Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Apple's attempt to quash an effort to help the latest iPods and iPhones work with non-Apple software such as the Linux operating system is out of line, the Electronic Frontier Foundation said Tuesday. 1) Apple is asserting that the DMCA prohibits these programmers from even speaking about

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
You may want to put on your Christmas list for a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? this year. You seem to have a problem with MS taking on Google on Google's turf by pissing and moaning about it removing features that aren't, oddly enough, removed, just moved. You mean they are going to be installed

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Oh. So, now consumers *can* use something else other than what MS provides? I could have sworn you told me that they put everyone else out of business with their free stuff. You are changing the subject. This was never asserted in this context. However, Mac sales are up 28 percent in October.

Re: [CGUYS] Creating Podcasts

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Any advice on creating training podcasts (the material is not the issue)? There is also a need to be able to track how many people are listening to them as well as documenting completion of training. Are there any programs out there that would help? Any and all (useful) suggestions would be

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
So I'm supposed to go to some guys blog otherwise I can't complain? I thought that's why I voted in real elections, not put some topics up on a blog? On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you put down your marker against the DMCA at ObamaCTO.org? If

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread mike
Tom, what are you saying was removed? On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You may want to put on your Christmas list for a copy of Who Moved My Cheese? this year. You seem to have a problem with MS taking on Google on Google's turf by pissing and moaning

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
Just because Apple asserts this is the case doesn't make it the case. It seems pretty straightforward and the problem lies with the cost of defense concerning this wiki site. How even if they are 100% in the right, fight a company with as much money and lawyers as Apple? The truth isn't even

[CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
I hate to sound ungrateful on Thanksgiving eve, but my computer is once again taking forever to load every page. This, with FireFox, including with creating a new profile. Last time, creating a new profile seemed to help; now it doesn't. Further, can't even seem to use IE as alternative which

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Richard P.
Have you tried using Windows Task Manager (Control, ALT, Delete), to see what is using up the CPU? Your System Idle Process should be above 90% when you aren't doing anything. For more detailed info, you can also use Process Explorer, but start with Task Manager if you don't already have PE.

Re: [CGUYS] Computerguys respond to your Acer 'Beep' problem

2008-11-26 Thread RLeeSimon
How did you figure it out? -Original Message- From: Gwen Garfinkle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: Computerguys respond to your Acer 'Beep' problem Thanks Brian - and everyone else.It was a memory issue. I replaced my old memory

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread John Emmerling
Hey, had you been paying attention to Tom all along, you would know this is not just some guy's blog. Barack reads this! I was thoroughly chastised for having doubted! On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:19 AM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm supposed to go to some guys blog otherwise I can't

Re: [CGUYS] cell phones

2008-11-26 Thread b_s-wilk
for once, i agree with tom. i really like my nokia which does little. if i reviewed a crakbury, iphone or zune, i would say it is a horrible unusable piece of crap. while OT with cell phones, the power connector on my beloved Nokia has gone sour. it is very difficult for me to charge the

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
I just tried this...CPU usage is going all over the place as I watch it, from 0 to 72% and in between. Yet the only application showing as running is Gmail. I will try deleting some processes to see what happens but not sure what many of them are. Randall On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:53 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
I deleted a few processes which seemed related to AVG (antivirus). CPU usage did drop from between 0 and 100% to about 5 to 15% and loading speed seems a little faster. Curious, once page loads the loading icon that spins is still spinning, for a long, long time. Not sure what this means.

