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. Reed scripsit:
Sorry to bug you about something you no longer maintain, but folks on
CONLANG-L are saying they submitted scripts months ago and got no
response. Nor did emailing Mr. Everson directly yield one. So I
thought you might have some insight into what's going on behind the
scenes
scripsit:
Sorry to bug you about something you no longer maintain, but folks on
CONLANG-L are saying they submitted scripts months ago and got no
response. Nor did emailing Mr. Everson directly yield one. So I
thought you might have some insight into what's going on behind the
scenes
' Oceanic *limo, but pops up
as moli in some languages. Then IIRC there's Engl. horse, originally
hros (?); Engl. wart, Du. wrat and others.
My newest conlang, Prevli, does use metathesis in the way you mention, I
think: CVCVC is the base form, final -VC met. CVCCV forms realis of verbs
MILLS wrote:
[snip]
Thanks, I'm unfortunately limited to Internet, but I will check it out.
My newest conlang, Prevli, does use metathesis in the way you mention, I
think: CVCVC is the base form, final -VC met. CVCCV forms realis of
verbs, and nouns, initial CV- met. VCCVC forms irrealis
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Hi,
On the ZBB [1] some people have recently put online their
collections of PDFs related to linguistics as torrents or
via http download. I thought this might be of interest for
the people here at Conlang-L as well.
Kind regards,
Carsten
... who
primarily intending your journal for your friends and
relations or for future historians, you would avoid crypticity and
ellipticity of all kinds, especially but not limited to writing in a conlang,
conscript or cypher. It would influence your writing style, maybe making
it more formal
: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:12 pm ((PST))
Good morning,
Matahaniya ang Rick Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Has anyone blogged, posted or essayed about similarities
between conlanging and journaling?
Not directly, except that I am writing journal entries in my
conlang from time to time, either to see
: Scotto Hlad
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. OT Ockham's razor (was: Conlanging with constraints)
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. The aliens
communicate by creating graphic images (essentially
writing) by changing the
color of their skin.
stevo /HTML
My first conlang Lauranthea (now abandoned) was spoken
by a race of more-or-less humanoids whose skin changed
colour involuntarily to match their emotional state.
I
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Basically I have lived in hope that by the time I end, there could be
a conlanging organization that offered eternal[1] conlang webpages. I
tend to overlook the wikis, which are sort of like that, a little...
at least until *their* owners
your own mortality (as a conlanger)
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1h. Re: CHAT: facing your own mortality (as a conlanger)
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, because fora often
have no archives and even erase older posts (why?) We want good
archives, I think, and few fora provide it today, and some are not
even indexed in search engines. Of course, Conlang-L suffered some
loss, too. But the history of the ZBB is simply gone, is it not? Or
eBay! I want
, and few fora provide it today, and some are not
even indexed in search engines. Of course, Conlang-L suffered some
loss, too. But the history of the ZBB is simply gone, is it not?
Yes. With the exception of the LL Museum subforum, everything
on the ZBB disappears after a while - a short while
:
--
#! /bin/sh
set -euC
BOT_ID='Conlang Archive Bot'
BOT_ME='Iain'
cd /var/www/archives/attic
wget -q -N -U $BOT_ID ($BOT_ME) http://archives.conlang.info/attic/urls.txt
cat urls.txt | while read URL; do
wget -q -m -U $BOT_ID ($BOT_ME) $URL
done
. You get an email from a woman who says her
father had once worked on a conlang similar to Sasasek but different in some
interesting ways. Unfortunately he died before he could publish anything,
but she is willing to send you his computer files. You provide her your
snailmail address and eagerly
))
Hallo!
Here's a mail I sent to And Rosta in reply to an offlist reply
on my post. He suggested to me that it would be of interest
for the list, and like him, I feel this is worth discussion,
so I'll post it here.
-- Forwarded message --
Subject: OFFLIST: Re: [CONLANG
] On Behalf Of Jorg
Rhiemeier
On the other hand, one should indeed have more than one
conlang
going. Otherwise, you are likely to incorporate all your
ideas
in one conlang and thus end up with a kitchen sink language or
whatever. I have several ideas which I wish to try out, but
which I feel
or two members should be merged with something else,
and the ones with 50+ members should probably be subdivided,
but there are other, more serious problems.
--
Jim Henry
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Conlang fluency survey -- there's still time to participate before
I
Jul 2008 18:00:22 +0100, And Rosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a faithful monogamist, tho were I an artlanger rather than the
engelanger I actually am, I might temperamentally tend towards a little
faithful oligogamy. I confess I view my conlang confreres' fickleness and
pampolygamy with scant
has far more categories than your four above.
