Hello.
I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
@ 2.40GHz processors.
What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
Thank you.
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20.09.2012 09:44, Mauro:
> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
> @ 2.40GHz processors.
> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
AMD64.
IA64 is for Itanium processors. You'd know if you had one.
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On 20 September 2012 09:53, Markus Schönhaber
wrote:
> 20.09.2012 09:44, Mauro:
>
>> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
>> @ 2.40GHz processors.
>> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
>
> AMD64.
> IA64
On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 09:44:35 +0200, Mauro wrote:
> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
> @ 2.40GHz processors.
> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64? Thank you.
The available architectures are detailed and explain
On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote:
> Hello.
> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
> @ 2.40GHz processors.
> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
> Thank you.
This may be a bit harsh, but it's the glaring truth: your
On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> You are either:
>
> 1. Horribly lazy
> 2. Incompetent
>
Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
any one of a number of things we don't know about.
Suggesting google or debian.org or whatever is fine, but this is way
o
On 9/20/2012 4:40 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
> On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
>> You are either:
>>
>> 1. Horribly lazy
>> 2. Incompetent
>>
>
> Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
> any one of a number of things we don't know about.
>
> Suggestin
Stan Hoeppner writes:
> On 9/20/2012 4:40 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
>> On 21/09/12 09:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>
>>> You are either:
>>>
>>> 1. Horribly lazy
>>> 2. Incompetent
>>>
>>
>> Or having a bad day, or been dropped in the deep end by the employer, or
>> any one of a number of things
On 9/20/2012 8:43 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Why do you assume he's doing it for work? If he said something about
> being an experienced sysadmin, I missed it. This could easily be a box
> he bought as the n'th owner or from ebay or something.
The noise level of a DL580 is 52 dBA. 99.999% of pe
On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 19:43 -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> That he's at that stage now doesn't mean he's an idiot.
Even if somebody should be an idiot, I wonder about the intolerance.
Isn't it wanted that everybody should use FLOSS?
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On Thu, 2012-09-20 at 23:43 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> It draws about 400-500 watts continuously at idle, up to 900 at load.
> 99.999% of people will not tolerate this on the home electric bill.
99.9991% of the people don't have knowledge about this, their motto is
"more is better".
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On 20 September 2012 23:04, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> You are either:
>
> 1. Horribly lazy
> 2. Incompetent
Ok, thank you for answer, have a good day ;-)
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:04:50 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote:
>> Hello.
>> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
>> @ 2.40GHz processors.
>> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64? T
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
> to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be
> wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the table- but it's
> rather discourteous to tell
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
> be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
> they ask on a mailing list. Especially in this case, when the answer is
> so damn eas
On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
>> be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
>> they ask on a mailing list. Especially
On 09/21/2012 05:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an answer should
they ask on a mailing list. Especially in thi
self-fulfilling prophecy, one can aim at Godwin's law ;)
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On 9/21/12 3:06 PM, Wayne Topa wrote:
If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't
respond at all.
How would that help OSS?
I wasn't aware I had an obligation to help OSS in order to use it. The
list exists to help people use the software, and not primarily to help
the so
- Original Message -
>> You are either:
>>
>> 1. Horribly lazy
>> 2. Incompetent
> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
> to say this on the list
I agree. I find this list to be very helpful but lately there seems to have
been a lot of unnecessar
- Original Message -
From: Stan Hoeppner
> This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
> primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
> cursory effort to search for information before asking here.
Please see the Code of Conduct (
http://www.debian.
On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
> - Original Message -
>
>
>>> You are either:
>>>
>>> 1. Horribly lazy
>>> 2. Incompetent
>
>> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
>> to say this on the list
>
> I agree. I find this list to be very helpful bu
On 9/21/2012 7:17 PM, T Elcor wrote:
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Stan Hoeppner
>
>> This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
>> primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
>> cursory effort to search for information before asking here.
>
>
T Elcor writes:
> - Original Message -
>
> From: Stan Hoeppner
>
>> This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
>> primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
>> cursory effort to search for information before asking here.
>
> Please see the Code of
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> T Elcor writes:
>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Stan Hoeppner
>>
>>> This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
>>> primary technical support resource. People should be making at least a
>>> cursory effort to searc
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>>
>>
You are either:
1. Horribly lazy
2. Incompetent
>>
>>> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
>>> to say this o
On 9/22/2012 2:38 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> Stan violates these two points of the CoC:
>
> * The mailing lists exist to foster the development and use of Debian.
> Non-constructive or off-topic messages, along with other abuses, are
> not welcome.
> * Try not to flame; it is not polite.
I
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 02:38:54 -0500
"Christofer C. Bell" wrote:
Hello Christofer,
>* Use common sense all the time.
The trouble with that is, the use of the word "common". IME, the sense
it talks of is anything *but* common. :-(
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On 9/22/2012 2:45 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> I agree that the OP's question was ... perhaps unenlightened.
