Re: finally...

2015-07-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
Testing as we speak... will commit if all OK :) On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Stefan Eissing stefan.eiss...@greenbytes.de wrote: ...got the test framework to PASS on my OS X against httpd/trunk built. I added more description of what I found in the README and checked that in. I have

Re: finally...

2015-07-16 Thread Stefan Eissing
Thanks, Jim! Am 16.07.2015 um 17:22 schrieb Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com: Testing as we speak... will commit if all OK :) On Jul 15, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Stefan Eissing stefan.eiss...@greenbytes.de wrote: ...got the test framework to PASS on my OS X against httpd/trunk built. I

finally...

2015-07-15 Thread Stefan Eissing
...got the test framework to PASS on my OS X against httpd/trunk built. I added more description of what I found in the README and checked that in. I have the attached patch to the test code itself, which I will not just dump on you. I think the changes are ok, but will wait for some feedback.

Finally able to make the flood (1.1) executable for Win32 (part 1)

2003-10-09 Thread Norman Tuttle
After making the modifications described in the last email I sent (namely, changed APR_HAVE_APR_ICONV back to APR_HAS_APR_ICONV in xlate.c), I still had to copy several library and include files manually, some of which I imported from my former build of flood and its dependencies about a year ago,

Re: Finally able to make the flood (1.1) executable for Win32 (part 2), diffs attached in -u3 as per request

2003-10-09 Thread Norman Tuttle
Attached are the two files of the diffs, done with the u3 option. The files in the flood-1.1 directory in this case are the originals and the current directory contains the modified files. I am providing a heads-up that I am experiencing issues, specifically on the Windows platform, likely, with

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Sander Striker
From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 14 October 2002 01:05 At 05:33 PM 10/13/2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:15 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read a single email on this thread. The ENTIRE POINT of

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Jim Jagielski wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Branch 2.1 now? Only if we want to release the auth changes with all of the upgrade issues of deprecating several released module. It doesn't matter that only the names have changed, this is called deprecating a module, and it

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread André Malo
* Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I believe mod_authz_host is a much better name for mod_access. It indicates that this module is only dealing with authorization based on the remote host components. mod_access can mean lots of things, but the fact that it was solely restricted to hostnames wasn't

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
André Malo wrote: hmm. It can also deny/allow from all, env or subnet. So I guess, mod_access is not really a bad name for the module, for (not serious) example: BrowserMatch MSIE dont-like-your-browser Deny from env=dont-like-your-browser if it had to be renamed, it might have been

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:30 AM 10/14/2002, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Branch 2.1 now? Only if we want to release the auth changes with all of the upgrade issues of deprecating several released module. It doesn't matter that only the names have

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Jim Jagielski
At 6:30 AM -0400 10/14/02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Branch 2.1 now? Only if we want to release the auth changes with all of the upgrade issues of deprecating several released module. It doesn't matter that only the names have

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Joshua Slive
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:36 PM -0400 Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more note: I'd like to see the rename of mod_access reversed. That just seems like a gratuitous change that hurts users and doesn't really help developers. Could you please

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-14 Thread Bill Stoddard
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:36 PM -0400 Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more note: I'd like to see the rename of mod_access reversed. That just seems like a gratuitous change that hurts users and doesn't really help developers. Could

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 04:05 PM 10/12/2002, Sander Striker wrote: From: Aaron Bannert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 October 2002 22:18 On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:37:07AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:39:28AM -0400, Jeff Stuart wrote: ... And now you want to create an Apache 2.1! Oy! Give the third party developers a LITTLE bit of time to catch up. :) The presence of an httpd 2.1 would have *ZERO* effect on them supporting a 2.0 release. If anything, it would

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Glenn
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 05:11:29PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: This is going to sound like a grumpy old man talking, but it's sounding more and more like that 2.0 tree is considered, by many of the developers, little more than a playground to hack around in. There seems very little regard for

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Glenn wrote: Glenn, thanks I had deleted Jim's message and I was re-creating it. You made it so I didn't have to. :-) On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 05:11:29PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote: This is going to sound like a grumpy old man talking, but it's sounding more and more

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Bill Stoddard
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:37:07AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would fit well in 2.1: async write support. And async read support, but that may take a lot longer. My belief is that you

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jeff Stuart
Speaking as an end user, my problem is this: Module development. PHP STILL does not officially support Apache 2. It is still marked as experimental. Mod_perl still doesn't support Apache 2. For me, these are the 2 third party modules I use. Yes, the onus DOES rest on the developers of these

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 06:18:41PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I think there is a much easier way to satisfy everybody and stay in the 2.0 tree. The problem right now, is that the MMN isn't granular enough. All we know, is that we broke binary compatibility. But, we don't know

