Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Knut Anders Hatlen
Daniel John Debrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Van Couvering wrote: Good news Lance, thanks, I was getting worried if we were going to have to regularly change column order and break existing applications/IDEs/etc. Hopefully we don't have any documented Derby specific additional

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
Andrew McIntyre wrote: On 6/20/06, Kathey Marsden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Matrigali wrote: I would like to see the fix for DERBY-1392 included in the 10.1.3 release if there is a second release candidate. While the bug is an edge error case, the result is a corrupt db. I believe

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1436) setEmbeddedCP.ksh and setNetworkCleitn.ksh does not work or gives wrong error message

2006-06-22 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen (JIRA)
setEmbeddedCP.ksh and setNetworkCleitn.ksh does not work or gives wrong error message - Key: DERBY-1436 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1436 Project: Derby Type: Bug

Regression Test Failure! - Derby 416051 - Sun DBTG

2006-06-22 Thread Ole . Solberg
[Auto-generated mail] *Derby* 416051/2006-06-21 19:46:07 CEST *derbyall* Failed TestsOK Skip Duration Platform --- *Jvm: 1.6* 15715700 0 106.56% SunOS-5.10_i86pc-i386 Details in

[jira] Assigned: (DERBY-1417) Add new, lengthless overloads to the streaming api

2006-06-22 Thread Kristian Waagan (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1417?page=all ] Kristian Waagan reassigned DERBY-1417: -- Assign To: Kristian Waagan Add new, lengthless overloads to the streaming api -- Key:

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1435) Conglomerate does not exist occurs in a specific case after dropping a table referenced by a trigger

2006-06-22 Thread JIRA
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1435?page=comments#action_12417279 ] Øystein Grøvlen commented on DERBY-1435: I have sometimes seen the same error message in another context. See DERBY-637. No triggers involved in my case and not

[jira] Assigned: (DERBY-1393) PreparedStatement.setObject(Object,int,int) should throw for unsupported types

2006-06-22 Thread Knut Anders Hatlen (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1393?page=all ] Knut Anders Hatlen reassigned DERBY-1393: - Assign To: Knut Anders Hatlen PreparedStatement.setObject(Object,int,int) should throw for unsupported types

Tuncation of trailing blanks and lengthless streaming overloads

2006-06-22 Thread Kristian Waagan
Hello, I'm working on DERBY-1417; adding new lengthless overloads to the streaming API. So far, I have only been looking at implementing this in the embedded driver. Based on some comments in the code, I have a few questions and observations regarding truncation of trailing blanks in the

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1437) Add new LRU Cache Manager

2006-06-22 Thread Gokul Soundararajan (JIRA)
Add new LRU Cache Manager - Key: DERBY-1437 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1437 Project: Derby Type: Improvement Components: Services Reporter: Gokul Soundararajan Assigned to: Gokul Soundararajan In databases,

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
David Van Couvering wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Hi David, I had a couple more comments on the compatibility commitments. Cheers-Rick - Changes to stored procedures: We will have to change column order if we add Derby-specific columns to a metadata ResultSet and then a later JDBC

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me think that it applies to something that the customer, the reader, cares about. I don't think the reader is particularly concerned about our transition to dita. If that is what

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1361) positioned updates and deletes allowed after a commit without repositioning the cursor - if the table is indexed on the columns selected

2006-06-22 Thread Andreas Korneliussen (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1361?page=all ] Andreas Korneliussen updated DERBY-1361: Attachment: DERBY-1361v2.diff DERBY-1361v2.stat Attaching an updated patch. Two more master files had to be updated because of

Re: Tuncation of trailing blanks and lengthless streaming overloads

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Kristian Waagan wrote: Hello, I'm working on DERBY-1417; adding new lengthless overloads to the streaming API. So far, I have only been looking at implementing this in the embedded driver. Based on some comments in the code, I have a few questions and observations regarding truncation of

Re: ADVICE REQUESTED: Fixing MessageBundleTest

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Hi David, You might want to wrap the test in a custom Ant Task. These are described in the Ant manual: Developing with Ant-Writing Your Own Task. You can then check the return status of the task and fail the build if appropriate. Regards, -Rick David Van Couvering wrote: Hm, a build-time

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1313) SUR: Use DRDA's extended diagnostic to send ROW_UPDATED and ROW_DELETED warnings.