> However, I don't respond like a jerk to such questions. While
> answering the question simply and clearly isn't beneath you,
> undignifying yourself by responding in such an unciviliz
On 22/09/12 21:18, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
The clue bat is "uncivilized" by design. If you're going to hit someone
in the gut to get their full attention, and make sure what you're
telling them sticks, wrapping the blunt instrument in a big pillow of
cotton candy defeats the purpose, doesn't it,
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>
>> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
>> gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and
>> we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the d
On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
>> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>>> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
>>> gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and
>>> we ca
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 2:23 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:53:21 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>>
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain) to say this
Stan,
Calling people names is no way to encourage them to use free software.
Rick
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On 9/23/2012 3:20 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> While one could hope you're wanting this off the list because you've
> finally realized how much you've embarrassed yourself, I know that,
> sadly, that isn't true.
The only thing in this thread that has embarrassed me is the hypocrisy
of those, i
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> > Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
> > gain) to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want
> > -and we can be wrong or right as we don't have all the deta
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Neal Murphy:
> On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people
> > should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't find an
> > answer should they ask on a mailing list
Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people
> >> should be self reliant. Only when they search and can't fin
On Fri 21 Sep 2012 at 19:42:03 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 7:05 PM, T Elcor wrote:
> >
> > If someone deems a question "stupid" and below his level of
> > expertise one can always ignore the question, as there is no
> > obligation for anyone to answer any questions on this list. Pe
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:13 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/23/2012 3:20 AM, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
>
>> While one could hope you're wanting this off the list because you've
>> finally realized how much you've embarrassed yourself, I know that,
>> sadly, that isn't true.
>
> The only thing in
On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:23:15 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/22/2012 7:14 AM, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
>>> I disagree. This list, as with most others, is not to be used as a
>>> primary technical support resource. People should be making at least
>>> a cursory effort to search for information
- Original Message -
> From: Stan Hoeppner
> Go back and re-read my original reply to the OP. Then explain to the
> list what it was that I said which so compelled you to go to battle.
The problem is that you make some questionable assumptions, hold them as
absolute truth and
then pro
On 9/23/2012 8:14 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 21. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
>> That's how it's supposed to work, but rarely does. Most people these
>> days go straight for the mailing list hoping to save themselves the
>> time/effort of doing research. This is what th
On 9/20/2012 2:44 AM, Mauro wrote:
> Hello.
> I have a HP proliant DL580 G5 server with 4 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E7330
> @ 2.40GHz processors.
> What architecture port I've to install, IA64 or AMD64?
> If the OP doesn't know to look for the word "Ports"
> or "Archite
On Tue, 2012-09-25 at 00:19 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> I think most people know when I swing the cluebat that I'm not trying
> to
> belittle the person on the receiving end, but simply forcefully
> driving
> home a point. If I actually intended to hurt someone's feelings I'd
> reply off list
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 02:12:10 AM Ross Boylan wrote:
> I wish you would be more civil instead of more clever about being
> incivil.
Never mind that Miss Manners would be utterly aghast that someone would try to
claim the right to behave rudely, impolitely and/or barbarously simply becau
ebian >10 years.
I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
BTW: We have here many powerful machines out of service, because they
are not worth the time for refurbishing.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 21.09.2012 um 22:53 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
gain)
to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we
can be
wrong or right as we don't have all the details over the t
Am 21.09.2012 um 23:16 schrieb Neal Murphy:
If one cannot respond with civility and respect, one shouldn't
respond at all.
Attitudes like yours drive people away from OSS.
Fully ACK.
Open Source needs open communication.
Helmut Wollmersdorfer
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>> Yes, but people don't start with a quad socket DL580.
You're right!
Some people starts biger than a DL580 :D
Ezen üzenet és annak bármely csatolt anyaga bizalmas, jogi védelem alatt áll, a
nyilvános közléstől védett. Az üzenetet kizárólag a címzett, illetve az általa
meghatalmazottak használ
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Tóth Tibor Péter
wrote:
>>> Yes, but people don't start with a quad socket DL580.
> You're right!
> Some people starts biger than a DL580 :D
>
>
> Ezen üzenet és annak bármely csatolt anyaga bizalmas, jogi védelem alatt áll,
> a nyilvános közléstől védett. Az üzen
>
> Am 21.09.2012 um 22:53 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
>
>> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>>
>>> Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no
>>> gain)
>>> to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we
>>> can be
>>> wrong or right as we don't have all
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 03:53:21PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 10:06 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>
> > Stan, just my personal opinion but I think there's no need (and no gain)
> > to say this on the list. We all can think whatever we want -and we can be
> > wrong or right as we don't have
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 04:54:26PM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> On 9/21/2012 4:16 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > On Friday, September 21, 2012 04:53:21 PM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> >> It's not writing style but attitude. My attitude is that people should
> >> be self reliant. Only when they search and
h a quad socket DL580.
>
> Why not?
