Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe
what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing
CCIE certification, we should set up a lab for practice as we cannot perform
the necessary configurations on our production networks. The thing you
for
all the details of the CISSP certification process, but what would something
like this do for the CCIE program? It appears to keep the CISSP relavent.
Does it really?
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> Nice of you to take Jeff's words and use them out of context. I believe
> what Jeff meant is that as we are experienced network engineers pursuing
> CCIE certifi
Your comments are false and you sound very ignorant.
I work with guys who have 20 years experience and to trouble shoot a problem
take months. This is because they don't know how the protocols work. How
much money can a company afford to lose when production is downloading for a
considerable amoun
Thompson Alton wrote:
> Your comments are false and you sound very ignorant.
> I work with guys who have 20 years experience and to trouble shoot a
problem
> take months. This is because they don't know how the protocols work. How
> much money can a company afford to lose when production is downl
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> I've seen a goodly number of network administrators who are in positions
of
> power, but
> who don't know even the basics of classful subnetting, VLSM, routing, L2
LAN
> switching,
> and VLANs. (Even some telco ATM techs
ironment.
> Nothing personal, but I just wanted to encourage "lab rats" who've been
> discriminated against and wrongfully labeled by people who feel insecure
> with their career.
>
> Hope that clears things up.
>
> Elmer
>
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> > I've seen a goodly number of network administrators who are in positions
> of
> > power, but
> > who don't know even the basics
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> The fact is, arrogance and insecurity cuts both ways. Both sides (the
> experienced guys and the inexperienced guys) are guilty from time to time.
> And it's bad no matter who's doing it.
Agreed 100%
Mike W.
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It seems to me that this group spends more time bumping it's gums about what
makes a good engineer, than it does discussing the actual engineering.
Yes, I tend to join in myself sometimes. I suppose everybody does it, but I
was just wondering - head count - is anybody actually studying as well as
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> It seems to me that this group spends more time bumping it's gums about
what
> makes a good engineer, than it does discussing the actual engineering.
what was that Star Trek movie - where Jordi's visor is bugged by the
Klin
Well, I don't know if it's a waste of time. Consider this. There might be
some newbie guys who were all gung-ho about grabbing a bunch of certs
because they believed that by doing so they would just be handed a
super-kick-ass job (no doubt some training school told them so). Now
perhaps after r
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> Well, I don't know if it's a waste of time. Consider this. There might
be
> some newbie guys who were all gung-ho about grabbing a bunch of certs
> because they believed that by doing so they would just be handed a
> super-ki
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> > Well, I don't know if it's a waste of time. Consider this. There might
> be
> > some newbie guys who were all gung-ho about grabbing
My how I envy the spare time this posting demonstrates!
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What can I say, when the network is stable, there really isn't a whole lot
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> What can I say, when the network is stable, there really isn't a whole lot
> to do.
>
>
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of a marketing gimic.
Theo
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What can I say, when the network is stable, there really isn&
Don't you guys have a life!? :-) It's Memorial Day for heaven's sake. This
thread has been going on for way too long.
Priscilla
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>Don't you guys have a life!? :-) It's Memorial Day for heaven's sake. This
>thread has been going on for way too long.
>
>Priscilla
>
_I_ spent the day, dealing with sages. Pineapple sage in particular.
As I planted them, I was pleasantly surprised to find some that
survived the winter.
Well, we're following an SMTP version of the film "Of Mice and Men"...
Elmer
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From: "Priscilla Oppenheimer"
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Subject: Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]
> Don't you guys have a life!? :-) It'
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> Aha. Here is the fundamental difference between you and me.
>
> The fact is, certifications are not really an effective foot-in-the-door,
> contrary to popular belief. Yeah yeah, would-be flamers, I just got your
> attention,
>What can I say, when the network is stable, there really isn't a whole lot
>to do.
>
>
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Well, we could always redirect the thread from lab rats to lab
mouses, trackballs
You didn't think that could pass by without a reply, did you?
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> >
> > T
Comments inline.
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Subject: Re: Doyle on Lab Rats [7:44611]
> Keep on reading through my old post, I was getting to the link between
> experience and your network. The nutshell of it is
Michael>
>(speaking of contract firms), I've noticed that regardless of certs or
>experience, it seems many more places are doing a "6-month right-to-hire"
>because it's so hard to really tell from a resume, certs, experience, or
>even an interview if someone really knows what they're doing. So
Unless your union I think most jobs are "at will" positions.
Dave
Peter van Oene wrote:
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> Michael>
>
> >(speaking of contract firms), I've noticed that regardless of certs or
> >experience, it seems many more places are doing a "6-month right-to-hire"
> >because it's so hard to really tell
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