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 26, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tom Piwowar wrote: I think there is a better chance of getting Apple to change course than there would be for most companies. A lot depends on what the sheeple do. I do not have a lot of faith in the sheeple. Part of the problem with the public, the sheeple

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread db
Try uninstalling AVG, turning on MS firewall, rebooting, and see if that changes things. That will tell you whether AVG is the source of the problem. db Ranbo wrote: I deleted a few processes which seemed related to AVG (antivirus). CPU usage did drop from between 0 and 100% to about 5 to

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
Walmart and Amazon both have significant libraries that are DRM free. The near monopoly Apple has(d) on digital tunes seems to have angered some of the record companies and they have struck better deals elsewhere. Mike On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Steve Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

[CGUYS] Top 10 Website

2008-11-26 Thread David Turk
I'm trying to find a website that's full of top 10 lists ( not David Letterman's). Not having any luck with the search engines... david David Turk Manager, Preservation Imaging Services Indiana Historical Society Eugene and Marilyn Glick Indiana History Center 450 W. Ohio St. Indianapolis,

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread b_s-wilk
Walmart and Amazon both have significant libraries that are DRM free. The near monopoly Apple has(d) on digital tunes seems to have angered some of the record companies and they have struck better deals elsewhere. Walmart is DRM free? Sure. They also edit all the

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Matthew S. Taylor
Not strictly true. They require artists who wish to sell via their store to provide edited versions. Nothing evil about it, just a marketing decision that for them works. No one is forced to make an edit and Walmart is not forced, nor should any store be forced, to sell what they do not

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
Actually Walmart doesn't edit anything. They sell the music the artists edit themselves. Blame the artistsand you can blame them for the DMCA as well. Mike On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walmart and Amazon both have significant libraries that are DRM

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not strictly true. They require artists who wish to sell via their store to provide edited versions. Nothing evil about it, just a marketing decision that for them works. No one is forced to make an edit and Walmart is not forced, nor should any store be forced, to sell what they do not

[CGUYS] voip battery backup

2008-11-26 Thread RLeeSimon
what would a good choice be for battery backup of my new voip ...would need to cover modem (Motorola SB5010), router (Linksys WRT150N), and ATA (Grandstream HandyTone 502) all of which have quite low power consumption ...however, I came upon a blog that states: A UPS operates as an inverter:

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Richard P.
Are the edited versions indicated as such or are they passed off as the real and original recording? If the edited versions are being passed off as original, then that is deception. Richard P. Not strictly true. They require artists who wish to sell via their store to provide edited

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
When Windows 7 comes out, it won't include Windows Mail, Windows Photo Gallery and Windows Movie Maker, which are some of Vista's most useful applications. Ed Bott explains this better @ http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=582: Judging by the comments I've read and heard, many people mistakenly

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
And they'll be free. Weren't you just complaining about MS adding stuff in like AV because of anti competitiveness? You aren't making any sense in multiple threads from one email to the next. You have a HUGE blind spot. I see that in your eyes anything MS wants to do is double plus good. MS

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
How often do you fly? Did you know that airlines regularly edit movies that get shown on airplanes? One of the reasons is that their customer base is really wide. Some stuff is just not appropriate for certain people. If that is what their customer base wants let them sell it. Does that

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Do you have any urls about the matter? www.google.com/search?hl=enq=DMCA+prohibits+speech+about+circumvention Yet, efforts to exercise those rights increasingly are being threatened by section 1201 of the DMCA, which created the new crime of circumvention. Section 1201 (a)(1), for example,

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
I think the radical left has it mixed up. 50 Cent could have said [EMAIL PROTECTED] you to walmart and not edited his album. Period. Not sure why I threw in the radical left, but then I'm not sure why you brought up the radical right. I'm starting to think with the sense you are making

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Walmart and Amazon both have significant libraries that are DRM free. The near monopoly Apple has(d) on digital tunes seems to have angered some of the record companies and they have struck better deals elsewhere. What I don't understand is why anyone would buy Apple's crippled music in the

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
I think you mix up freedom for people vs freedom for corporations. I think one of the biggest mistakes of the radical right is the belief that corporations should have the same rights as individuals. It leads to individual rights getting trampled because the powers of corporations are so much

Re: [CGUYS] MS Herding the Sheeple [Was: Windows 7]

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
My shooting a gun is not a problem. My shooting the gun while pointing it at you is a problem, because you will end up dead. The problem is not the gun shooting, it is you becomming dead. That is why there are laws about this. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a poor understanding