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all of these cases, there was a developer or three, who created a CVS tree either in their home directories, or in the main CVS area. They made the major changes that they wanted to see made, and then they announced the changes to the list, and invited people to

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Greg Stein
On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 11:23:23PM -0400, Bill Stoddard wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:37:07AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would fit well in 2.1: async write support. And async read

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In all of these cases, there was a developer or three, who created a CVS tree either in their home directories, or in the main CVS area. They made the major changes that they wanted to see made, and then they announced

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Friday, October 11, 2002 10:59 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm calling for a consensus opinion that the mod_auth changes are simply too radical to introduce into a current version. We keep treating the GA tree as a development branch. Many newcomers (with

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Friday, October 11, 2002 10:00 PM -0700 Brian Pane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would fit well in 2.1: async write support. And async read support, but that may take a lot longer. My belief is

RE: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Sander Striker
From: Aaron Bannert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 12 October 2002 22:18 On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 10:37:07AM -0700, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would fit well in 2.1: async write support. And

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
This is going to sound like a grumpy old man talking, but it's sounding more and more like that 2.0 tree is considered, by many of the developers, little more than a playground to hack around in. There seems very little regard for end users or developers (API changes with every release... yeah,

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread johannes m. richter
Anyway, I've most likely upset a few people, and I apologize in advance. Just take these words from someone who *still* wants Apache to achieve world domination :) As a user I'll try to help achiving this goal ;) About the specific issue: I (again as a user) like the idea of at least putting

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
I finally figured out why a 2.1 branch bothers me so much. It isn't being done the way it should be done. When apache-nspr was created, it wasn't because there was a big discussion on-list and Dean decided to go do the work. When apache-apr was created, it wasn't because Bill, Manoj, and I

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Friday, October 11, 2002 10:00 PM -0700 Brian Pane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have a strong opinion about the authn redesign, but I do have one change in mind that would fit well in 2.1: async write support. And async read

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the message above, I don't think you are advocating a 2.1 branch. It sounds like you believe that we should take the time to finish 2.0 before moving on. Am I right in interpreting it that way? +++1 --

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
I am so sick of this conversation. 2.0 isn't done yet. It won't be done until it is actually stable, and it isn't currently stable. But, you have worn me down. Create a new fscking tree, populate it and begin working on it. I will be finishing 2.0. And yes, this is very harshly worded. We

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 11:21 PM 10/11/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sick of this conversation. 2.0 isn't done yet. It won't be done until it is actually stable, and it isn't currently stable. Fine. That's no reason to deprecate modules mid-stream. Was it a good choice to rename mod_access to

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: At 11:21 PM 10/11/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so sick of this conversation. 2.0 isn't done yet. It won't be done until it is actually stable, and it isn't currently stable. Fine. That's no reason to deprecate modules mid-stream.

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Greg Stein wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 06:18:41PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I think there is a much easier way to satisfy everybody and stay in the 2.0 tree. The problem right now, is that the MMN isn't granular enough. All we know, is that we broke

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:59 AM 10/13/2002, Greg Stein wrote: The API *is* stable. The auth changes did nothing to the API except to expand it a bit for *new* auth systems. Existing auth modules are unaffected. To the extent that they don't choose to use the new hooks, I believe you are right. Certainly no MMN

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 11:40 AM 10/13/2002, Jim Jagielski wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the message above, I don't think you are advocating a 2.1 branch. It sounds like you believe that we should take the time to finish 2.0 before moving on. Am I right in interpreting it that way? +++1 Then I want

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 06:39:28AM -0400, Jeff Stuart wrote: Speaking as an end user, my problem is this: Module development. PHP STILL does not officially support Apache 2. It is still marked as experimental. Mod_perl still doesn't support Apache 2. For me, these are the 2 third

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
aren't willing to do, is create a 2.1 tree where everybody is supposed to do their work. There is a good chance that the first few attempts at a 2.1 tree will fail and won't ever see the light of day. Please finally go back and read the messages where people have explained why they don't want

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:59 AM -0700 Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The API *is* stable. The auth changes did nothing to the API except to expand it a bit for *new* auth systems. Existing auth modules are unaffected. Exactly - we only reorganized our aaa modules. No hooks or

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 04:36 PM 10/13/2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:59 AM -0700 Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There were some directive changes, and certainly some different modules to load, but nothing in the API department. Moreover, I think we can deal with the directives

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Sunday, October 13, 2002 12:30 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So far, Two Bills beg that we defer the auth reorg to 2.1. If I hear three, I will consider it appropriate to veto the auth reorganization for 2.0, until we start 2.1. The technical justification

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
At 1:05 PM -0500 10/13/02, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Then I want to clarify ... you both object to the statement that developers within HTTP should be free to work on what they want. Obviously, you are both stating that we should not introduce 2.1 anytime real soon now. In a nutshell, here