2006-06-22 Thread Fernanda Pizzorno (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1313?page=all ] Fernanda Pizzorno updated DERBY-1313: - Attachment: derby-1313v1.pdf The attached document (derby-1313v1.pdf) contains a short description of the work done in DERBY-1313 and DERBY-1374,

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1395) Change the client SQLState to match that of embedded for the exception thrown on a closed statement whose connection is also closed

2006-06-22 Thread Deepa Remesh (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1395?page=comments#action_12417318 ] Deepa Remesh commented on DERBY-1395: - I had seen the first scenario (both connection and statement closed) in jdbcapi/checkDataSource.java.This is in the checkConnection

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-955) Get derbyall on jdk1.6

2006-06-22 Thread Olav Sandstaa (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-955?page=all ] Olav Sandstaa updated DERBY-955: Attachment: bug955_derbyall.diff This patch contains fixes to the following tests that are failing when running derbyall with jdk 1.6: * derbynetclientmats:

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-955) Get derbyall on jdk1.6

2006-06-22 Thread Olav Sandstaa (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-955?page=all ] Olav Sandstaa updated DERBY-955: Derby Info: [Patch Available] Get derbyall on jdk1.6 -- Key: DERBY-955 URL:

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Rick Hillegas wrote: Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me think that it applies to something that the customer, the reader, cares about. I don't think the reader is particularly concerned about our transition to dita.

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1435) Conglomerate does not exist occurs in a specific case after dropping a table referenced by a trigger

2006-06-22 Thread Deepa Remesh (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1435?page=comments#action_12417323 ] Deepa Remesh commented on DERBY-1435: - Thanks for looking into this Suresh. Now, I can see this from the traces too. We are re-using the prepared statement after table t1

Re: [jira] Commented: (DERBY-1435) Conglomerate does not exist occurs in a specific case after dropping a table referenced by a trigger

2006-06-22 Thread Deepa Remesh
On 6/22/06, Øystein Grøvlen (JIRA) derby-dev@db.apache.org wrote: I have sometimes seen the same error message in another context. See DERBY-637. No triggers involved in my case and not easily reproduced (but I have seen it several times). I had to shutdown and restart the database to make

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me think that it applies to something that the customer, the reader, cares about. I don't think the reader is particularly concerned

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1438) Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver

2006-06-22 Thread Olav Sandstaa (JIRA)
Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver Key: DERBY-1438 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1438 Project: Derby Type: Improvement

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Rick Hillegas wrote: David Van Couvering wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Hi David, I had a couple more comments on the compatibility commitments. Cheers-Rick - Changes to stored procedures: We will have to change column order if we add Derby-specific columns to a metadata ResultSet

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Knut Anders Hatlen wrote: Daniel John Debrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Van Couvering wrote: Good news Lance, thanks, I was getting worried if we were going to have to regularly change column order and break existing applications/IDEs/etc. Hopefully we don't have any documented

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me think that it applies to something that the customer, the reader, cares about. I don't think the reader is

[jira] Assigned: (DERBY-1438) Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1438?page=all ] David Van Couvering reassigned DERBY-1438: -- Assign To: David Van Couvering Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1438) Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1438?page=comments#action_12417330 ] David Van Couvering commented on DERBY-1438: I'll take a look at this and see what I can do. Thanks, Olav. Text written by SQLException.toString differs between

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me think that it applies to something that the customer, the reader,

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1440) ij running with client driver and jdk 1.6 omits chained exceptions in error messages

2006-06-22 Thread Olav Sandstaa (JIRA)
ij running with client driver and jdk 1.6 omits chained exceptions in error messages Key: DERBY-1440 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1440 Project: Derby Type: Bug

