Steven Noels wrote:
Santiago Gala wrote:
When I said:
Just tell them. I think they are all PMC Chairs are subscribed to
board, so it should be easy to tell them there to
Sideway comment from my little peanut gallery: this is (only) the second
time I overheard that PMC chairs can subscribe to
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:25:09 +0200
Santiago Gala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(both in the harsh criticism trend, by one or the other, every one of
us is in the role at times, and in the sense that we learn that we can
survive to it and fight against it and be actually supported by other
Santiago Gala wrote:
...
Another troublesome and interesting case is incubation processes. There
are messages going back and forth between the incubator and the
relevant pmc to take the project, and quite often the final acceptance
decision is not documented anywhere, or barely so. And the
Santiago Gala wrote:
When I said:
Just tell them. I think they are all PMC Chairs are subscribed to
board, so it should be easy to tell them there to
Sideway comment from my little peanut gallery: this is (only) the second
time I overheard that PMC chairs can subscribe to board@ - in three
Steven Noels wrote:
Santiago Gala wrote:
Just tell them. I think they are all PMC Chairs are subscribed to
board, so it should be easy to tell them there to
Sideway comment from my little peanut gallery: this is (only) the second
time I overheard that PMC chairs can subscribe to board@
I am not sure whether this proverb (?) can express
my feelings and one of my principles, however, I am
willing to put it here:
Condemn the offense but not the offender.
( Tsumi wo nikun de, hito wo nikuma zu )
--
This principle might be really adaptable to Open Source
Software Communities, I
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:02:35 -0400
(Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tetsuya has a lot of energy, and i think we are seeing the common
decay into inertia and conservatism common to groups as they grow
and age. imho, we should work
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:02:35 -0400
(Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tetsuya has a lot of energy, and i think we are seeing the common
decay into inertia and conservatism common to groups as they grow
and age
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 07:03 Europe/Rome, Craig R. McClanahan
wrote:
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 08:02:35 -0400
(Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tetsuya has a lot of energy, and i think we are seeing the common
I don't want to drag this along forever, but I feel I need to be
precise because I don't want email communication to make it drier than
it is.
On Tuesday, Oct 21, 2003, at 09:07 Europe/Rome, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:52:16 +0200
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I won't. Life is not fair. I have several customers there (Hofheim), so
I know about this.
Solution: Move. E.g. my last house move and the location of my office
were purely based on the number of carriers able to offer me bandwith
there. I live in this century, I want to interact with its
I know, I shouldn't post this...
* Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Life is not fair.
[..]
If you voluntarily chose to stay in a location where you can't get what
^^^
How did you get that impression?
you need to keep up, you can't expect others to scale down
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
snip/
Your comment about bureacracy is interesting. For the first time in my
life, I've spent the last three+ years working for a big company (Sun),
after working for organizations with 500 employees previously in my
career. Apache's bureaucracy doesn't hold a
Phil Steitz wrote:
Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
snip/
...
I don't think that effective decision-making in a large organization
*requires* bureacracy.
You're right. It requires responsibility.
It's possible that an entity is responsible of something without having
bureacracy in place. In Apache
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:59 AM
I don't think David and Sander did such a bad thing, they expressed
their opinion, but I disliked the way they did and I wanted to
apologize for the feeling you got out of this.
You felt sad but
and sorry for posting FAT mails twice
to announce@, before.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
--
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:09:46 +0100
(Subject: Inappropriate use of announce@)
David Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I feel the posting of the newsletter to the announce list is not
appropriate. In fact after
you for reading.
-- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:08:19 -0400
(Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tetsuya,
All that David was asking is that you post a SHORT announcement, like the
sample I posted, rather than the ENTIRE
On 20/10/2003, at 01:40, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
The original intention of the newsletter was Newsletter
will be one of the *glue* of the communities in the ASF
umbrella
... It seems that the newsletter itself is going to the contrary.
The newsletter is doing that job. All that was asked is that
From: Tetsuya Kitahata [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
Date: 20/10/2003 9:20:39
To: community@apache.org
Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture.
We, Japanese, do not complain about the volume of the
mails (especially when they are useful
Hi Tetsuya!
Many people is very interested and apreciate your effort in creating a
kind of glue for all the projects under the Apache umbrella. Here
include me too, for sure!
Tetsuya Kitahata dijo:
Nope. I have to resign. The difference of the e-mail culture.
Hmm I can't believe that. :(
From: Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Announce@ is for announcements, community@ for community musings, and
*perhaps*
newsletter@ is for the newsletter. That's it, simple, eh?
+1. (Can still put a short note in announce@)
Cheers,
Berin
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On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too picky
about policies. In
At 12:41 PM 20/10/2003, you wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya
Kitahata wrote:
Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a
worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a
Joshua Slive wrote:
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Nope. I have to resign.
Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile
project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up.
I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too
Tetsuya,
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
You did a great job, as usual, on the newsletter, and you should
continue to do so, IMO.
+1, your contribution is very much appreciated.
-John K
-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter
and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to
which mailing list this newsletter should be sent.
Me too on both points.
Steve.
--
Stephen J. McConnell
mailto:[EMAIL
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:37:23 +0200
(Subject: RE: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Sander Striker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list,
all 8304 of them.
8304
Great! I have heard from Noel that the number of subscribers to
announce
As the discussion now shows *nobody* is in favour of Tetsuyas
resignation
and *everybody* appreciate[sd] his efforts but it also seems that there
exist some basic misunderstandings, at least I've lost the point
somewhere
last night...
On 20/10/2003, at 10:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
And
Sander Striker wrote:
Also consider the people that are subscribed to the announce list, all 8304
of them. I'm sure they didn't sign up to an announcement list to receive
43k emails. If they had wanted that, they would have subscribed to a
newsletter... ;).
after any announcement to any
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
long ago, when the original httpd announce@apache.org got
repurposed into a general announcement list, did we say
anything about what subscribers could expect? do we say
anything about it now on the page where people learn about
the lists?
I've been trying to stay out of all this but the logic here just made me
bite and chime in.
- Original Message -
From: Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: community@apache.org
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@
[snip
I recently read that the smaller an issue is, the bigger a discussion it
gets, as everyone has something to say.
This issue must be pretty trivial then.
In any case, who decides? What is the PMC or something overlooking
these things, that can give a reasonable decision and stop all this
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:13:35 +0200
(Subject: Re: Information channels, Re: Inappropriate use of announce@)
Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I recently read that the smaller an issue is, the bigger a discussion it
gets, as everyone has something to say.
This issue must be pretty
On 20/10/2003, at 04:43, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Well, the threads on this and other similar topics showed that the
majority
of our community has a completely different point of view when it
comes
to information reception.
Compared to whom? To you, me or Tetsuyo?
EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OWN
On 20/10/2003, at 04:44, Rob Oxspring wrote:
we know that everybody has
his/her own preferences
Again I would have thought that most of us are grown up enough to
realise
that.
Therefore I wrote '... we [the ASF community] know ...' :)
so why don't we just go with a pull-model instead of
pushing
* Henning Schmiedehausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I liked the idea of a general announce list where all this stuff is
sent and let my mail client sort it out. This is the 21st century. If
you have bandwidth, disk space or download time concerns, you're either
not using the right technology or
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
Any by trying to build an ideal world for yourself, you basically
killed whatever enthusiasm or dedication Tetsuya showed. Because you
offered no support or at least positive feedback but only we don't like
this format, this way of posting, this content, change
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