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:57 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I challenge you to do so; document both the old and the new so that http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ clearly documents both the pre-new-auth and post-new-auth. I'm presuming it can't be done

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
. I proposed we create 2.1 to incorporate auth. Please finally go back and read the messages where people have explained why they don't want to branch. Also, as for the auth stuff, you seem to have completely ignored that Greg has offered a solution that might create backwards compat for the users

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:15 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read a single email on this thread. The ENTIRE POINT of this thread is that we have a radical change. Auth. Two Bills and who knows whom all else may concur that we can't reasonably

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Saturday, October 12, 2002 1:17 PM -0700 Aaron Bannert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That seems like a one-way street to me. How come it's ok to work on the auth changes in 2.0 but it's not ok for others? As Sander pointed out, the aaa changes were made first, then we voted on where they

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
how many times you ask for 2.1 for the auth work, the majority don't believe it warrants it. Please finally go back and read the messages where people have explained why they don't want to branch. Also, as for the auth stuff, you seem to have completely ignored that Greg has offered a solution

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
to rearrange this further, by trying to prevent user confusion. Of course, the few loud voices clearly aren't concerned about the confusion factor in the first place, so I suppose such concerns won't halt progress going forward. Please finally go back and read the messages where people have explained

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Jim Jagielski
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: You haven't read a single email on this thread. The ENTIRE POINT of this thread is that we have a radical change. Auth. Two Bills and who knows whom all else may concur that we can't reasonably force this change into 2.0 for docs and upgrade reasons. So we

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 05:33 PM 10/13/2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 5:15 PM -0500 William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You haven't read a single email on this thread. The ENTIRE POINT of this thread is that we have a radical change. Auth. Two Bills and who knows whom all

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread André Malo
* rbb wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: I did try to wrap my brain around documenting both pre and post auth in the same /docs-2.0/ tree. It didn't make any sense. Perhaps someone else can do better. I will write the docs to handle both. I commit to having them

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Joshua Slive
André Malo wrote: I've tried to find a solution. It's certainly not complete, but a first suggestion. I simply fetched the old module docs from the Attic, named them obs_* and modified the xslt a little bit. As proposed by Joshua they got the status Obsolete and also a large warning on top of

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:36 PM -0400 Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more note: I'd like to see the rename of mod_access reversed. That just seems like a gratuitous change that hurts users and doesn't really help developers. Could you please explain why breaking out the

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 08:36 PM 10/13/2002, Joshua Slive wrote: André Malo wrote: I've tried to find a solution. It's certainly not complete, but a first suggestion. I simply fetched the old module docs from the Attic, named them obs_* and modified the xslt a little bit. As proposed by Joshua they got the status

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-13 Thread rbb
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:36 PM -0400 Joshua Slive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One more note: I'd like to see the rename of mod_access reversed. That just seems like a gratuitous change that hurts users and doesn't really help

Re: Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-12 Thread Brian Pane
On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 20:59, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Let's get cracking and we can have a 2.1 release out by year end, depending on how far we go with changes in that version. Certainly some of the file-based stuff can finally be separated out, even if not as radically as GStein has

Auth: Start the httpd-2.1 branch finally?

2002-10-12 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
some of the file-based stuff can finally be separated out, even if not as radically as GStein has proposed. 2.0 is good, and should continue to be bugfixed for many months. But with 2.1, we can let people start adopting threaded modules with worker and really let the 3rd party module authors

apr_lock.h API finally deprecated!

2002-04-09 Thread Aaron Bannert
I've finally removed the apr_lock.h API from httpd and apr. I just did another update on another machine to make sure I didn't miss anything, but it's still possible that something's weird on a platform that I don't [normally] use (netware and especialy win32). I'll make note

Re: apr_lock.h API finally deprecated!

2002-04-09 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Aaron Bannert wrote: I've finally removed the apr_lock.h API from httpd and apr. I just did another update on another machine to make sure I didn't miss anything, but it's still possible that something's weird on a platform that I don't [normally] use (netware and especialy win32). Index

Re: apr_lock.h API finally deprecated!

2002-04-09 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 02:30 AM 4/9/2002, Aaron Bannert wrote: Yup, I just posted something similiar to dev@apr. I was hoping that one of the primary win32 developers could fix this up for us. Done. But did you overlook something? ssl_engine_mutex.c D:\clean\httpd-2.0\modules\ssl\ssl_engine_mutex.c(72) : warning

Re: apr_lock.h API finally deprecated!

2002-04-09 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:56:25AM -0500, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Done. But did you overlook something? ssl_engine_mutex.c D:\clean\httpd-2.0\modules\ssl\ssl_engine_mutex.c(72) : warning C4013: 'apr_lock_create' undefined; assuming extern returning int