2901

2001-02-18 Thread Craig Lindstrom
Can a 2901 do layer3 switching with an external router? Craig Lindstrom "Build a man a fire and you keep him warm for an evening, set a man on fire and you keep him warm for the rest of his life." _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription

Re: 2901

2001-02-19 Thread Circusnuts
Same precess as a Cat5K withought the RSM. Yes Phil - Original Message - From: "Craig Lindstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: 2901 > Can a 2901 do layer3 switching with an external router? >

Re: 2901

2001-02-19 Thread Raj Singh
> Phil > > - Original Message - > From: "Craig Lindstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:35 AM > Subject: 2901 > > > > Can a 2901 do layer3 switching with an external router? > > >

Re: 2901

2001-02-20 Thread Adrian Chew
Believe the original poster was actually looking for multi-layer switching (MLS)... the 2901 lacks this capability. You'll need a 2926G (note the G!), or a Catalyst 5000 with Sup3/NFFC/NFFCII, Sup IIG, Sup IIIG... or a 6000 with Sup+PFC. ""Raj Singh"" <[EMAIL

Catalyst 2901

2000-11-26 Thread Han Nguyen
Can someone please tell me how do I know what version of FW and SW on the Cat2901 will support Cat 5000 IOS (cmd set)? Thanks. Han. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violatio

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-26 Thread Brian
On Sun, 26 Nov 2000, Han Nguyen wrote: > Can someone please tell me how do I know what version of FW and SW on the > Cat2901 will support Cat 5000 IOS (cmd set)? cat2901's use the same software as a cat5000whatever version you are running, is the same version, same code, same commands, a

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Ronald James
so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is it worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does the cat2901 support slot modules? "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > On Sun, 26 Nov 2000,

RE: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Daniel Cotts
The 2901 is a fixed config switch. The modules are screwed in. I would not be surprised if you could remove a module and substitute another. Has anyone tried? The modules in mine obviously have had the removal levers eliminated. They also have a line of small holes drilled across the top

RE: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Rob Mears (c)
buy the 3500, you will like it -Original Message- From: Ronald James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Catalyst 2901 so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is it worth to purchase

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Brian
On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Ronald James wrote: > so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is > it worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does > the cat2901 support slot modules? yes its worth it. Although the 2901 does have &quo

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Tony van Ree
worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does > > the cat2901 support slot modules? > > yes its worth it. > > Although the 2901 does have "slot modules" its essentailly a fixed > configuration...a Supervisor 1, with a WS-X5213A blade

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-27 Thread Tony van Ree
> > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Ronald James wrote: > > > > > so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is > > > it worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does > > > the cat2901 support slot modules? > &g

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-28 Thread Kevin Wigle
t;[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Ronald James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, 28 November, 2000 00:05 Subject: Re: Catalyst 2901 > I was under the impression you need to go to a 5500 to ATM card capability. > > Teunis > > On Monday, November 27

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-28 Thread Brian
; > > so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is > > > it worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does > > > the cat2901 support slot modules? > > > > yes its worth it. > > > > Although the

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-28 Thread Duane Morgan
; > > > > > so, let say if I am looking for a switch adding to my existing network, is > > > > it worth to purchase cat2901 instead of an expensive cat5000? Also, does > > > > the cat2901 support slot modules? > > > > > > yes its worth it.