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
David Van Couvering wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: I can see that Private Stable applies to the client/server api. These apis should remain forward/backward compatible within a release family. Do Private Stable interfaces turn up in other situations? Yes, that's right. I wonder if

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1438) Text written by SQLException.toString differs between client and embedded driver

2006-06-22 Thread Olav Sandstaa (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1438?page=comments#action_12417334 ] Olav Sandstaa commented on DERBY-1438: -- Personally, I prefer the text written by the embedded driver (SQL Exception:) over the text written by the client driver

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Rajesh Kartha
Kathey Marsden wrote: Mike Matrigali wrote: I would like to see the fix for DERBY-1392 included in the 10.1.3 release if there is a second release candidate. While the bug is an edge error case, the result is a corrupt db. I believe there is little risk as again the path is not one usually

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Suresh Thalamati
Mike Matrigali wrote: I would like to see the fix for DERBY-1392 included in the 10.1.3 release if there is a second release candidate. While the bug is an edge error case, the result is a corrupt db. I believe there is little risk as again the path is not one usually taken. The change has

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Matrigali
Andrew McIntyre wrote: On 6/20/06, Kathey Marsden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Matrigali wrote: I would like to see the fix for DERBY-1392 included in the 10.1.3 release if there is a second release candidate. While the bug is an edge error case, the result is a corrupt db. I believe

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1429) Additional vulnerability to non-deterministic startup behavior when applications generate derby properties on the fly

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Matrigali (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1429?page=all ] Mike Matrigali updated DERBY-1429: -- Component: Services (was: Store) This issue should be handled by the monitor, not the store. Additional vulnerability to

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Jeff Levitt
--- Rick Hillegas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Thanks, Jean. The Edition line turns up in the visible text which appears in the printed document. That makes me

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1343) It is possible to have duplicate entries in conglomerateId of sysconglomerates before DERBY-655 was fixed in 10.0 or 10.1 databases. It is desirable to patch these databas

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Matrigali (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1343?page=all ] Mike Matrigali updated DERBY-1343: -- Component: (was: Store) this is an issue with the system catalogs, from discussions on list it looks like not a store issue. It is possible to have

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1156) allow the encrypting of an existing unencrypted db and allow the re-encrypting of an existing encrypted db

2006-06-22 Thread Mike Matrigali (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1156?page=all ] Mike Matrigali updated DERBY-1156: -- i reviewed and tested reencrypt_3.diff patch. it looks fine, i will let you commit. Still would like to see more testing, especially exercising the abort

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1156) allow the encrypting of an existing unencrypted db and allow the re-encrypting of an existing encrypted db

2006-06-22 Thread Suresh Thalamati
Mike Matrigali (JIRA) wrote: [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1156?page=all ] Mike Matrigali updated DERBY-1156: -- i reviewed and tested reencrypt_3.diff patch. it looks fine, i will let you commit. Still would like to see more testing,

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden
Andrew McIntyre wrote: If we have another release candidate, and assuming that the relevant fixes for it can be committed by Friday, are those testing the release candidate comfortable with a 72-hour turnaround on the vote for the new release candidate or will we need another two weeks? I

Re: [VOTE] 10.1.3.0 release

2006-06-22 Thread Andreas Korneliussen
+1 Based on test results: http://www.multinet.no/~solberg/public/Apache/index.html Andreas

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Jeff Levitt wrote: snip As the person who contributed the DITA-converted documentation, I can tell you I didn't bump the edition up based on that. I believe the pre-DITA documentation already said Second Edition. The pre-DITA (10.0) doc source says First Edition:

Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
+1 Regards, -Rick Jean T. Anderson wrote: Jeff Levitt wrote: snip As the person who contributed the DITA-converted documentation, I can tell you I didn't bump the edition up based on that. I believe the pre-DITA documentation already said Second Edition. The pre-DITA (10.0) doc

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1275) Provide a way to enable client tracing without changing the application