Would it be possible to gather together the verb-classification systems that
have been proposed or discussed on the CONLANG-L list, at least since it
began its current format, into something coherent and organized?
Why not on the Conlang Wikia, along
of
information -- such as a conlang -- passes beyond our walls
into the
outside world, there IS no real control of where it goes,
what people do
with it, or how it gets collated by others. It could be
sliced and
diced, remixed, spindled, mutilated, or otherwise monkeyed
with, and
we'd have
:32 pm ((PDT))
Somewhere in the shuffle I mentioned this elsewhere but forgot to include
CONLANG. I recently registered sasxsek.org which I obviously intend to be the
new home for all SASXSEK materials. Currently, it's nothing more than a
redirect to the old site while I get everything ready
a
photo for the Cleveland conlang exhibit but also an interesting biography to go
along with it. John's a true conlanger mensch and Ithkuil is a shining example
of what conlanging can be! Kudos.
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of it, to mimic
this blend of dialects effect?
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on I95 over the last couple weeks,
but I first noticed it a couple months ago while driving down to
Florida. After seeing them again in the Atlanta area I just had
to ask why?
The one on Wilshire is interesting because I've never noticed
that in L.A. BTW: It's Angelino.
I'm using i in my conlang Li
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, and iterative aspect
as being among the common uses.
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Duh! Whatever was I thinking
Charlie
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Tas - sat does
. Conlang Journal plan
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Posted by: Jim Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:39:40 -0700, David J. Peterson wrote:
Ebb and flow, though. I, for one, haven't put out any new
conlang sketches or ideas in a couple years because I haven't
done anything new; just steadily
use a fully phonological one for inflection,
however, or whether it would be better to use a morphologically-based
system, and maybe a good mix.
One question that arose was whether (and if, how) one should mark
umlauts:
It might be simpler if you used a German-derived conlang (such as the one
about a
conlang which could be compiled (in the CS sense of the word) into a simpler
language, and then the simplest and most abstract language? And also, has
anyone ever thought up a language which is mostly sound-based, that is, you
might be able to guess what a word means just by listening to it? You
(With a computer science-oriented mind) ever thought about a
conlang which could be compiled (in the CS sense of the word) into a simpler
language, and then the simplest and most abstract language?
Not exactly, perhaps, but I once thought of creating a programming
language that would be inflected
things that have already been done - you can always
find another, equally legitimate, way of doing it differently.
For instance, I have found that Germanech was neither the only
nor even the first Germano-Romance conlang, but does that lessen
its artistic value? Probably not.
What regards Ill
, not avoiding new words in one's conlang
that sound too similar to existing natlang words, but avoiding words
that are too similar to words already in the same conlang.
My only method for this is usage. If ever I encounter two words that
are too confusingly similar, I drop one of them and search
a different conlang as an _alternative_ to Brithenig - as
mine would be if I ever get around to working on it - in a different
conculture to Bethisad (for alternative histories of western Europe
since the Roman period must be truly legion!:)
Best to leave it as is. I think if I did get around
sense data
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8a. Kitchen sink conlang and other such terms
From: Jim Henry
8b. Re: Kitchen sink conlang and other such terms
From: Jeffrey Jones
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meaningful.
See:
http://www.pobox.com/~jimhenry/conlang/conlang13/grammar-p1.htm
I'm not sure yet what it would mean to convert an entity or quality root
into a preposition.
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genitive of teeth. In the days when I
by disusing or modifying one of the conflicting words.
A naturalistic conlang *should* thus admit some ambiguity.
Zero ambiguity is unnatural; it is thus *only* for engelangs.
The reason of course is that any
ambiguity at some level (lexical, morphological or
syntactic) will be resolved
of Old Albic (from after the
Great Redesign of 2001) are still recognizable as Albic; the overall
character of the language has not changed much during the last few
years.
By the sixth Conlang relay, I was starting to add genders to nouns.
Ispa ttehaban mi naji mikvidu myn metta fał.
(mi
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. 2008 kl. 05.33 skreiv Jim Henry:
I saw _The Clone Wars_ today -- no conlang content except
for a few lines of dialogue in Huttese, which barely counts
anyway, so enough of that -- no, the reason I revived this thread
is the problems that occurred to me when I wrote in my
journal this evening
, for the second issue's cover, various of us send you image
or text of the word invented language or conlang in our conlangs?
Or better, perhaps, we each come up with a short sentence using
the word conlang in our conlangs? I'll try to come up with something
in gzb calligraphy and post it to you soon
, for the second issue's cover, various of us send you image
or text of the word invented language or conlang in our conlangs?
