Hi Cor,
Cor Nouws wrote on 2010-07-05 23.28:
I want to express my special thanks to Florian, who did a great job in
this discussion. In fact a difficult situation, potentially embarrasing,
but with a good end.
Also I do very much appreciate the attitude and understanding of Maho,
Kazuhiro et al
Hi all,
Florian Effenberger wrote (01-07-10 11:49)
KAZUHIRO TERADA wrote on 2010-07-01 03.06:
No, I'm not discouraged. This is a great opportunity to discuss people
in the project.
indeed. It's a discussion we should have done earlier before, but I'm
glad that we managed it now :-)
I want
Hi Kaz,
KAZUHIRO TERADA wrote on 2010-07-02 06.07:
Thanks for your treatment. I hope I can attend OOoCon this year, but
the moments I'll not be able to leave Japan because of work. I wanna
see you one day!
would be fantastic! If you attend, let me know, I'll definitely like to
give you someth
Hi, Florian
> By any chance, will you attend OOoCon in Budapest? Maybe I at least can
> bring a t-shirt and some other nice merchandise for you ;)
Thanks for your treatment. I hope I can attend OOoCon this year, but
the moments I'll not be able to leave Japan because of work. I wanna
see you one
Hi Kaz,
KAZUHIRO TERADA wrote on 2010-07-01 03.06:
No, I'm not discouraged. This is a great opportunity to discuss people
in the project.
indeed. It's a discussion we should have done earlier before, but I'm
glad that we managed it now :-)
I understood. What we need is to clarify fund iss
Hi Kaz,
KAZUHIRO TERADA wrote on 2010-07-01 03.10:
An additional comment. I accepted your rejection.
thanks a lot. Again, I'm sorry that it just "hit" you, but I'm glad you
understand the reasons.
By any chance, will you attend OOoCon in Budapest? Maybe I at least can
bring a t-shirt and s
Hi, Florian
An additional comment. I accepted your rejection.
Thank you.
KAZ
2010/7/1 KAZUHIRO TERADA :
> Hi, Florian
>
> Thanks for your comment.
>
>> I hope you are not discouraged because of the discussion that just came up.
>> I'm glad you contributed to the project, and I really value your
Hi, Florian
Thanks for your comment.
> I hope you are not discouraged because of the discussion that just came up.
> I'm glad you contributed to the project, and I really value your
> contribution, so please don't mistake this discussion as a criticism to your
> work.
No, I'm not discouraged. Th
Hi Kaz,
I hope you are not discouraged because of the discussion that just came
up. I'm glad you contributed to the project, and I really value your
contribution, so please don't mistake this discussion as a criticism to
your work.
It's great to see things going on and people contributing to
From: Alexandro Colorado
Subject: Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o,
Terada-san
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:42:46 -0500
> point on not getting to hang on presedent. I dont see any problem
> saying "yes" to JA and later on saying "NO" to some o
Hello, All
I'm KAZUHIRO TERADA, a supplier of this issue. As Nakata-san
mentioned, I just joined in JA marketing project, thus I don't know
anything about backgrounds of this issue. If I mention anything
unreasonable, I say "forgive me" before doing so.
What I did for this work is ...
Work Detail
У нед, 20. 06 2010. у 23:42 -0500, Alexandro Colorado пише:
> We are not such worried if in the past it was done or not. Which is my
> point on not getting to hang on presedent.
The big difference comparing to Internship and other programs is that
there is a defined process agreed on by the Commun
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado
wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Ian wrote:
>> On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 01:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Starting to pay individual work is a real danger we should be careful of.
>>
>> Agreed but...
>>
>>> Mozilla is qu
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Ian wrote:
> On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 01:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>
>>
>> Starting to pay individual work is a real danger we should be careful of.
>
> Agreed but...
>
>> Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla
>> folks, and th
would love to hear
>> what exactly has been done and how much time it took approximately.
> For that, I asked terada-san.
>
> Thanks
> Nakata Maho
>
> From: Florian Effenberger
> Subject: Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o,
> Terada-san
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 20:06 +0800, Peter Junge wrote:
>
> I think Ian's idea is to top-up OOo community budgets with fundings from
> the EU. That would indeed be great. I'm not an expert on that but AFAIK
> publicly funded projects usually include temporary, sometimes part time,
> employment op
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 15:47 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Setting up this, however, requires lots of time and money,
Not really, a foundation was set up by the OpenDocument fellowship in
the US and we did a not for profit company limited by guarantee as a not
for profit here in the UK - cos
Hi Ian,
Ian wrote on 2010-06-20 13.47:
So why has an OOo foundation never been set up? If one had been set up
10 years ago maybe we would have millions of dollars to spend. If
started now maybe in 10 years we won't be having the same
conversation ;-) But really that is down to the CC as I can't
Hi,
Peter Junge wrote on 2010-06-20 14.06:
I think Ian's idea is to top-up OOo community budgets with fundings from
the EU. That would indeed be great. I'm not an expert on that but AFAIK
publicly funded projects usually include temporary, sometimes part time,
employment options.
I agree to t
Hi Florian,
Florian Effenberger wrote:
Hi Ian,
Ian wrote on 2010-06-20 09.34:
[...]
One way to pay volunteers for work would be for a group of volunteers to
raise money eg through an EU grant or other enterprise and use it to
target specific parts of the project. That is really no different
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 12:50 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> Ian wrote on 2010-06-20 09.34:
>
> >> Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla
> >> folks, and they are in a much more luxury situation than we are.