Re: Catalyst 2901

2000-11-28 Thread Brian
MI was talking about switches that are in the Cat5000 family though. the Cat5000 family of switches includes the 2926T, 2901, 2902, 5000, 5002, 5500, etc. It does not include the 2900XL, 2820, 3900, etc. Brian > > May require further investigation. > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, Bri

Cat 2901 problems

2000-06-01 Thread Jon Creasey
Hi, Can anyone here help with a problem i'm having with my cat 2901. I successfully upgraded the supervisor from 2.1 to 2.4 as instyructed in the upgrade instructions (basically copy tftp flash) and rebooted. the cat came back fine however when I then tried to do and upgrade to 3.2 o

FS: Catalyst 2901 switch

2000-12-01 Thread Brian
Someone had posted earlier in the week wanting to know where to get a Catalyst 2901 switch, which is like a Catalyst 5002 with a Supervisor 1 and a 5213A blade (12 10/100 ports). I have one for sale for $1800.00 Brian --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP

Catalyst 2901 vs 2926T

2000-10-25 Thread Brian
According to http://www.kmj.com/cisco/2900.html The Catalyst 2926T supports Fast Etherchannel on its supervisor ports. The 2901 does not. Isn't a 2926T really a Supervisor 1 WS-X3009 and a WS-X5224 24 port 10/100 blade? And isn't a 2901 really a Supervisor 1 WS-X3009 and a WS-X52

Reverse Telnet to 2901

2000-11-01 Thread Brian
I am using a 2511 to reverse telnet into my lab. Everything works fine except the Catalyst 2901. If I hook a cisco console cable from the 2901 to my pc, it works fine. If I use my 2511 to console into it, it doesn't work: r2511#s2901 Trying s2901 (192.168.1.1, 2006)... % Connection re

Cisco 2901 on Ebay

2000-06-06 Thread Tam, Jin
I will be ending the auction early for this item, http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=346631831 The auction will end Wednesday June 7, 2000 at 2:00PM Central Time because I have to be in NY next week. Sorry, if this is a inconvenience. ___ UPDA

Cisco Catalyst 2901 for sale!!!

2001-01-18 Thread Cisco_Stuff
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1208830259 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

WTB: Catalyst 2901/2926T/5000

2000-10-25 Thread Brian
I am building my home lab, and I am in need of one of the following. I am willing to pay the following prices: Catalyst 5000, power supply, supervisor 1, 12 port 10/100 $2000 Catalyst 2926T $2000 Catalyst 2901 $1500 If anyone can help me out please drop me an email

Re: Reverse Telnet to 2901

2000-11-01 Thread Adrian Chew
drian "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I am using a 2511 to reverse telnet into my lab. Everything works fine > except the Catalyst 2901. > > If I hook a cisco console cable from the 2901 to my pc, it

Re: Reverse Telnet to 2901

2000-11-01 Thread Brian
message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > I am using a 2511 to reverse telnet into my lab. Everything works fine > > except the Catalyst 2901. > > > > If I hook a cisco console cable from the 2901 to my pc, it works fine. If > > I use m

Re: Reverse Telnet to 2901

2000-11-01 Thread Veronica Tebbe
fine except the Catalyst 2901. If I hook a cisco console cable from the 2901 to my pc, it works fine.  If I use my 2511 to console into it, it doesn't work: r2511#s2901 Trying s2901 (192.168.1.1, 2006)... % Connection refused by remote host What has to be done to connect to the cat

2926 or 2901? [7:12462]

2001-07-16 Thread Stephen Flint
Hi, Would someone respond to my question regarding the CAT 2926 or 2901? Do these routers really have the same set commands as the CAT 5000s? And if so what do these routers usually sell for? Thanks, Steve Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=12462&

Cisco Catalyst 2901 on Ebay.

2000-05-31 Thread Tam, Jin
Well, I've been putting off using Ebay for so long, time to make use of it. I put up a Catalyst 2901 for sale on Ebay. Anyone interested in buying one for studying, please take a look at it. It's in perfect condition since I've only used it for studying myself. http://cgi.