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1275?page=comments#action_12417349 ] Kathey Marsden commented on DERBY-1275: --- I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how to implement this improvement to provide a way to enable client tracing

Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Last week, Sun Microsystems announced that it will bundle Derby with the next major release of the reference jdk, Java SE 6, also known as Mustang or jdk1.6. If you download the latest Mustang build, you will see that it contains our Derby 10.2.0.3 snapshot in the db directory parallel to lib

Copyright format (was Re: [jira] Updated: (DERBY-1271) Release documentation for JDBC4 release)

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Rick Hillegas (JIRA) wrote: [ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1271?page=all ] Rick Hillegas updated DERBY-1271: - Attachment: derby-1271_copyrights.diff Attaching derby-1271_copyrights.diff. This adjusts dates in the visible

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden
Rick Hillegas wrote: The JCP requires that our JDBC4-exposing release can not be generally available until the JDBC4 specification is finalized. Is this something that the Derby community is bound to? Here are proposed dates for 10.2 milestones: August 10 - Feature work committed. 10.2

Re: Tuncation of trailing blanks and lengthless streaming overloads

2006-06-22 Thread Kristian Waagan
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Kristian Waagan wrote: Hello, I'm working on DERBY-1417; adding new lengthless overloads to the streaming API. So far, I have only been looking at implementing this in the embedded driver. Based on some comments in the code, I have a few questions and

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden
David Van Couvering wrote: Hi, Kathey, my silence (and I'm guessing the silence of others) was general approval of your comments. Did you update the page? I didn't see any change notifications fly by. Finally did it. What kind of clarification are you looking for? I'm afraid I'm

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Hi Kathey, Thanks for raising these issues. Here are some clarifications. Regards, -Rick Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: The JCP requires that our JDBC4-exposing release can not be generally available until the JDBC4 specification is finalized. Is this something that the

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: Last week, Sun Microsystems announced that it will bundle Derby with the next major release of the reference jdk, Java SE 6, also known as Mustang or jdk1.6. To be precise, Sun Microsystems announced that it will bundle Java DB with Mustang.

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: What happens between September 15 and End of October on the 10.2 branch? If we fix critical bugs during that time in the 10.2 branch can't they go into the release end of October? They should be able to. Since we won't

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1441) Allow client to be able to send greater than 32k query block size.

2006-06-22 Thread Sunitha Kambhampati (JIRA)
Allow client to be able to send greater than 32k query block size. --- Key: DERBY-1441 URL: http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1441 Project: Derby Type: Improvement Components: Network

[jira] Created: (DERBY-1442) Do performance analysis and come up with a good query block size value for the client to send to the server

2006-06-22 Thread Sunitha Kambhampati (JIRA)
Do performance analysis and come up with a good query block size value for the client to send to the server --- Key: DERBY-1442 URL:

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-959) Allow use of DRDA QRYDTA block sizes greater than 32K

2006-06-22 Thread Sunitha Kambhampati (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-959?page=comments#action_12417367 ] Sunitha Kambhampati commented on DERBY-959: --- Discussion happened on this issue on derby-dev. Here is the link to the discussion that happened on derby-dev

Re: [PRE-VOTE DISCUSSION] Compatibility rules and interface table

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Under Deprecated there is: A deprecated interface may be removed from the project after four minor and/or major releases. http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/ForwardCompatibility#head-b94fc1d3af5d38a917e2b6c754a8c4213e28f06e Not sure that really works. With an open source project there could be

Re: MySQL to Derby Migration Tool

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Ramin Moazeni wrote: Hello, I am a Google Summer of code participant working on the Derby Migration tool project. The High level design document is posted at http://wiki.apache.org/db-derby/MysqlDerbyMigration/DesignDocument It's great to see you doing this! There are 2 approaches

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks for your comments. Some further remarks follow. Regards, -Rick Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: What happens between September 15 and End of October on the

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks for your comments. Some further remarks follow. Regards, -Rick Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: What