> >
> > The question is why? What is it abou
Hi Cor,
Cor Nouws wrote on 2010-06-20 13.13:
For the Japanese project it is an unlucky situation that they apparently
were not aware of this.
one more point to add:
If funding can help a local community to strongly grow or start, then
there may be exceptions. If we can invest some money and
Hi Florian,
Florian Effenberger wrote (20-06-10 01:19)
Let's see what others say.
I agree with your practical explanation of and vision on the situation.
It is how we work.
For the Japanese project it is an unlucky situation that they apparently
were not aware of this.
Two other issues:
a
Hi Ian,
Ian wrote on 2010-06-20 09.34:
Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla
folks, and they are in a much more luxury situation than we are.
The question is why? What is it about Mozilla that is different from
OOo?
the difference is that Mozilla
1. has a fou
On Sun, 2010-06-20 at 01:19 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>
> Starting to pay individual work is a real danger we should be careful of.
Agreed but...
> Mozilla is quite hard to compare with us. I know many of the Mozilla
> folks, and they are in a much more luxury situation than we are.
Hi,
a few more thoughts to sum things up:
In general, paying travel, lodging and other costs (expenses) for
community members is a good thing, I'm all for it, given certain rules
are met.
Payment for volunteer work should never occur. It is just too risky, we
cannot satisfy everyone's needs
Hi,
Maho NAKATA wrote on 2010-06-20 00.46:
If it is right, everything can be done by voluntter basis. Since what
Sun Microsystem has been done for OOo.
It's very difficult to human resources. Finding sponsor for CD-ROM
might be much more easy.
I guess we all have similar issues. When it come
ove to hear
> what exactly has been done and how much time it took approximately.
For that, I asked terada-san.
Thanks
Nakata Maho
From: Florian Effenberger
Subject: Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o,
Terada-san
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:11:05 +0200
> Hi Maho,
Hi,
Le 19 juin 2010 à 16:56, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
>
> Hi Italo,
>
> Italo Vignoli wrote on 2010-06-19 16.05:
>> Sorry, I didn't see the original request. I'm totally against it, as
>> this is something that should fall into voluntary work. I think that the
>> marketing budget should co
On 6/19/10 12:11 , Florian Effenberger wrote:
I'm a bit undetermined of this request. It always gets complicated when
money is used for work that has been (or can be) done on a volunteer basis.
Sorry, I didn't see the original request. I'm totally against it, as
this is something that should
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli wrote on 2010-06-19 16.05:
Sorry, I didn't see the original request. I'm totally against it, as
this is something that should fall into voluntary work. I think that the
marketing budget should cover expenses, not time or work. As a budget
approver, I will vote against it.
Hi Maho,
Maho NAKATA wrote on 2010-06-16 04.27:
I'm the project lead of ja.oo.o, and I'd like to request 1000
Euro for Terada-san's top page renewal work for http://ja.openoffice.org/ .
Following instruction
at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets,
ht
marketing] Re: [marcon] Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page
renewal at ja.oo.o, Terada-san
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:55:32 +0200
> Hi all,
>
> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote (17-06-10 16:42)
>>
>> On 2010-06-17, at 03:26 , Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Maho,
>
>
> On 2010-06-17, at 10:55 , Cor Nouws wrote:
>
>> There will be some draft for funding approval guidelines soon (..). So I
>> think that is a good moment to look at details: what can reasonably be
>> considered useful to fund.
>
> of course. for anything like this, careful scrutiny and strong arg
On 2010-06-17, at 10:55 , Cor Nouws wrote:
> There will be some draft for funding approval guidelines soon (..). So I
> think that is a good moment to look at details: what can reasonably be
> considered useful to fund.
of course. for anything like this, careful scrutiny and strong argument is
Hi all,
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote (17-06-10 16:42)
On 2010-06-17, at 03:26 , Peter Junge wrote:
Hi Maho,
Maho NAKATA wrote:
Hello, Florian, John, Cor and Italo, (Cc: Terada-san) I'm the
project lead of ja.oo.o, and I'd like to request 1000 Euro for
Terada-san's top page renewal work for http
On 2010-06-17, at 03:26 , Peter Junge wrote:
> Hi Maho,
>
> Maho NAKATA wrote:
>> Hello, Florian, John, Cor and Italo,
>> (Cc: Terada-san)
>> I'm the project lead of ja.oo.o, and I'd like to request 1000
>> Euro for Terada-san's top page renewal work for http://ja.openoffice.org/ .
>
> I see on
From: Peter Junge
Subject: Re: [marketing] Fund request for top page renewal at ja.oo.o,
Terada-san
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:26:13 +0800
> Hi Maho,
>
> Maho NAKATA wrote:
>> Hello, Florian, John, Cor and Italo,
>> (Cc: Terada-san)
>> I'm the project lead of
Hi Maho,
Maho NAKATA wrote:
Hello, Florian, John, Cor and Italo,
(Cc: Terada-san)
I'm the project lead of ja.oo.o, and I'd like to request 1000
Euro for Terada-san's top page renewal work for http://ja.openoffice.org/ .
I see one really big issue here. OOo has about 100 sub-domains for
langu
Hello, Florian, John, Cor and Italo,
(Cc: Terada-san)
I'm the project lead of ja.oo.o, and I'd like to request 1000
Euro for Terada-san's top page renewal work for http://ja.openoffice.org/ .
Following instruction
at
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council/Funding_And_Budgets
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