Catalyst 2926 and 2901 Sup Versions

2001-03-06 Thread Mark Holloway
I researched the archives and saw a conflict. Anyone mind advising? Catalyst 2901 = Sup I Catalyst 2926T = Sup ? (I or II) Regards, Mark _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and

2 CISCO CATALYST 2901 for sale!

2001-01-03 Thread Cisco_Stuff
some toys for you all interest in your CCNP/CCIE. 2 CISCO CATALYST 2901 for sale! best offer takes all. will be release immediately if someone offers $5,000! 20mb dram 4mb flash 256 nvram great condition! _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http

Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-01-05 Thread Gordon Olson
I am looking for a 2520 router and 2901 Switch. I have been watching ebay for the last few weeks without success. ebay has 24 pages of stuff, no 2520, lots of 2521's. Does anyone have any recommedations on where I might look? I have found several different resellers but no one returns my e

Catalyst 2901 IOS Upgrade ??? Pls Help!!

2000-11-15 Thread Ash Aslam
Hiya all, I have a Cisco 2901 Switch. When I bought the Switch it had IOS version 2.1(8) loaded. The Switch was working great until I decided to install IOS 4.5(5), so that I can practice ISL/Trunking. I upgraded the Supervisor module to version 4.5(5) as follows: 100BaseTX Supervisor WS

RE: 2926 or 2901? [7:12462]

2001-07-16 Thread Hire, Ejay
]] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2926 or 2901? [7:12462] Hi, Would someone respond to my question regarding the CAT 2926 or 2901? Do these routers really have the same set commands as the CAT 5000s? And if so what do these routers usually sell for? Thanks

Re: 2926 or 2901? [7:12462]

2001-07-16 Thread Marc Russell
Yes, they have the same command set as the 5000s. We use 2901s in our 5-day CCIE class. Marc Russell www.ccbootcamp.com ""Stephen Flint"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi, > > Would someone respond to my questio

Switch 2901 Password Recovery - Pls help !!

2000-09-08 Thread Ashfaq Aslam
Hi, I have lost my password for Cisco 2901 Switch. Can someone please tell me how to do a password recovery for Cisco 2901 Swich? Thanks for your help !!! Rgds, Ash **NOTE: New CCNA/CCDA List has been formed. For more information go to http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associate

Cat 2901 for sale - UK only

2000-06-04 Thread Andy Harding
Anyone interested in a Catalyst 2901 for lab study?   "Classic" Catalyst command line as per Cat 5000/5500, 600/6500.  Supervisor I with 2 X 100-base-T/MII, line card with 12 X 10/100-base-T.  Supports VLANs, ISL, trunking, FEC, etc.   Great lab switch - sad to sell but have

Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-02-18 Thread Brian
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Gordon Olson wrote: > I am looking for a 2520 router and 2901 Switch. I have been watching ebay > for the last few weeks without success. ebay has 24 pages of stuff, no 2520, > lots of 2521's. > > Does anyone have any recommedations on where I migh

RE: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-02-18 Thread Dave
ginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brian Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Gordon Olson wrote: > I am looking for a 2520 router and 2901 Switch. I h

Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-02-18 Thread Circusnuts
with the prices I've seen on both the 2901 & 2526's, I'm not so sure I wouldn't add 5002 or 5005 your list (might be cheaper with a little homework)... Phil - Original Message - > From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Bri

Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-02-20 Thread Adrian Chew
I've seen 2926s that sell for under $2k on Ebay - the 2901 is about as ugly a switch as you can find (yeah it does the job, but for $200 or so differences, just ain't worth it). Also seen 5002s that go for under $2k on Ebay. Patience is the key though. Don't get why everyone l

Re: Catalyst 2926 and 2901 Sup Versions

2001-03-06 Thread Tony van Ree
Hi, I think what this is saying is that the 2901 can only use a supervisor I and the 2926T can use either a SUP I or II Just a thought. Teunis Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 09:25:33 AM, Mark Holloway wrote: > I researched the archives and saw a conflict. Any

Re: Catalyst 2926 and 2901 Sup Versions

2001-03-06 Thread Circusnuts
p; real world applications requiring a Catalyst type product would seek to use neither a Sup1 or 2. .02 Phil - Original Message - From: "Tony van Ree" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mark Holloway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, Ma

Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-01-05 Thread Ronald James
2926T ""Gordon Olson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I am looking for a 2520 router and 2901 Switch. I have been watching ebay > for the last few weeks without success. ebay has 24 pages of stuff, no

Re: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch

2001-01-06 Thread Circusnuts
PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 11:21 PM Subject: Looking for 2520 Router - 2901 Switch > I am looking for a 2520 router and 2901 Switch. I have been watching ebay > for the last few weeks without success. ebay has 24 pages of stuff, no 2520, >

RE: 2901 switch image upgrade [7:35137]

2002-03-07 Thread mike rose
Ass hole Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=37629&t=35137 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OT: 2901 switch for sale [7:33632]

2002-01-29 Thread Michael Williams
5000s/5500s, I don't have a need for this switch at home. (watch for URL wrap) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329209228 Thanks, Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=33632&t=33632 -- FAQ

Re: Switch 2901 Password Recovery - Pls help !!

2000-09-08 Thread Dale Holmes
Go here... http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/474/index.shtml Dale [=`) >From: Ashfaq Aslam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Ashfaq Aslam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Switch 2901 Password Recovery -

FS: Cat 5000/2901 switches from my lab

2001-01-26 Thread jon . mccoy
ok them up for internet access, for the buyer(s) to check them out. I have two 2901's, each with Sup1 and a 10/100 module I have a 5000 with a Sup1 and A/C PS, no other modules I bought these at different times over the past two years, the 2901's for use as workgroup switches, and the 500

Command history on a Catalyst 2901 Non-XL

2000-09-05 Thread whatshakin
Is there a command I can use to make a Catalyst 2901 (non XL) show me my previously entered commands by using keystrokes like the up arrow (VT-100) etc.  I would rather not have to type 'his' end enter !#of command I wish if possible.  I hazzard a guess this is the same as a Cat

compatibility module switching between 2901 5000 [7:25182]

2001-11-03 Thread marcus jensen
I've read here and on Cisco's website that the 2901 is Exactly a cat5 with sup1 and a ws-5213, this is fine. BUT, I've got conflicting reports from groupstudy posts whether a ws-5213 can do ISL trunking or not, thusly everyone goes for ws-5213a. I can't seem to confirm thi

Re: Catalyst 2926 and 2901 Sup Versions [7:3366]

2001-05-06 Thread Brian
I believe 2926T is SupII, since it supports FEC (unlike the Sup1/2901) Brian On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Mark Holloway wrote: > I researched the archives and saw a conflict. Anyone mind advising? > > > Catalyst 2901 = Sup I > > Catalyst 2926T = Sup ? (I or II) >

Cisco 4500 Router, 2901 Switch, etc up for sell

2000-06-05 Thread Thomas Trygar
Selling Cisco 4500 Router, 2901 Switch, HP Netservers Cisco 2901 Switch with the following modules: 100BaseTX Supervisor 12-port 10/100BaseTX Ethernet Cisco 4500 router with the following modules/equipment: 4-Port Serial NPM (NP-4T) 2-Port Token Ring NPM (NP-2R) 1 free module slot 4 Serial Back

Cisco 4500 Router, 2901 Switch, etc up for grabs

2000-06-05 Thread Thomas Trygar
Cisco 2901 Switch with the following modules: 100BaseTX Supervisor 12-port 10/100BaseTX Ethernet Cisco 4500 router with the following modules/equipment: 4-Port Serial NPM (NP-4T) 2-Port Token Ring NPM (NP-2R) 1 free module slot 4 Serial Back-to-Back Cables HP Netserver E45 266MHz including the

Cisco 4500 Router, 2901 Switch, etc up for grabs

2000-06-07 Thread Thomas Trygar
Use the following linnk to find all auctions: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=trygar&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Cisco 2901 Switch with the following modules: - 100BaseTX Supervisor - 12-port 10/100BaseTX Ethernet Cisco 4500 route

compatibility of 2902/2901 ' s chassis with 5002's module

2000-08-01 Thread folks
Hi Group I am about to buy a 2901 switch,but the seller said he had installed a supervisor I on a chassis marked as 2902 series and it does boot up without any pain? does any one know whether or how much the 2901/2902's chassis is compatible with 5000 series modules ,say , install a supe

