My one comment and it is a major one is this is ALL USA stuff.
While are we looking at USA laws?
As I have said before I would rather no legal entity then one based on USA laws.
Also when you say things like 'tax exemption(s)' you mean for USA tax payers.
Thank god I am not and never will be on
Hi there
Well we still don't have a proper co-working space in London yet, but things
are coming along with the Tuttle Club - http://tuttleclub.wordpress.com I
met some folk here at last year's SXSW and I'm looking forward to seeing you
again in a couple of weeks.
This year we're doing something
Good to see a coworking space in Wales. I'm originally from Caerphilly
but moved out to Sydney 6 months ago and have set up a space here.
www.co-worka.com.au
Best of luck
Andrew
On Feb 23, 2:03 am, Araceli wrote:
> Congrats and best wishes
> THECUBE
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Feb 2010, a
Actually no, these are not "ALL USA stuff", these are both valid in Canada
as well (I'm Canadian, coworking facility based in Canada, and have worked
with and set up both co-ops and non-profits in Canada).
I cannot find anything online that would support legal entity that is an
international assoc
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Learning the a corporate structures of
other countries has been a steep learning curve, but this does make sense.
You do have a lot of lobby groups, after all. :-P
r.
On 23 February 2010 01:32, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> Hi Rachel,
>
>
> This is great stuff, real
Hi, I'm Mistinguette and I am hosting Jelly for the five Mondays in
March 2010 in Northampton, MA.
Northampton is a very independent-friendly town, yet it hasn't
sustained a co-working space. Since Jelly offers co-working without
the financial commitment, I thought we could give it a try.
WHEN:
Hi John,
I have found it effective to build a little community by using www.meetup.com
and holding once/week free coworking in a space we found. Perhaps you
could host folks in your office space once/week until you run out of
room, then start building up a loyal membership.
I probably shouldn't o
On 22 February 2010 01:55, and...@co-worka wrote:
> Goodbye Hibernation, Hello Collaboration!!
>
>
that, right there, is awesome. :-)
congrats.
r.
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Reminder that 501c3 or whatever non-profit status ironically costs about
$20k after filing and legal fees (there is a helluvalotta paperwork) and
requires gobs of administrative work and reporting going forward, meaning
you need to hire people for money to do that for you as it's awfully
complicate
$20k? Wow. That shows just how different corporations can be in different
countries. In Canada it is about $500 for incoprporation (depending on
which province it originates in) plus legal fees, so maybe $2500 tops,
depending on the lawyer.
Administrative operations is separate, of course, depen
Ditto, great catchphrase!
/ah
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:42 AM, rachel young wrote:
>
>
> On 22 February 2010 01:55, and...@co-worka wrote:
>
>> Goodbye Hibernation, Hello Collaboration!!
>>
>>
>
> that, right there, is awesome. :-)
>
> congrats.
> r.
>
Lloyd,
I'd suggest you allocate one of your two days in DC to doing a meetup
in Baltimore. We have an active tech community here and a real
coworking space (Beehive Baltimore).
We could help you get a Tweetup underway and I think you would find it
a refreshing complement to DC.
Feel free to cont
Heath,
I concur with Rachel. Offer criticism yes, but please accompany with
alternative solutions?
FWIW if an entity is formed is it only defined in the terms of the law and
taxation. A corporation is a only legal and tax entity, after all; beyond that
it has no meaning. Even "Private Intern
There's a student at Sarah Lawrence College (where Joseph Campbell taught)
doing an ethnographic paper on coworking. She spent time at New Work City in
NYC and interned with BREAKOUT! last summer. She came up to BEAHIVE last week
and will come again.
She's looking at the history and evolution o
Lloyd,
This is exciting! Come on over to New Work City when you're in NYC!
Feel free to hit me up off-list to talk logistics.
Best,
Tony
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On Feb 23, 2010, at 7:19 AM, rachel young wrote:
> You do have a lot of lobby groups, after all. :-P
Yes. About 2 orders of magnitude more than we should! ;-)
-Mike Schinkel
Ignition Alley Atlanta Coworking
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Before looking at entity I think we need to go back to what Alex (and
others have said).
Why are we doing this?
For instance we are putting the cart before the horse. And it is not
like I have not spoken similar words before. The "5 why's" come to
mind about what we are doing.
One thing in the p
I'm just going to past Tony's email that begun this thread here because,
well, this is getting out of hand:
Hey all.
Serious stuff here. Let's take a step back for a second.
