Yes 20 degrees to apparent is really very good, any boat that can sail at 20
degrees to apparent wind is exceptional for sure, a real racer. If I take
my 35 MKII up to 20 degrees apparent I am almost certain she would
practically stop
maybe check the polar diagrams on that 38 WK because 20
seems
My polar stops at 25 AWA, witch is my VMG. At 20 AWA, there is not much speed
left. I did it once to pass a buoy without tacking. I'm not sure I could have
hold it for long.
Pierre Tremblay
Avalanche
CC38-3 WK
De : dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca
I would be very surprised if max VMG (wind) is achieved at 25 degrees
apparent and I would also be very surprised if max VMG to an upwind mark is
achieved at 25 degrees to apparent wind
Pierre if that is so keep your 38 -3
WK forever and race to win
you will have a big advantage over most other
Thats with inboard jib leads and sail about 1 inch off the spreader
and
that setup is not at all fast on my boat
my 35 likes the genoa no less than
3 to 4 inches off the spreader, thats where the upwind grove is for me,
leeward ticklers stream straight back, windward ticklers kicking up
Handicaps *should* show you the difference in performance. These are from
PHRF NE. You should be able to compare the 34+ and Sabre 386 from your
experience (apparently fairly similar). My experience sailing the 35-3
(another Rob Ball design) is that windward performance is great; reaching
and
Just a quick update on the LEDs.
I purchased what I thought were two different colors of the same type of
LED strip from eBay.http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.viewid=320968577841
I think that I would keep the Sabre, but I know the role appearance plays.
Appearance was high on the list of why I purchased my 35 MKII.I love the
appearance and lines which are what I think is called classic Cuthbertson
by some sailors. Classic Plastic, I think they called it in one article I
Thanks - I'm in Centerport. The Sabre 's rating is all over the map these
days. I'm seeing it upward of 120 in some regions for the WK version which is
probably a more realistic number.
John
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 8:54 AM, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote:
I hear you but for whatever reason we've just never fallen in love with the
Sabre. It's a lot of $ tied up.
John
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 9:28 AM, dwight veinot dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca wrote:
I think that I would keep the Sabre, but I know the role appearance plays.
Check out the 34+ and 37+ designs.
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On Apr 18, 2013 9:57 AM, j...@svpaws.net j...@svpaws.net wrote:
I hear you but for whatever reason we've just never fallen in love with
the Sabre. It's a lot of $ tied up.
John
Sent from my iPad
Here is the same table Tim provided with PHRF-NS (Nova Scotia) included, a
somewhat windier location than New England. We do have a few Sabres up
here, but none of the type in question. Tim, do like the advantage you
would get if you raced up here?
Boat PHRF NE Base PHRF NS Base CC 37/40R 63
Hi Ken - we actually had our handicap changed in ECSA (Eastern Long Island
Sound) to 123 this year (I didn't ask...), so am looking forward to the
season (when repairs are complete).
John, I was also going to suggest looking at the 37/40 line - that would
definitely give you a performance lift.
Fred - There is some free software out there, but I created a
spreadsheet named Where The F Is It and leave it on my desktop.
Wal
Fred Hazzard wrote:
Thus, when I want to find a particular item I have to
search the inventory in each locker. Creating a cross reference would help,
but I find
Thanks - I know the 37/40 very well having owned a 34+. The 38 just has my
attention right now.
John
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On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ken - we actually had our handicap changed in ECSA (Eastern Long Island
Sound) to 123 this year (I
It's always something.
Contrary to the one line drawing, Touche's head door opens forward, i.e., the
hinges are on the aft side. The door is a rectangular frame with a vertical
member on either side, a horizontal member top and bottom and 2 intermediate
horizontal members
equidistant from
Dennis,
How about a shock cord and a couple eye straps to slow down the door before
it whacks the door stop?
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:49 PM, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's always something.
Contrary to the one line drawing, Touche's head door opens forward,
I had to redo my door for the same reason.
Joe
Coquina
CC 35 MK I
From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
[joel.aron...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:59 PM
To: Dennis C.; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List
There's a 40 in the Chesapeake area on Craig's List right now, as noted earlier
on the list:
http://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/3724616438.html
I was thinking that would make a nice Bahamas boat, with the keel/centerboard
arrangement.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall
I got an email from the owner. He says the interior is fine and he will
eventually get photos up. I really like the Crusaders, but the layout is
definitely old-school with good seaberths. If your wife wants a dock-condo look
elsewhere.
Joe
Coquina
From:
... but the layout is definitely old-school with good seaberths. If your wife
wants a dock-condo look elsewhere.
Calypso's interior is similar. Great for passages and a bunch of old guys
racing, not so much for the softer side of sailing and while at anchor.
I once sailed a Bendytoy 42 down
Its nothing like the 38.
Fred, you could use a Bahamas boat - or at least part ownership of one!
