Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
From:Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss.

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread Tony B
Alright guys. If your comments have nothing to do with DSL Answering machines, keep it to yourself or at least change the subject (IF it still relates to computers). Tell me how I can double my income please. ...make the rest live on less than $100,000 and no bonuses, especially when their

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Stephen Brownfield
Rich, Thanks for answering the question! Rich Schinnell wrote: From:Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.com Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been updated in many years but still do

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Jeff Wright
You got anything to say other than continuing to call people names? Sure. Here you go: -Original Message- From: Jeff Wright Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:45 PM To: 'Computer Guys Discussion List' Subject: RE: [CGUYS] Win 7: A Clear-Eyed Review (Tom wrote) Previous

Re: [CGUYS] Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread rleesimon
sorry... I don't get it ...how do they block that? -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service Barron's is bullish on Verizon this month; says outlook is

[CGUYS] Thread Abuse [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Alright guys. If your comments have nothing to do with DSL Answering machines, keep it to yourself or at least change the subject (IF it still relates to computers). Yes, if you are going to make a departure from the topic in the subject line you should change the subject line. 1) It is

Re: [CGUYS] Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: sorry... I don't get it ...how do they block that? -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:49 PM Subject: Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL

Re: [CGUYS] DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread mike
The point is it SHOULD break if it's a new subject or alteration of the original subject. Like this email...should I put this with your quote in Tom's thread regarding this topic or keep it in this thread because you may not read Tom's? On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Duncan Yoyo

Re: [CGUYS] Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service

2009-03-01 Thread mike
By blocking or altering the standard port VOIP uses. They can also start using packet shaping as some have used against torrents. Each packet is analyzed as it moves through their network and blocked/slowed if it matches criteria. Some companies have spent millions on knowing how to slow you

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
At 01:42 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:19:32 -0500 From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu Rich said: Of course it has not had any updates for over 5 years but I still use it daily and back it up religiously.

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
They will not access a files called data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~ But you don't have to use a tilda. You can just use something like thisfile.doc and have a file that works with either system. PS: I still use

Re: [CGUYS] Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL p

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Some companies have spent millions on knowing how to slow you down. Which is excellent evidence that we do not have a free market for broadband in the US. In a free market no company would dare waste resources on such a non-productive project. The money would have to be spent on keeping ahead

Re: [CGUYS] Best Network [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL p

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Wouldn't a VPN get you around that sort of blocking? I can see the day lots of traffic for Vonage etc going through a VPN so the ISP can't snoop on what is going out. Yes, that should work, but that adds further cost to the transaction. The added cost is enough to keep me from considering what

[CGUYS] Tony sez, WAAHHH! ABUSE!! [was: DSL answering machines/DSL phone service]

2009-03-01 Thread b_s-wilk
...make the rest live on less than $100,000 and no bonuses, especially when their companies tank. You mean if I tank the company I get $100 grand? Ok, I'll get to work immediately. :-) That would be nice, wouldn't it! More likely you'd be out of a job with few prospects, unless you're the

[CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread b_s-wilk
Barron's is bullish on Verizon this month; says outlook is good. Rumor is iPhone on VZ, http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/02/23/apple-to-launch-iphone -on-verizon-wireless/trackback/. That might be nice, but I recently was reading a blog that called the iPod Touch the phone of

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Roger D. Parish
At 2:59 PM -0500 3/1/09, Tom Piwowar wrote: But there are so many better (and even free) languages available: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, etc. There is no good reason to continue to use old junk. Except for a refusal to keep up with technology and I won't be supporting that. Learning new languages

Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Does your iTouch need to be jailbroken? I thought that was only required of the iPhone models. If that is the case I guess I will start paying more attention to Android phones. There's a version of Skype for mobile phones that should work on the second generation iPod Touch. I have a 1st gen

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Learning new languages entails a learning curve; you can't get the job done faster until you have become fluent in the new language. Admittedly, the only way to BECOME fluent is to use the damn thing. One hand for the keyboard, and one to hold the manual. I would not subscribe to any ideolofy

Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread Judy Cosler
Android phones??? On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Does your iTouch need to be jailbroken? I thought that was only required of the iPhone models. If that is the case I guess I will start paying more attention to Android phones. There's a version of Skype for

[CGUYS] FiOS TV service

2009-03-01 Thread Michael Fernando
I'm trying to order FiOS phone/internet/tv services. If I get HD TV service, is there an option to connect the FiOS tv service to a computer and watch tv from the computer monitor? Basically, are there FiOS TV tuner cards available (either from Verizon or from a third party) along with software?

Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Android phones??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Android MS is apparently spending big bucks to suppress news reports about Android. See roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/18/did-microsoft-kill-android-at-mobile-world-co ngress-2009/

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
OK, I'll bite. I only need the title... MS doesn't need saving (yet). All that proves is that you are still wearing your MS goggles. One of the points made in the article is exactly that: extreme arrogance on the part of MS makes them believe they can shovel out crap like Vista and minipulate

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Jeff Wright
One of the points made in the article is exactly that: extreme arrogance on the part of MS makes them believe they can shovel out crap like Vista and minipulate Win7 feature sets and people will still pay and pay and pay. That has proven to be wrong. I always find accusations of arrogance

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread mike
um..yeah there isn't anything wrong with vista except those that continue to talk about it as if it's two years ago. If you can only talk about vista in the past tense, try that with os x, remember how bad that was when it first shipped? OS X must still be bad under your pretzel logic. You are

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread rleesimon
...and here I thought they had already killed windows with that vista junk ...which is windows7 in disguise, no? ...I saw, was it here, some guy bought one of these netbooks and put osX on it ...is that where we will wind up? ...they should sell those things with linux on them so people can get

Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I guess I missed it in the 'article', but where does it say MS is suppressing news or spending money doing so? You need to follow the link and read the article. Do I really have to explain everything to you? * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Here's a much better article, written by someone who actually knows something about the subject: 10 Things Windows 7 Must Do To Succeed Just another angle on how MS is underperforming. This list adds to MS's problems with Windows 7. He bemoans that there is no easy upgrade path from XP to Win7

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
I regularly use Multiplan for DOS on a DOS machine because I like the way it works and it is quick and easy for keeping books in satisfactory fashion -- the reports are fast and easily checked, and the macros are intuitive while VBA isn't for me. I can run Multiplan under windows in a DOS

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I saw, was it here, some guy bought one of these netbooks and put osX on it ...is that where we will wind up? I expect that at least some at Apple will be in a panic over it. I would not be surprised if Apple lashes out in some nasty way. Apple has to protect its hardware sales and this kills

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:29 AM 3/1/2009, Rich Schinnell wrote: Also a friend who is over 80, uses a really old word processor that requires the 8.3 file format and only prints to a parallel connected printer. And it does everything she wants. I have tried to bring her into the 21st century but she resists.

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think they should get into it in a big way. This size machine is bigger than a PDA/Smartphone, yet small enough to not feel like you are lugging a big machine around. My son recently got one and went out and bought one for his boyfriend. So easy to use, so easy to work, and so simple to

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread rleesimon
...but, apple could make some inroads in the market by showing their osX works better'n windows on those things ...especially if it does so on the devices with no HDD, only flash ...I have a winCE machine (NEC MobilePro770) and it is such a nicely designed device but slow as a rat with that micro

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 01:13 PM 2/28/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: Can anyone here make a case for a modern operating system hanging on to this relic from the far past? Does anyone here have software still in use that will only work if regular file names are mapped into 8.3 format? I haven't followed this entire

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 01:19 PM 3/1/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: Question: If you use an 8.3 file name, refraining from using a longer name, will these applications be able to access the file? In other words do these applications need some special sauce in their filenames or will they work if you simply refrain from

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:43 PM 3/1/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: I would not subscribe to any ideolofy that opposes learning, but I do understand how the 8.3 crowd could feel that way. It really has to do with time management. My life is totally full. Even though I am retired. Learning a new programming language

[CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread Stephen Brownfield
I am running Fedora 10. I went to download another browser, Galeon. It stated that Galeon is part of Fedora Extras, the community-driven part of Fedora. To install, simply type: yum install galeon. I went to terminal and typed: yum install galeon. I was told that I did not have privileges

Re: [CGUYS] Mobile VOIP [was: Best Network]

2009-03-01 Thread mike
You can't, the article doesn't have anything about MS paying to or suppressing news. HTC said: When asked about Android, a report by mocoNews in the *Washington Post* said that company president Peter Chou told reporters, “Google Android is part of our product portfolio” and that new phones

Re: [CGUYS] passive gas heaters [Was: DSL answering machines/DSL...]

2009-03-01 Thread Fred Holmes
At 05:43 PM 2/26/2009, Tony B wrote: Let's not confuse the issue. Gas heaters use pilot lights, and the thermocouple in the flame generates enough micro voltage to run the thermostat. Again, an outside source of electricity would only be required to run any fans. But the units will heat a house

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
I haven't followed this entire thread, but if the legacy application only understands 8.3 filenames, can't one just manually restrict the file naming to 8.3, I would think so, but then why would TomTom risk getting sued bt MS for something so useless.

Re: [CGUYS] Will Greed Kill Windows 7?

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
This size machine is bigger than a PDA/Smartphone, yet small enough to not feel like you are lugging a big machine around. They may produce a fat iPhone, but I doubt they will shrink the MacBook. There is no profit in doing that.

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Can one load Win2K or XP into a virtual machine on XP and run legacy apps that way? Including legacy hardware such as older printers? I'm told by people who run virtual servers that this is exactly what they do when somebody insists that they can't live without something ancient. They run

Re: [CGUYS] Anyone for 8.3? [Was: MS Sues TomTom for Using Linu

2009-03-01 Thread Rich Schinnell
At 07:13 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote: Date:Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:59:18 -0500 From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com They will not access a files called data12~1.xxx as the ~ mark won't seem to work in some of the programs, Basic can read a 8.3 file with the ~ But you don't have to use a tilda. You

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Stephen Brownfield wrote: I am running Fedora 10. I went to download another browser, Galeon. It stated that Galeon is part of Fedora Extras, the community-driven part of Fedora. To install, simply type: yum install galeon. I went to terminal and typed: yum install

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread Vicky Staubly
Actually, was the first way you tried the System menu, Administration, Add / Remove Software? I just tried that myself, typed galeon into the search field, waited while it searched the online repoisitories, click the check-box when it appears, and click Apply. It will prompt you for the root

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread David K Watson
In the terminal, type sudo yum install galeon You will be prompted for your password, after which the install should proceed. If you want to learn linux/unix on your own, IBM's website has a number of tutorials. I think you need a membership (free) to view some of the articles, but the effort

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread Michael Fernando
sudo yum install root --- sudo will ask you for the root password I don't use Fedora, so I don't know exactly how sudo gets configured in a newly installed machine, but don't you mean this? sudo yum install galeon (sudo will ask for YOUR password,

Re: [CGUYS] FiOS TV service

2009-03-01 Thread Michael Fernando
I'm trying to order FiOS phone/internet/tv services. If I get HD TV service, is there an option to connect the FiOS tv service to a computer and watch tv from the computer monitor? answering my own query ... I found this: http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/verizonfios/4.0_FiOS_Television

Re: [CGUYS] FiOS TV service

2009-03-01 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.comwrote: Wonder how much Verizon charges for the CableCards. Around $3/month. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Sun, 1 Mar 2009, Michael Fernando wrote: sudo yum install root --- sudo will ask you for the root password I don't use Fedora, so I don't know exactly how sudo gets configured in a newly installed machine, but don't you mean this? sudo yum install galeon

Re: [CGUYS] Linux newbie question

2009-03-01 Thread John Emmerling
If you've got adequate privilege On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Michael Fernando michael@gmail.comwrote: (sudo will ask for YOUR password, and having confirmed your identity, it will run the command as root.)