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Miles
I'll admit, I've found Amazon to be great and is now my default for buying just about everything online. I've found beating the prices on Amazon difficult, unless I waste my time (which is money) to do so. Jeff M On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:46 AM, mike wrote: Walmart and Amazon both have

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
The problem is, the wiki site wasn't circumventing DRM. Apple sent a lawyer swat team over holding briefcases of lies so they could strong arm a site to do their bidding. I'm not arguing the right or wrong of the DMCA, but the fact that this doesn't even fall under the DMCA. The wiki site

Re: [CGUYS] voip battery backup

2008-11-26 Thread gerald
if you just want to buy big and dumb, go to sams or costco. for some reason, they will have large units at half the price of any where else. they carry brand names recall trip and apc. look around they probably have an out of box unit for half of that. At 03:31 PM 11/26/2008, you wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Miles
The way I've heard and read about this bit of history is the night club owners started buy screwing the artists out of pay. This continued with the record labels screwing the artists out of royalties, then the artists screwing the labels back, who passed the love on to the vendors, who of

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Maybe this will change as so many demagogic grafters have been voted out of office. Do you mean the bill signed into law by the last Democratic administration, which the current one seems to be intent on stuffing his administration full of its leftovers? Have faith, brother, have faith. One

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
I uninstalled AVG, CPU usage dropped to around 2%, yet loading is still slow. Re. DNS settings, think I have them at what the ISP originally set them at or said to set them at. Still can't use IE, which used to be fast when had this problem with FF before. Guess I should re-install AVG? But

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread db
It could be a DNS matter but Yes ... try the ISP support. They deal with these specific problems all the time. db Ranbo wrote: I uninstalled AVG, CPU usage dropped to around 2%, yet loading is still slow. Re. DNS settings, think I have them at what the ISP originally set them at or said to

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread b_s-wilk
Not strictly true. They require artists who wish to sell via their store to provide edited versions. Nothing evil about it, just a marketing decision that for them works. No one is forced to make an edit and Walmart is not forced, nor should any store be forced, to sell what they do not wish

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Steve Rigby
On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:48 PM, mike wrote: Actually Walmart doesn't edit anything. They sell the music the artists edit themselves. Blame the artistsand you can blame them for the DMCA as well. I have to essentially disagree with that last sentence. Most musical artists are

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Re. DNS settings, think I have them at what the ISP originally set them at or said to set them at. Still can't use IE, which used to be fast when had this problem with FF before. Guess I should re-install AVG? But what else can I do or try? Call the ISP tech support, which means not getting

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
The problem is, the wiki site wasn't circumventing DRM. It was discussing it. Under DMCA merely doing that is a crime. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
As Matthew already explained, quite clearly I thought, Wal-Mart is free to make any demand it wants regarding the products and services it sells. Providers of said products and services are free to agree or tell Wal-Mart to take stick it in a sunless repository. There you go. Thank you for

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
What I don't understand is why anyone would buy Apple's crippled music in the first place. I never did. I would buy CDs, most often used, and rip them instead of using iTunes. Yep. I have Apple Store gift cards that sit unused because the terms are so unappealing. If I want music I buy a

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Not sure why I threw in the radical left, but then I'm not sure why you brought up the radical right. I'm starting to think with the sense you are making lately, that you are actually Keith Olbermann in Tom Piwowar's body. Can't respond with logic so just make a personal attack.

