.1 Event gateways: we won't implement this feature yet. We need to leave arguments for others

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread Peter Boughton
In 1.0 it is possible to call stored procedures in cfquery. Railo 1.1 will support cfstoredproc* I thought that was the case, but I did a quick test with MySQL 5 and it didn't appear to work. The procedure was just a sample one I found: CREATE PROCEDURE molo() SELECT 'Molo'; And when trying

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-07 Thread AJ Mercer
For stored procedure Railo has cfstoredproc* Just like Adobe CFMX from online help !--- This view-only example executes a Sybase stored procedure that returns three result sets, two of which we want. The stored procedure returns the status code and one output parameter, which we display. We

Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Peter Boughton
Hello. In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo Enterprise, and offer Railo hosting. (for those unaware of what Railo is, it's a really excellent CFML engine, better than all other CFML engines

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Matt Quackenbush
At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would anyone want to go backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high percentage of CFers out there when I say, Thank God we're not in the pre-MX days anymore

RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Dale Fraser
: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? At the risk of sounding like a complete [EMAIL PROTECTED]!, why would anyone want to go backwards and use Railo? I mean, it's still not even compatible with CF MX. I'm sure I speak for an extremely high

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Doug Brown
No comment... Doug B. - Original Message - From: Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: RE: Anyone interested in Railo hosting? I agree, unless your giving it away, I wouldn't pay for hosting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread AJ Mercer
Will you be waiting for version 1.1? I believe that will be very close to Adobe CF 7 On 2/7/07, Peter Boughton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. In a month or two I'll be getting a dedicated server, and I've had a thought: maybe I should go for the next server spec up, get Railo Enterprise

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Rick Root
, but only because BlueDragon 6.2 is almost completely compatible with CFMX 6.1 - and most of the stuff I write for the open source world, I try to make compatible with Bluedragon - and it's not that difficult. As for Railo... I've never worked with it, but I know that Gert has sent me changes

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Gert Franz
Hi all together, I read all the posts from you guys saying that there should be no reason to host Railo since it is only compatible to version MX 6.1. And you know you are absolutely right, if you do not care for: - security - performance - price Why do people still start new hosting

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
I dunno, CF4.5 and CF5 were solid. MX was crap in every way, 6.1 and up... Solid again. But yeah, I am not sure how anyone can say that Railo is better than any other CFML engine in every way?! This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
for CFFM because CFFM out of the box doesn't work with Railo. Who's fault is that? Does CFFM work on ColdFusion and BD with no changes? Surely if it is CFML then it should be Adobe based CFML as the benchmark, guide. N This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Gert Franz
Hi Neil, i can easily post why this is: Railo, for a good reason which I will post down below does not support the following. 1: cfset a = structNew() 2: cfset a[sub.subkey] = John 3: cfset b = a.sub.subkey --- this throwhs an error since a does not contain a key named sub. It just contains

Re: Anyone interested in Railo hosting?

2007-02-06 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Interesting, surely you should get Adobe to change ColdFusion to be as fast as Railo (though I haven't seen or used Railo so I would have take your work that it is faster!) This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom

Railo blog launched

2006-12-14 Thread Gert Franz
Hi all, if you like to have a look at our recently started blog. Just go to http://www.railo.ch/blog If you have any comments or suggestions, just let us know. -- Greetings / Grüsse Gert Franz Railo development Railo Technologies GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.railo.ch Join our Mailing List

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Well Railo is at the moment nearly MX 6.1 compatible. With the release of 1.1 it will be nearly MX 7.02 compatible. And it will include some of the features thought for CFMX 8 and BD 8. Like Server surveylance. And of course much more. So i think, regarding performance, pricing and flexibility

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Message- From: Gert Franz To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Sep 04 09:09:56 2006 Subject: Re: Getting started with Railo Well Railo is at the moment nearly MX 6.1 compatible. With the release of 1.1 it will be nearly MX 7.02 compatible. And it will include some of the features thought for CFMX 8 and BD 8. Like

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) wrote: Can Railo seriously compete in the ColdFusion market? What with BD (I think) and ColdFusion already hitting version 7 - with 8 not too far off, and Railo not even 6.1 compatible yet, doesn't it seem a lot of effort for no gain? I pretty much only use Railo

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Well Adobe is way beyond our scale. You could compare our size to half as big as BD. But we definitely want to grow beyond that. A list of prices of Railo you can find here: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=137 There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other engines support

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other engines | support. | - Like Jochem wrote separating Webs logically on a dedicated server is | one of them. | - Deploying Railo Application as easy to customize archives | - permanent use of JSP taglibs | - writing of own tag

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
webroot. Just use the local administrator to configure your local settings and the server administrator for the global ones. Cheers Gert | There are a lot of features Railo has, that none of the other engines | support. | - Like Jochem wrote separating Webs logically on a dedicated server

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| Yes, you ar right. If you have a better name for it, just let me know. | With the term web we mean a webroot. A folder containing web files. | In fact it is not the same as a virtual host, since many virtual hosts | can point to the same webroot. | But you can separate all the settings for

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Rick Faircloth
Ditto... -Original Message- From: Hugo Ahlenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 7:54 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Getting started with Railo | Yes, you ar right. If you have a better name for it, just let me know. | With the term web we mean a webroot

Re: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Gert Franz
Hi again, I added a paragraph in the FAQ section concerning Railo webs. I hope it is comprehensive. http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm?treeID=139 I hope it clarifies the confusion about webs. Gert ~| Introducing the Fusion

RE: Getting started with Railo

2006-09-04 Thread Snake
So I take it RAILO is like Bluedragon, it is another CFML application server that runs on top of a J2EE server like JRUN, and not an addon for Coldfusion ? -Original Message- From: Gert Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 September 2006 14:11 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Getting

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