Or better, perhaps, we each come up with a short sentence using
the word conlang in our conlangs? I'll try to come up with something
in gzb calligraphy and post it to you soon.
I've
to search for something, just search for it. That's what the
little box at the top of the page is for, ya know. :)
Ah, but the *result of the search* isn't sortable. For instance
searching for anything Jim Henry might have sent to me within so and so
a timespan, then sort on dates, or for conlang
a timespan, then sort on dates, or for conlang, sort on subjects (though
that was more of a necessity in the old days where subject lines were
truncated and slightly changed east and west...). I have no idea just
what criteria they use to order the results. Structured data like the
meta-data
.
I can't quote Piron exactly because I loaned the book
out some years ago and never got it back. So it's possible
I'm misremembering exactly what he said.
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From
. Redundancy + Ambiguity = What? (+ another question)
Posted by: Veoler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Redundancy + Ambiguity = What?
There have been some talking about redundancy, and sometimes about the
naturalness of ambiguity in a naturalistic conlang
: Tue Sep 2, 2008 1:10 pm ((PDT))
I am collaborating on an agglutinating conlang with polypersonal agreement
(verbs agree with their Subject; with their Primary-or-Direct Object if
there is
one; and sometimes with their Secondary-or-Indirect Object if there is one.)
In this 'lang the verb's agreement
?
From: Henrik Theiling
8a. Re: The Linguists documentary
From: Leland Kusmer
9. Re: CONLANG Digest - 3 Sep 2008 to 4 Sep 2008 (#2008-244)
From: David McCann
10a. Syntactic Differentiation of Adverbial vs. Adjectival Adpositions
From: Logan Kearsley
10b. Re: Syntactic
, because the prepositional
phrase can apply to the verb or a noun- did I eat fruit which was on
the table, or did I eat the fruit while I was on the table?
I think someone mentioned a conlang that has a semantic distinction
between adverbial and adjectival prepositions;
Quite likely, tho I
the prepositional
phrase can apply to the verb or a noun- did I eat fruit which was on
the table, or did I eat the fruit while I was on the table?
I think someone mentioned a conlang that has a semantic distinction
between adverbial and adjectival prepositions;
Quite likely, tho I can't think of one
eda-marasena sam these two sentences in my
edāre: conlang like this:
(1) Angməkonday nihanas ling prihinoya.
AGTFOC PST-eat-1s fruit-PAT on table-LOC
'I ate the fruit on the table.'
(2) Angməkonday nihanas si ling prihinoya
was in the construct state. (Not that I know Akkadian; I just
remember seeing that fact on the CONLANG List sometime before.)
As for Rene's other ideas; what everyone else has said (though I say it with
much less authority!) Go for it, Rene!
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On Fri, September 12, 2008 5:49 pm, Eldin Raigmore said:
Dr. Helen Charters [...] created the conlang Vampiric for use in the
movie versions of the 30
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subjects without Romance or Latin/Greek
words, though, you end up with something like this:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.language.artificial/msg/69250bac6c7cbaff
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, is quite easy to
read.
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http://www.christophoronomicon.nl
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On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:05:45 -0400, Kenneth Asad
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I am wondering, is there any natlang - or for that matter conlang - that has
some quadrivalent verbs?
I am thinking about a type of verbs which has four
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This has come up once or twice before. I do remember a website a few years
back for a conlang
-class).
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recipient and never as the giver.
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1a. Re: Collaborative conlang - Third time's the charm?
From: Noelle Morris
1b. Re: Collaborative conlang - Third time's the charm?
From: Gary Shannon
1c. Re: Collaborative conlang - Third time's the charm?
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be sung to Greensleeves.
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for a while to make verbs in an SOV diachronic
conlang develop conjugational suffixes. For example:
Bill cello plays he does Bill cello plays.3s
I letter wrote I did I letter wrote.1s-past
I.e. the words for he does/I did/etc. would fuse with the verb,
first as clitics and then as suffixes
). A generalized [T] /h/ would be
a nice touch in some Germanic conlang!
Indeed. It is tempting.
But your explanation seems to indicate why these exceptions exist in
Faroese, better than the explanation I have in my Faroese grammar.
Curious that they have it in the weekday name /hostak/ as well
was analyzing some sentences and it occurred to me that adverbs can be
turned into prepositional phrases. A conlang could do well without any
adverbs at all.
Consider:
He ran slowly. = He ran [IN a slow manner].
It rains frequently. = It rains [AT frequent intervals].
I'm happy now. = I'm happy
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