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Rick Hillegas
Rick Hillegas wrote: Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks for your comments. Some further remarks follow. Regards, -Rick Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote: Kathey Marsden wrote: Rick Hillegas wrote:

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Rick Hillegas wrote: Daniel John Debrunner wrote: The mid-Sep Derby release candidate will be marked alpha or beta (JCP rules) so the databases won't upgrade anyway. I apologize for creating confusion here. We'd like Mustang to ship with a fully functional Derby, which creates

[jira] Updated: (DERBY-1320) Test lang/procedure.java fails with ibm1.5 jvm

2006-06-22 Thread Manjula Kutty (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1320?page=all ] Manjula Kutty updated DERBY-1320: - Attachment: procedure.java Test lang/procedure.java fails with ibm1.5 jvm -- Key: DERBY-1320

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Ok, this is very tricky. First, I'd like to make sure we're on the same page here about Java DB going into the JDK. I think in general the community thinks it's a good thing for Derby for Java DB to be in the JDK. It gives us great exposure and distribution. I also think the community

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
David Van Couvering wrote: ... In order for this to work, we need Java DB to be based on an official, GA-ready release of Derby to be what Sun redistributes in Mustang. Otherwise databases created in Mustang will be locked in to Java DB. The problem is that it can't *actually* be GA until

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Jean T. Anderson wrote: David Van Couvering wrote: ... In order for this to work, we need Java DB to be based on an official, GA-ready release of Derby to be what Sun redistributes in Mustang. Otherwise databases created in Mustang will be locked in to Java DB. The problem is that it can't

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Andrew McIntyre wrote: Call in the lawyers: From JSPA - 2.0.1 10 January 2005 [1], which presumably the ASF board has executed, being a JCP Member (they've even got quotes from Geir prominently featured on their about JCP 2.6 page [2]): 5.B. License to Create Independent

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Jean and Dan, you raise good points (a) what happens if someone downloads this GA-ready but not GA release of Derby. If for some reason we have to do a respin of the release (see (b)), how will they later know that it's not actually an official release of Apache? (b) is there a

[jira] Commented: (DERBY-1434) Client can send incorrect database name to server after having made multiple connections to different databases.

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden (JIRA)
[ http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-1434?page=comments#action_12417392 ] Kathey Marsden commented on DERBY-1434: --- Wish I could delete the comment but the early closed result set with is issue is not a valid symptom. This wrong line caused

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Andrew McIntyre wrote: Anyway, what's the trigger for breaching the contract here? If it's 'creation' alone, then rolling that release candidate surely qualifies as as creation. If it's 'creation and distribution,' well, is posting the release candidate in a public forum and on a public website

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Lance J. Andersen
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Andrew McIntyre wrote: Call in the lawyers: From JSPA - 2.0.1 10 January 2005 [1], which presumably the ASF board has executed, being a JCP Member (they've even got quotes from Geir prominently featured on their

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Rob Stephens
that was MUCH clearer than what rick wrote.. thanks David Van Couvering wrote: Ok, this is very tricky. First, I'd like to make sure we're on the same page here about Java DB going into the JDK. I think in general the community thinks it's a good thing for Derby for Java DB to be in the JDK.

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
David Van Couvering wrote: Andrew McIntyre wrote: Or maybe ask Geir, since he's VP of Java Community Process for the Apache Software Foundation, since similar instances may have come up fairly recently. [3] Even if we did ask Geir, he's not the last word on it. I'd rather hear it from

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Lance J. Andersen wrote: You cannot have a GA version of a JDBC 4 driver until JSR 221 goes final. Are you *sure* you can't *have* a GA version, e.g the bits can't exist somewhere, as long as they're not officially declared generally available? If we can't even create the bits, then it

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
OK, good point, thanks. David Daniel John Debrunner wrote: David Van Couvering wrote: Andrew McIntyre wrote: Or maybe ask Geir, since he's VP of Java Community Process for the Apache Software Foundation, since similar instances may have come up fairly recently. [3] Even if we did ask