I believe we are in a dangerous place right now, because money is involved,
and everybody is going to have an opinion on h
> Reminder that 501c3 or whatever non-profit status ironically costs about $20k
> after filing and legal fees (there is a helluvalotta paperwork)
Unless you get legal done pro-bono and then it's much cheaper, which is likely.
> and requires gobs of administrative work and reporting going forward
On Feb 23, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
> Before looking at entity I think we need to go back to what Alex (and
> others have said).
>
> Why are we doing this?
Rachel was doing research in parallel. That way we can know what the options
are when we discuss the why.
> One thing in the p
>
> As for the requirements, minimally I think there's a need for an org to
> house and run coworking.com and to establish a way for people to
> understand what coworking is and what it is not just as the open source
> group did for open source (I would have said "define" it but didn't since
> some
To continue my point, IndyHall existed as a non-entity (just a word, and a
bunch of people spreading ideas) for a long time before we created any kind
of legal entity, and that was because a commercial lease needed to be
signed. There have been no commercial requirements to pull off anything
(inclu
Thanks, Rachel for putting together a way to collect input from the
community. Could you share or open the results to all so we could see what
our colleagues' responses look like thus far? I'm very interested to see
what the results are looking like as we proceed..
Thanks again, all. This is re
> To continue my point, IndyHall existed as a non-entity (just a word, and a
> bunch of people spreading ideas) for a long time before we created any kind
> of legal entity, and that was because a commercial lease needed to be signed.
> There have been no commercial requirements to pull off anyt
Here is an idea:
Years ago, Chris Messina (once again) had a post he put up about community
marks:
http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/01/14/the-case-for-community-marks/
Rather than fitting ourselves uncomfortably into the current system (that
doesn't suit what we want to do), why don't we put our
I just wanted to say hi to everyone.
I'm Fraser, a final year design graduate at UArts in Philadelphia. I'm
working out of Indy Hall in Philadelphia. I'm getting a feel for co-
working while investigating the psychology behind successful
collaboration. This research is part of my grad thesis on
co
>
> One thing that *is* needed, and I'll stand firmly on this, is something we
> can point people to who want to understand what coworking is but who are not
> "true believers" like most on this list. For example, the media. Having the
> media right stories about coworking ends up having them defin
I've been lurking on the list for a while, and have been following all
the "entity" threads with fascination. I think the combination of
initiative and questioning is great; I wish the other place I'm
dealing with similar issues had a balance more like this.
A little bit ago, Tara said:
Re
>
> I won't get behind some org structure that we don't fit into, but I would
> happily get behind setting a new precedent (would work for many projects
> that have disparate stakeholders).
AMEN
/ah
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tara Hunt wrote:
Perhaps as a corporate structure, you are looking for the LLLC.
Or the L3C -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L3C
It gives the chance to do projects, be flexible, and yet still take funds
from foundations.
Another possibility is to look at this discussion as the beginnings of the
"Coworking Trade A
Hey Lloyd - consider yourself and your group invited to the Hive at 55 as
well!
Feel free to coordinate with Tony (at NWC) and me regarding what day works,
but you are welcome either 3/4 or 3/5. Sounds exciting, and have fun on the
Amtrak Trains!
Cheers,
Brian DiFeo
Community Manager - Hive at 5
I was merely going off of experience with chatting with another
organization: Freecycle whose bills were estimated to be about $5k and ended
up being more like $20k. Not to mention my own immigration experience where
a $50.00 TN1 Visa quickly turned into a $10,000.00 TN1 visa because of
complicatio
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Tara Hunt wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure we have the same issue (unless we trust one person - Alex?
> - to do all the work on this, which leads me to the question - why create an
> organization at all and, instead, just trust that same person to hold the
> coworking.
Man oh Man is this interesting!!
I am really firmly on the side of staying unincorporated or pursuing a
new collaborative governance form. While I agree with Mike that
there's no harm in reviewing options before making a decision, my own
experience tells me that all of these existing legal forms a
Also agreed. One pill doesn't cure all symptoms. And you shouldn't cure
symptoms to begin with, you should cure the disease. Oh, and it's never
Lupus.
(I need to watch a little less House, M.D.)
-Alex
/ah
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coworking in philadelphia
On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Eli Malinsky wrot
This discussion is starting to remind me of another group that went
down a similar path.
This was NZNOG (NZ Network Operators Group) that was a mailing list
that then decided to hold a small annual meeting. This resulted over a
few years of holding approx $20k even with conference fees only being
On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tara Hunt wrote:
> I won't get behind some org structure that we don't fit into, but I would
> happily get behind setting a new precedent (would work for many projects that
> have disparate stakeholders).