Trading 2511 router and Catalyst 1924EN for Catalyst 2901 [7:3957]

2001-05-09 Thread Frank Kim
Hi folks, I would like to trade my 2511(terminal server) router that comes with 16megs of flash and 16megs of dram and my Catalyst 1924 EN menu-driven switch for a Catalyst 2900 that does CatOS or a CAT5000. I don't mind paying a bit extra for the CAT5000. Please reply if interested. -Frank

Catalyst 3524 with two GBICS trading for Catalyst 2901 [7:4813]

2001-05-16 Thread Frank Kim
Hi folks, I got a Catalyst 3524 with two GBIC modules and two fiber cable that I would like to trade for a Catalyst 2901 or an equivalent switch that can do ISL/802.1Q and CatOS. Or if you feel you got a decen/equivalent in value router that you like to trade, please email me directly. -Frank

Using a cisco 2901 switch for CCNP/CCIE exams [7:10068]

2001-06-26 Thread Robert Rojas
I am currently studying for the BCMSN exam and hope to pursue the CCIE in the future. I want a switch at home that I can use to study the set-based commands that Cisco will drill me on. Does anyone recommend purchasing a 2901 instead of going with the CAT 5000 switch which is considerably more

RE: compatibility of 2902/2901 ' s chassis with 5002's module

2000-08-01 Thread Daniel Cotts
I believe that the 2901 is the same as a 5002 except that the 5002 has modules held in with screws and the 2901 uses a different fastener (torx?). Modules that work in the 5000 series should work in the 2901. I doubt that a SupIII would work in a 2901 as the backplane is different

Re: Using a cisco 2901 switch for CCNP/CCIE exams [7:10068]

2001-06-27 Thread Circusnuts
The 2901 is the same device, it just has less shelves. @ the time I purchased my 5000 it was cheaper to take that route. Generally- the 5002's & 2901's are more expensive on Ebay, because they are more compact & usually come outfitted. The 5000's are almost always pa

Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-01-30 Thread Jeff Kelly
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Re: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-01-30 Thread Tony van Ree
Hi, Don't the cat2900's (NOT XL's all look that way.) The 2926, 2901 are 5000 series based as I understood it. At least the ones I am viewing are. Teunis, Hobart, Tasmania Australia On Wednesday, January 31, 2001 at 01:18:43 PM, J

Re: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-01-30 Thread Flem
That is correct . 2901 , 2902 are based on supI 2926F , 2926T are based of supII 2926G based of supIII flem --- Tony van Ree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Don't the cat2900's (NOT XL's all look that way.) > > The 2926, 2901 are 5000 series based

RE: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-01-30 Thread Nick Payton
As are the 2948G series too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony van Ree Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:48 PM To: Jeff Kelly; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch Hi, Don&#

RE: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-01-30 Thread Stuart Potts
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nick Payton Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch As are the 2948G series too. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Has anyone seen a 2901 that has the same i.o.s as 5000 switch

2001-02-09 Thread Victor Oisaghie
Jeff, Technically, the 2901 is part of the C5000 Family of products (Its replacement was the C5002) and runs the same CATOS as the 5000. I don't remember the version in which support for the 2901 stops, but you could have a 2901 and a 5002 running CATOS 2.3. So the answer to your question i

1601+2501 routers trading for a 2621 router or a Catalyst 2901 [7:3882]

2001-05-09 Thread Frank Kim
Hi folks, I have a 1601 router with 4meg flash and 16meg dram and a 2501 router with 16megs of flash and 16megs of dram that I would like to trade for either a Catalyst 2901 that runs CatOS. Please reply if interested. -Frank Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&a