Joel
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Martin DeYoung mdeyo...@deyoungmfg.comwrote:
… but the layout is definitely old-school with good seaberths. If your
wife wants a dock-condo look elsewhere.
Right now, ANYTHING in the Bahamas would be great. It's been sleeting all
morning, and it just turned into snow. 6-10 forecast for tonight. The marina
200 miles NE of us looks like this today:
http://www.postaudio.net/webserver/byfld3.jpg
The snow hasn't started yet up there, but should any
Holy Crap, it's in the 80's today here in the 2013 Snow Capital!
Living there must be like poking sharp sticks in your eyeballs - feels so
good when you stop!
The weather is better in Anchorage, for crying out loud.
Bill Coleman
CC 39 Erie
From: CnC-List
Okay I just got a price from the yard for a bottom job (he he Thats funny!) A
strip, barrier coat and bottom paint will cost about $ 3,000.00. The sand
blasting will cost between $700 and $900., The barriercoat materials will cost
around $450 including sundries, and the labor around$900.
Thanks, Bill -- I feel much better now… :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Bill Coleman colt...@verizon.net wrote:
Living there must be like poking sharp sticks in your eyeballs – feels so
good
Careful what you wish for Fred.
I just spent a month camping out on a Catalina 27 at Georgetown.
It was not all bad by a long shot, but the boat was unsafe to sail, and so I
stayed at anchor which is pretty much what everyone
does anyway.
A boat in better shape would have improved the
Tim,
Which model boat do you have with a PHRF of 123?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 CC 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
- Original Message -
From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com
To: kenhea...@gmail.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 11:41:39 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 38
He has a 35/3
Joel
35/3
Annapolis
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net wrote:
Tim,
Which model boat do you have with a PHRF of 123?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 CC 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
--
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*To:
Maybe soda blasting is more than sand blasting? I doubt he really meant sand
blasting though right? Isn't that no longer allowed anywhere?
-- Original Message --
From: Chuck S cscheaf...@comcast.net
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List New owner wants a nice healthy
Hee Hee! It's sports car time here.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-04-18, at 15:53, Frederick G Street f...@postaudio.net wrote:
Right now, ANYTHING in the Bahamas would be great. It's been sleeting all
morning, and it just turned into snow. 6-10 forecast for tonight. The
YEAH!!! I just spent all day cleaning and prepping mine for a gathering this
Saturday.
1982 Datsun 280ZX, 5 speed with T-tops, one owner, under 100K miles, 95+%
original. I put on header and exhaust system couple years ago when the
original exhaust manifold warped and popped off the two
1996 BMW Z3. Showroom shape with almost 200,000 km on the clock. Most from
driving to and from the BOAT with tools. Great little car.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-04-18, at 17:44, Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com wrote:
YEAH!!! I just spent all day cleaning and prepping mine for a
With soda blasting water will take care of the media…soda should not be a big
environmental problem anywhere…water will not dissolve sand so the media
persists and will have to be cleaned up…used soda or dry ice and catch the
environmental hazardous paint that is removed and take it for safer
Dennis
I like your car, I had one something like it but I would like it better if
it were one of the older 240Z's.those were the good ones.nowadays if
choosing a best buy for the $ sports car my money would go to the Mazda
Miata.if I had lots of money and space to keep the toy all winter
The other day I was at the boat and there was a little water in the bilge that
was lower than the float switch. I raise the float switch by hand and it will
start the pump and clean out most of the water still standing in the bilge. On
this day something different happened, the water pump
I had a non submersible pump with a hose that lead to a small strainer. It
had a hose clamp, not tape. If I can find the strainer you are welcome to
it
Joel
35/3
Annapolis.
On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:05 PM, TOM VINCENT tvince...@msn.com wrote:
The other day I was at the boat and there was a little
On our boat, it was built with white plastic hose for one of the bilge
pumps. The section that was down deep in the bilge became brittle,
probably due to the occasional presence of a little engine oil. It became
brittle enough to crack off completely. Perhaps the same thing happened to
your
Or just to have a more flexible section of hose near the pickup end, that
white or beige wire reinforced stuff that was used back in the day lasts a
long time but it does not bend to easy
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Got to polish my little 2001 Miata SE... British Racing Green with tan leather
and mahogany steering wheel. I take the twisty roads to the boat!
Andrew Burton
PO Box 632
Newport, RI
USA 02840
+401 965 5260
On Apr 18, 2013, at 16:58, Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com wrote:
The 1989 Merc 560SL
Oh jeez, after 10 Porsches and a few BMW's I'm putting up with a 330ci, 2001.
Not enough sporty roads on the Eastern Shore to justify another Porsche, and
the boat budget makes that a certainty.
But the rear seat folds down so I can haul my model RC sailboats.
It is 70 or so around here, the
All these applications strike me as solutions looking for a problem.
If you spend much time on your boat, chances are you'll know where
everything is. And as long as you don't move it around all the time,
you only have to remember it once.
If you have crew (who can't see into your memory) or
VC17 actually goes on better when it's cool out.