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
I respond in kind with you Mr. Piwowar, you are the king of personal attacks on this list. I bow to the master. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure why I threw in the radical left, but then I'm not sure why you brought up the radical right. I'm

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
No, it wasn't. This is what I was talking about, you simply buy what Apple's lawyers are selling. The site said they were going after the itunes library file, not anything to do with the DRM. Does your mac fan boi baaa sound anything like the WFB baaa? I would suspect so, both tools for the

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Miles
I would have considered that a compliment, not an attack. Jeff M On Nov 26, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Tom Piwowar wrote: Not sure why I threw in the radical left, but then I'm not sure why you brought up the radical right. I'm starting to think with the sense you are making lately, that

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Chris Dunford
It was discussing it. Under DMCA merely doing that is a crime. I don't think so. They weren't trying to crack the DRM, just the library database. In other words, they weren't trying to get at the tunes, just the -list- of tunes. I admit to not having read the DMCA in its entirety, but I'd be

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
okay, I went to the site below; how do you change the DNS setting? Thanks Randall On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re. DNS settings, think I have them at what the ISP originally set them at or said to set them at. Still can't use IE, which used to be

Re: [CGUYS] cell phones

2008-11-26 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am about 20 months into my contract, so phone is out of warrantee, and 4 months from free replacement. So your phone is old enough that it is probably not selling for top dollar any more. Maybe you can find a new one on

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
No, it wasn't. This is what I was talking about, you simply buy what Apple's lawyers are selling... The List's policy in this regard has been around for years. Find my write up at cguys.org. If anything Apple is following me. Baa baa.

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
What are you talking about? You just keep buying...I've seen enough sheep to known when I see one, Tom...baabaa. Keep backing up that DMCA, keep spreading your FUD. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, it wasn't. This is what I was talking about, you

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
There you go. Thank you for proving my point. Your point was...that you don't have one other than tin-foil hattery? You live in lalaland. What aisle is that on at Target? I think I saw it for sale on Amazon once, but they didn't have free shipping, so I passed.

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Knowledge--not censorship--leads to freedom. Knowledge leads to more knowledge. It might lead to servitude if the wrong parties gain access to the wrong knowledge. Knowledge without a moral or ethical code to guide it is just data. Self-important and self-appointed meddlers keeping their

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
If you have cable or DSL, you need to change DNS settings in either your router, if you have one, or their modem. -Original Message- okay, I went to the site below; how do you change the DNS setting? * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
After all the stores in the community were put out of business by WalMart? Sure. You should notify the Department of Buggy Whips and Candle Makers about such things. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
Did you know that airlines regularly edit movies that get shown on airplanes? Yes some people do object to such editing. I think this is an example of something that is right on the edge of wrong or right. Airlines are not in the business of selling movies to passengers (at least not yet). You

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
I don't think so. They weren't trying to crack the DRM, just the library database. In other words, they weren't trying to get at the tunes, just the -list- of tunes. I admit to not having read the DMCA in its entirety, but I'd be pretty surprised if this was covered. Then be surprised.

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread Jeff Wright
Actually you are not. In many communities WalMart is the only option. WalMart drove everybody else out of business. I would argue that these communities already had one foot on the commerce banana peel if this is all it took. Ted Stevens can tell you about this series of tubes that is driving

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Tom Piwowar
okay, I went to the site below; how do you change the DNS setting? Press F1 to get to the Windows Help Center. Search on DNS. Click the link for configuring TCP/IP settings. Read and obey. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
I changed on of the DNS settings (not the alternate). Maybe made a slight difference in loading. Trying to reach tech support. Randall On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, I went to the site below; how do you change the DNS setting? Press F1 to get to

Re: [CGUYS] Help - very slow loading....again!

2008-11-26 Thread Ranbo
Called RCN tech support. Tech said not to mess with DNS settings and had me restore to detect automatically. Either way, doesn't seem to make loading much quicker. He said download speed (5 mb) was okay so he couldn't help beyond that. I'm about to give up. Have had this problem recurrently

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread b_s-wilk
Knowledge leads to more knowledge. It might lead to servitude if the wrong parties gain access to the wrong knowledge. Knowledge without a moral or ethical code to guide it is just data. Self-important and self-appointed meddlers keeping their noses out of other people's consensual

Re: [CGUYS] EFF chastises Apple

2008-11-26 Thread mike
There is no DRM on the library, try again, Tom. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think so. They weren't trying to crack the DRM, just the library database. In other words, they weren't trying to get at the tunes, just the -list- of tunes. I admit