>
> AFAIR it was with the release of Squeeze that I did my first 64 bit
> installation after using Debian >10 years.
>
> I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
> google and then I grepped /proc/
Tony Baldwin:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
>>
>> I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
>> google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo for 'lm'.
>
> Isn't this just a question o
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:
>
> Isn't this just a question of whether you have a Pentium/Intel 64bit
> processor, or an AMD64?
No. That is the point of this thread. The marketing name "Intel 64",
also known as "EM64T" *is* AMD64 aka x86-64. All modern Intel
Pentiums, Core
Am Dienstag, 25. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> I'm direct, often blunt, opinionated, arrogant, and sometimes abrasive.
> I admit these character "flaws" and make no apologies for
> them. That's who I am. I guess I was made to counterbalance all of
> the sugar coating and political corr
Stan Hoeppner:
>
> I think most people know when I swing the cluebat that I'm not trying to
> belittle the person on the receiving end, but simply forcefully driving
> home a point. If I actually intended to hurt someone's feelings I'd
> reply off list. That makes it personal. And this is exact
On 9/27/2012 10:07 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Tony Baldwin:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer wrote:
>>>
>>> I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAIR I used
>>> google and then I grepped /proc/cpuinfo
On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
> the IA64 port to "Itanium" and rename the AMD64 port to something like
> "AMDINTL64".
Something wrong with 'x86_64'?
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On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
> > the IA64 port to "Itanium" and rename the AMD64 port to something like
> > "AMDINTL64".
>
> Something
Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> On 9/27/2012 10:07 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > Tony Baldwin:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 09:33:45AM +0200, Helmut Wollmersdorfer
wrote:
> >>> I also had to find the answer for 'IA64 or AMD64?'. AFAI
Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > > The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to
> > > rename the IA64 port to "Itanium" and rename the
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 01:35:49AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> Maybe we could start some kind of petition for "Itanium" and
> "AMDINTL64". I think these tell everyone at a glance what they need to
> know when selecting a port, and would completely eliminate the confusion.
Itanium will probably
On 9/28/2012 1:52 AM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> The only permanent solution to this confusion is for Debian to rename
>> the IA64 port to "Itanium" and rename the AMD64 port to something like
>> "AMDINTL64".
>
> Something wrong with 'x86
On 9/28/2012 6:30 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> AMDINTL64 seems to long for me.
Compared to "kfreebsd-amd64" or "kfreebsd-i386" it's not long at all.
Besides, the length is pretty much irrelevant. What matters is that
people know exactly what it is by name alone.
> I think x86-64 would make s
On 9/28/2012 7:54 AM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 01:35:49AM -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Maybe we could start some kind of petition for "Itanium" and
>> "AMDINTL64". I think these tell everyone at a glance what they need to
>> know when selecting a port, and would completely el
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:47:55 -0500
Stan Hoeppner wrote:
Hello Stan,
>name I suggest above allows even the most challenged users to
>understand.
I disagree. the use of the letters INTL are already established,
admittedly in other fields, as representing "International". For one
letter, what's
On 9/29/2012 4:51 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:47:55 -0500
> Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> Hello Stan,
>
>> name I suggest above allows even the most challenged users to
>> understand.
>
> I disagree. the use of the letters INTL are already established,
> admittedly in other fiel
Am Sonntag, 30. September 2012 schrieb Stan Hoeppner:
> > Having said that, I am aware that something is changing as the
> > IA64/AMD64 question is getting asked more frequently these days.
> > Whether that's because there are more adopters that are not quite as
> > competent as before, I couldn't
How long after end-of-life of the itanium chip will Debian keep the port to
IA64?
sorry for top-posting; that is how droid does.
Wolf Halton
http://sourcefreedom.com
Apache developer:
wolfhal...@apache.org
On Sep 30, 2012 6:40 AM, "Martin Steigerwald" wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 30. September 2012 sch
On 9/30/2012 6:02 AM, Wolf Halton wrote:
> How long after end-of-life of the itanium chip will Debian keep the port to
> IA64?
There's no requirement, that I am aware of, that says Debian must wait
until EOL of a processor before dropping support for it.
Anyone have a link to the "release inclusi
On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 01:47:55 -0500
> Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>
> Hello Stan,
>
>>name I suggest above allows even the most challenged users to
>>understand.
>
> I disagree. the use of the letters INTL are already established,
> admittedly in oth
On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 13:32 +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Am Freitag, 28. September 2012 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> > On Fri, 2012-09-28 at 02:52 -0400, Neal Murphy wrote:
> > > On Friday, September 28, 2012 02:35:49 AM Stan Hoeppner wrote:
> > > > The only permanent solution to this confusion is
On 10/1/2012 2:02 PM, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> Agreed, if you where going to change the name, x86-64 makes the most
> sense, is the most common name for it in the Linux community (MS users
> tend to use x64, which is absurd), and is technically accurate.
Actually, x86-64 is no longer technically ac
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