If it's too warm (or windy) the sh*t evaporates like crazy... And at
~$200 a gallon, you don't want that.
Even if it does stay cool, only put a little in the tray at a time, to
minimize evaporation.
Cheers
Colin
On 4/17/13, Stevan Plavsa
1995 BMW 325ic convertible! 60,000 miles! Love that little car! I've had it
for about 10 years now. Amazing condition.Danny
-- Original Message --
From: Knowles Rich r...@sailpower.ca
To: Dennis C. capt...@yahoo.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re:
Oh Man, sweet! I want something like that!
-- Original Message --
From: Tim Goodyear timg...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 38 mkIII - now sports cars
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:58:27 -0400
The 1989 Merc 560SL came out last weekend, but I didn't
Collin: Trust me, I spend a lot of time on Fury. But I constantly find
stuff stowed away that I forgotten I own. It really pisses me off when I go
out buy something only to later find I already had one or more of them.
The waist is a terrible thing to mind.
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
CC 44
And you probably have to fix that Gulfstar more than we have to fix our
CC's so certainly you will know where you keep things...drink wine with
screw caps that is environmentally friendly and easier on cork supplies,
cork is becoming scarce! fFake cork doesn't count
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII,
The BMW 2002tii was a lot of fun
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
_
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djhaug...@juno.com
Sent: April 18, 2013 8:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List CC 38 mkIII -
Been there done that, as a matter of fact did it again just today. I
have been going to do an inventory list since we bought Honey in 1975 and here
it 2013 and the damn list still hasn't been prepared...
Jack Fitzgerald
HONEY - US12788
CC 39TM
Savannah, GA
In a message dated 4/18/2013
That a real nice Miata, but the accolades you speak of really belong to the
TR6.the Miata has better weight distribution, handling and reliability but
the older TR6 strikes a special chord with me
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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I think not having a list and a wonderfully organised life is much more
adventurous than knowing exactly where everything is. You get to search for one
thing and find dozens of other treasures and you know whatever you were hunting
for will show up right after you buy a replacement. And, you
My sister calls it an MG with a warrantee. It's a truly excellent little car
for my budget.
Andy
CC 40
Peregrine
Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI
USA02840
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260
On Apr 18, 2013, at 19:55, dwight veinot
Ouch!
Actually, I would say the amount of maintenance work seems to increase
proportionately with the square of the LOA. Or proportionately with
displacement. (Guys considering moving up in size should keep this in
mind)
Nothing to do with build quality. More to do with the complexity of
I have several boxes of various boat stuff that is referred to as the Calypso
hardware store. I estimate we have 100lbs of new and used SS hardware, enough
electrical connectors to rewire Calypso again, and enough old CC rusty bit to
build a 24 footer.
I split up the boxes to a light weight
Fred
After some recommendations from this list I downloaded “what’s where” and I am
impressed. You can import a drawing of your boat, add labels to various
locations and then build a data base. It is freeware though you can donate if
you desire.
Mike
S/V Persuasion
CC 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault
Well said Colin...I'm not quite up there yet but as my boats have gotten
bigger as the years went by and with more systems on board I have noted a
definite increase in work required...for a while I thought I was just
getting older but that was only fooling myself really
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII,
There's a law that applies to upsizing your boat called the square cube
law: if you double the dimensions of something you quadruple the area and
octuple the mass
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Colin Kilgour charliekilo...@gmail.comwrote:
Ouch!
Actually, I would say the amount of
Actually logic says LOA cubed!That's why I've got a 26 and charter when I sail in foreign countries. Sam SalterCC 26 LiquoriceGhost Lake Alberta
You guys are killing me!
I'm driving a 2003 Honda Pilot! Not even with a sunroof.
4 kids between 8-14 yrs old and a recent divorce have done serious damage to my
'fun money'!!!
My plan to up-size the boat is my bold expenditure. No spare change lying
around for a snazzy 2 seat convertible.
I do
When did logic have any bearing on owning a sailboat?
Chuck
Resolute
1990 CC 34R
Atlantic City, NJ
- Original Message -
From: sam c salter sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 10:12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stowing stuff on your
Aw, Mark. I gotta tell you that some of the best times i recall were when I had
my Tanzer 22 in Montreal. Don't over boat yourself. The kids won't appreciate
the bigger boat at all. Shorter and happy beats longer and financially
stressed.
Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax
On 2013-04-19, at
That's a great boat Mark, you'll love it, especially in heavier air. As for
divorce, been there, done that, only 2 boys though and that stuff is really
hard on the kids. Hope they like sailing, mine did and skiing too, so we
were all able to do sports that we enjoyed doing together during my
Passions don't require logic but it is very wise to deal with those passions
in a logical manner if at all possible
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S
Sent: April 19, 2013
Yes it is a real dandy; if I had more space and more time to drive I would
like one just like yours. British racing green, tan leather inside and
mahogany wheel.great.hard top convertible even better
Dwight Veinot
CC 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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