>
> AM
On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
> I think if we go to a formal structure that a Trust is the best way as
> it means the Trust has to operate based on its purpose. Also we can
> separate the ownership issues with the operational issues (i.e.
> ownership of coworking.com vs. the cont
>
> Implausible? Only if you've never been a party to a lawsuit. It's
> disgusting what happens when someone who has plenty of money and lawyers
> on staff can to do those who don't have an infinite war chest to defend,
> even against frivolous lawsuit, at least in the USA.
Thank you for you ver
I like the idea of a new mark.
I have been speaking about the need for that and a community mark makes sense
to me.
Geoff DiMasi
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On Feb 23, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Alex Hillman wrote:
> I won't get behind some org structure
> I think that should the community wish a legal entity to hold the
> domain name that a trust be established as long as this trust is
> inactive and does not trade (ie holds passive assets like domain name
> etc)
>
> I would argue that it should allow it's members to have the option to allow
> it
Congratulations, Andrew!
I'm smiling thinking back to the days when I strapped 15 or so rolley chairs
to the back of my roommates pickup and drove 'em through Seattle up to
Office Nomads...enjoy the ride and have a great opening party! This is just
the beginning!
All the best,
Susan
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On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
>> Implausible? Only if you've never been a party to a lawsuit. It's
>> disgusting what happens when someone who has plenty of money and lawyers
>> on staff can to do those who don't have an infinite war chest to defend,
>> even against frivolous l
On Feb 23, 2010, at 7:09 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
> I feel unless someone is unable to fulfill their duties and is not
> malfeasance, not in jail, bankrupt (or sold out to Evil Office Suites
> R Us which Alex will do later in life :-) then I do not think we
> should change the 'group' or tell them w
Lloyd!
I'm so jealous! What an adventure that I'm sure will spin some great
tales. I only wish that you were continuing past Austin and could head up
to Seattle, but alas, that might take you the rest of the year to complete
via Amtrak. ;)
Looking forward to meeting you in Austin!
Travel safel
On 24 February 2010 13:13, Mike Schinkel wrote:
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:59 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
>
> Implausible? Only if you've never been a party to a lawsuit. It's
>
> disgusting what happens when someone who has plenty of money and lawyers
>
> on staff can to do those who don't have an inf
Congratulations - I'm moving into my shiny new flat here in
Brightoncisco on 5th March so will be celebrating with you!
Haven't quite managed to create my own space yet but going to start by
utilising the new flat as a kinda 'lab' to try out a few ideas:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevepurkiss/
On Feb 23, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Steven Heath wrote:
>> http://www.nzlii.org/
>
> That points to *laws* and *case law* not *lawsuits* :-)
Sigh. http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZHC/2010/ ;-)
>> P.S. Methinks you've got a bit of angst regarding the USA? Just be aware
>> that the USA is filled with
Would there be an "elevator pitch" or 30 second commercial of some kind that
I could use when trying to explain coworking? I seem to get so long winded,
because I want to tell them all the cool benefits of working with other like
minded professionals. But if you just have a few shorts moments, thin
On Feb 23, 2010, at 7:49 PM, scott anderson wrote:
> Would there be an “elevator pitch” or 30 second commercial of some kind that
> I could use when trying to explain coworking?
>
We've just recently been discussing such a definition here on the list but thus
far the consensus is there is no co
Although I'm not involved in this, I would suggest looking into a 501(c)6.
It's much easier to set up than a 501(c)3 therefore less expensive. It's
used for trade associations, etc.
It is a corporation at the state level, usually run by a set of bylaws
(prototypes can be obtained from ASAE).
Gre
On 23 February 2010 16:10, Susan Evans wrote:
> Thanks, Rachel for putting together a way to collect input from the
> community. Could you share or open the results to all so we could see what
> our colleagues' responses look like thus far? I'm very interested to see
> what the results are look
Scott,
You'll find that it gets easier to explain as you find your own identity.
If you could hear how I sounded two years ago when we first opened Office
Nomads, and compare it to how I talk about what we do today, it would be
very amusing. Try out different things and see what sticks, and what
Hi.
I support the decision to have a US legal entity as Alex, the current
domain gatekeeper, is in the US. Perhaps that could be the precedent
- whoever or whichever committee is overseeing these operational
roles, that's where we transfer that "liability" or "legal
responsibility"? Or
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