Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Alas, Reverend, I could not stop work to listen and would much appreciate a summary! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- No but I am not going to get into a shouting match with you either. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:21 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Studding the iPad with obsolescent ports is not a good thing. My wanting better interchange is not an appeal for more ports. The built-in 802.11n should be entirely sufficient. Studded, no. No one here but yourself has

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Why do you say that current interface ports, still being used by almost every computer user and still being manufactured in large quantities and suppled on most computers, are already obsolete? I believe that your assertions along these

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:43 AM, Constance Warner wrote: And, as the participants pointed out, without having the device in hand, there's not a lot you CAN say about the iPad [and similar yet- to-be released devices] in a public forum on the radio, without looking silly. I don't agree. The

[CGUYS] NYT's op ed about MS future...but the author seems to get he past wrong

2010-02-04 Thread mike
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html?th=emc=thpagewanted=all * AS they marvel at Apple’s new iPad tablet computer, the technorati seem to be focusing on where this leaves Amazon’s popular e-book business. But the much more important question is why Microsoft, America’s most

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread Stewart Marshall
At 09:03 AM 2/4/2010, you wrote: I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still hold. Add to this the Time Inc., YouTube video of what SI would look like on an iPad. Also add what we have seen with the Kindle. And the current problems

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
The logical conclusion of all this is bad for the consumer. Will we need an e-reader for each publishing house? If I have a kindle, can I transfer those book to an iPad? I'd guess not...which means I never bought books...I bought a right to read them on an e-reader. Are we headed to the same

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
Yes, with the iPad Jobs is attempting a wireless, portable device paradigm change. Well worth watching to see how Apple goes about it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- I don't agree. The iPhone gives us some great clues and all the revolutionary changes it brought will still

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
Well it's hardly a paradigm change, Jobs is doing what other devices have already done before him..and some would argue better. The kindle comes with free wireless, you can download books anywhere for free. Apple is simply doing what they have done for years, take existing products and trying to

Re: [CGUYS] Digital humanity (was: apple-stanza-usb)

2010-02-04 Thread Constance Warner
A new type of human, thanks to the digital age? Well, not exactly. I agree that cellphones have made a HUGE difference in the third world. A Bangladeshi peasant can now check market prices for the agricultural products he/she is raising, so he/she can no longer be cheated by the

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
If you look for obvious revolutionary new, you will not see the impact. Jobs gave us a clue: standing on their shoulders. His intent, I believe is to change how consumers, maybe businesses as well, view the hand held, wireless and portable device market by putting it together to add more value.

Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 3 Feb 2010 to 4 Feb 2010 - Special issue (#2010-82)

2010-02-04 Thread David K Watson
Page with links to the Real Audio or Windows Media Player formats for that show: http://wamu.org/programs/dr/10/02/03.php?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=twitterutm_campaign=Feed%3A+WAMU885DianeRehm+(WAMU%3A+The+Diane+Rehm+Show) Podcast link: http://www.npr.org/rss/podcast.php?id=510071

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: What's wrong with wires? What's wrong with horse-drawn carriages? And it kept an army of poop scoopers employed. We need those jobs! * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by limiting the applications that can be used on them. Of course, there are over 100,000 iPhone apps, does Apple have to approve each one? Why not simply say 'application

Re: [CGUYS] NYT's op ed about MS future...but the author seems to get he past wrong

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 10:26 AM, mike wrote: I like the part where he says 'no longer brings us the future', the question is, when did MS ever do this? Still rather interesting, written by a former MS VP. There was a very short time when M$ did. They brought us M$ Word, which was a heck of

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:34 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Apple is making their portable devices more closed than their computers by

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone or android etc. I keep a lot of pictures on sugarsync

Re: [CGUYS] Digital humanity (was: apple-stanza-usb)

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Constance Warner wrote: But a whole new type of human, which was what the program claimed? I don't think so. How about this guy... Sun CEO Announces Resignation On Twitter

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. And some of us will brave the big bold outside world and get out of Apple's walled garden. And we are rewarded. On Thu, Feb 4,

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
I think Apple has been smart to stay away from big productions about Apple being 'safer' than windows even if they are. It presents a bad image and negativity overall. I think it is implied in their ease of use advertising etc. Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales.

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to advance his far-out agenda. Now taking good care of one's clients has morphed into selling fear. The logical conclusion is that the buggier and

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread tjpa
On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:20 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: Since when is Apple's marketing strategy based on fear? Beauty, utility, but fear? This is something new that has nothing to do with being different or innovative. That is quite a logical leap. Suddenly you don't approve of computers that are

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
Well it's a good thing logic never stops you, we are all entertained the more for it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 4:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 4, 2010, at 6:31 PM, mike wrote: Tom is really the only one using fear to try and drive Apple sales. Mike will say just about anything to

[CGUYS] Microsoft’s Creative Destruction

2010-02-04 Thread tjp
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/opinion/04brass.html Microsoft’s huge profits — $6.7 billion for the past quarter — come almost entirely from Windows and Office programs first developed decades ago. Like G.M. with its trucks and S.U.V.’s, Microsoft can’t count on these venerable products

Re: [CGUYS] Microsoft’s Creative Destruction

2010-02-04 Thread mike
Lucky for MS, they don't have unions sucking them dry...it's just their own lack of creative force. Or how about even *trying* to play catch up? How long since the iphone came out? And still we are looking at the craptastically bad windows mobile. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 5:33 PM, tjp

Re: [CGUYS] Google: Damned if you do; damned if you don't

2010-02-04 Thread Allen Firstenberg
Normally I'd agree with you, Mike... but I think the article actually rationalized it reasonably well. It isn't to protect people from what they said... ...its to protect them (both the person and google) from what they DIDN'T say. It is admitting that: 1) Their software isn't perfect 2) That it

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread b_s-wilk
On Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:24:55 -0800, mike escribió: I sort of agree with the storage aspect, but that is relative also...to some 4 gigs is enough, others want 64 gigs and that still isn't enough. With cloud based services many things can be left on the net and accessed as needed from an iphone

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
You are changing the parameters to win an argument. No one, least of all me said use the cloud for backup. We are specifically talking about cell phones...devices that by their nature need access to the network to work. I'm not putting my dissertation on google docs and trying to access it with

Re: [CGUYS] apple-stanza-usb

2010-02-04 Thread mike
I think perhaps it's just that I see the ipod touch/iphone as the start of the revolution and you may see the ipad as the start. Either way, Apple is leading the charge on this again as they did on mp3, I just hope the content wars over ipads/kindles/tablets don't cause more casualties on the