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
Hi, Lance. Sorry I had to challenge you publicly on the list, but I'm really worried that if we're not very careful we are going to paint ourselves into a corner and we are going to have to fork Derby in order to do a Java DB release. I think we need the JCP lawyers (and it sounds like the

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread David Van Couvering
That said, it's probably also good to hear from the JCP as well. It would probably help the ASF gauge what their exposure is and what approaches they feel comfortable with. David David Van Couvering wrote: OK, good point, thanks. David Daniel John Debrunner wrote: David Van Couvering

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Lance J. Andersen
David Van Couvering wrote: Lance J. Andersen wrote: You cannot have a GA version of a JDBC 4 driver until JSR 221 goes final. Are you *sure* you can't *have* a GA version, e.g the bits can't exist somewhere, as long as they're not officially declared generally available? If we can't

Re: Proposal for 10.2 release schedule

2006-06-22 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi,Jean commented on David's post:... In order for this to work, we need Java DB to be based on an official,"GA-ready" release of Derby to be what Sun redistributes in Mustang.Otherwise databases created in Mustang will be "locked in" to Java DB.The problem is that it can't *actually* be GA until

catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
David posted a good summary of the legal catch-22 at [1]. But the shortest story is: + Mustang wants to ship a GA Derby 10.2, which supports JDBC 4.0. + Derby can't ship a GA 10.2 until JDBC 4.0 is GA, which is with Mustang. Let's keep this thread confined to the JCP issue Andrew raised that

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Jean T. Anderson wrote: David posted a good summary of the legal catch-22 at [1]. But the shortest story is: + Mustang wants to ship a GA Derby 10.2, which supports JDBC 4.0. + Derby can't ship a GA 10.2 until JDBC 4.0 is GA, which is with Mustang. Let's keep this thread confined to

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Brian McCallister
On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Daniel John Debrunner wrote: You cannot have a GA version of a JDBC 4 driver until JSR 221 goes final. Where does this restriction come from? Until a spec is final I don't see how you can have a certified compliant implementation of that spec. It might be as

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Jean T. Anderson
Jean T. Anderson wrote: David posted a good summary of the legal catch-22 at [1]. But the shortest story is: + Mustang wants to ship a GA Derby 10.2, which supports JDBC 4.0. + Derby can't ship a GA 10.2 until JDBC 4.0 is GA, which is with Mustang. Let's keep this thread confined to the

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: David posted a good summary of the legal catch-22 at [1]. But the shortest story is: + Mustang wants to ship a GA Derby 10.2, which supports JDBC 4.0. + Derby can't ship a GA 10.2 until JDBC 4.0 is GA, which is with Mustang. Let's

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Brian McCallister wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Daniel John Debrunner wrote: You cannot have a GA version of a JDBC 4 driver until JSR 221 goes final. Where does this restriction come from? Until a spec is final I don't see how you can have a certified compliant implementation

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Kathey Marsden
Brian McCallister wrote: If the interfaces happen to exist in a release before the spec is final, well, cool. Folks using them are at risk of the spec changing at the last minute, so I would put bright red warnings around them if they are event documented before the official release of the

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Kathey Marsden wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: If the interfaces happen to exist in a release before the spec is final, well, cool. Folks using them are at risk of the spec changing at the last minute, so I would put bright red warnings around them if they are event documented before

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Daniel John Debrunner wrote: Jean T. Anderson wrote: David posted a good summary of the legal catch-22 at [1]. But the shortest story is: + Mustang wants to ship a GA Derby 10.2, which supports JDBC 4.0. + Derby can't ship a GA 10.2 until JDBC 4.0 is GA, which is

Re: catch-22: Derby, Mustang, and JCP issue

2006-06-22 Thread Daniel John Debrunner
Brian McCallister wrote: On Jun 22, 2006, at 7:09 PM, Daniel John Debrunner wrote: You cannot have a GA version of a JDBC 4 driver until JSR 221 goes final. Where does this restriction come from? Until a spec is final I don't see how you can have a certified compliant