Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Hi Scott: Yep, some of us are just ignorant stooges easily amused by the meaningless wasting of time. IMO, to be any other way would be arrogant and too judgmental. Hope you have a great day! Regards, Ruth Scott Gray wrote: I'm constantly amazed by how little you know about how Apache projec

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Yep, thanks Jacques. The essential point we seem to ignore is that *one* negative vote/objection from a PMC member on a commit is enough to require a revert. This is implemented both in standard voting for proposals for code changes and in lazy consensus objections. Jacopo On Mar 8, 2010, at

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

I think Jacopo, and I guess most of us, was/is expecting a http://www.apache.org/foundation/glossary.html#LazyConsensus (also called "Consensus Gauging through Silence" at http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#LazyConsensus) Jacques From: "Jacopo Cappellato" On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:45 AM

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Hans Bakker wrote: > It would also be interesting to know what the opinion of our new PMC > chair Jacopo is, he is awfully quiet. When we do not agree, he has to > take a decision. We should all immediately stop to throw out in this public list incorrect statements a

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Hans, Please keep to send about this subject to the dev community and not me alone. It finally looks like all this comes from misunderstanding, inline... From: "Hans Bakker" Jacques, Ok i did not see he updated it. so now legal is no problem?? I really get confused, when legal is no problem

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The log states: Reverted commit 919905 in order to ensure that this twitter account is not being misrepresented. Will send this to legal and if this is ok, will put this back.:q so lets wait until he gets an answer from legal. Regards, hans On Mon, 2010-03-08 at 11:02 +0100, Jacques Le Roux

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Hans, I think as Tim said in the modified log of r920213 we are only waiting that you send us (committers) the credentials. For the news section, I think your 1st intend was better, and from what I have understood from Tim's comment he also agree. So my opininon is that as soon as all commiter

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Jacques, Let first see what Tims actions will result in. I did not sent any passwords yet. It would also be interesting to know what the opinion of our new PMC chair Jacopo is, he is awfully quiet. When we do not agree, he has to take a decision. I still think that with this twitter feed i provid

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David, Something has to be done because, to be clear, Hans was not taking into account our comments repeated 2 or 3 times. I tried this harsh way because I knew it will do something. As I said I did not like to do it and actually I was expecting some reactions. It seems that it's not a success s

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Understood on all points David - I was responding more to you on the general topic and I understand your concerns from Jacques post. Thanks for clarifying - and keep the book references coming! Cheers, Ruppert On Mar 7, 2010, at 5:02 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > I agree with you Tim, effecti

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I agree with you Tim, effective giving and responding to feedback is vitally important to successful collaboration and all of us working together to build a strong community and make good software. Scott's response to my recent multi-tenant changes is a great example of such feedback, and hopef

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I'm constantly amazed by how little you know about how Apache projects operate. http://www.apache.org/ contains an absolute a lot of information and more than anything I suggest you read the pages under "How it works". I can't imagine why you would possibly be enjoying this thread but I guess so

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My real question would be why is it always "hurting" people to bring up that the rules as they have been defined have been broken again? What was done wasn't correct, people mentioned it nicely, but then that wasn't ok - and it goes from there. The simple process of someone breaking the rule

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H... given the misunderstanding of other things I've written (seems to be from an incorrect guess at motives and goals for what I write), I guess we'll see how this goes. Maybe in advance I should say that my point is that "Justice" is not an effective way to get people to do, or not do, so

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:55 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:56 PM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, David E Jones wrote:

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 7, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:56 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:56 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: >> >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >>> It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is n

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I have any revenge in this. Justice is "follow the rules". Who make the rules is another problem. Jacques From: "David E Jones" What does justice have to do with this? Also, is justice really a priority for people? I'll state clearly that it is not for me. Justice is highly subjective and u

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On Mar 7, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: > >> >> On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote: >> >>> It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you >>> are doing marketing. That sounds like a re

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Actually most stuff that is done without discussion on this list is simply not discussed. The private list is primarily for discussing more sensitive topics, like inviting new committers and PMC members. That is why when people ask about such things or seem to be interested in becoming a commi

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What does justice have to do with this? Also, is justice really a priority for people? I'll state clearly that it is not for me. Justice is highly subjective and usually just a nice way of saying "revenge". -David On Mar 7, 2010, at 9:29 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Scott Gray" >>>

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, David E Jones wrote: > > On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > >> It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you >> are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw the line. >> For instance, I don't put my

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

On Mar 7, 2010, at 6:51 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote: > It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you > are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw the line. > For instance, I don't put my blog messages up there when they're not going to > directly

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

From: "David E Jones" On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account. I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase "Apache OFBiz" ar

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that must be for all the stuff that gets in with no discussion on this list, is done. also I doubt new developers read this list since most post on the user list. lastly I don't think what jacques is saying is something that should not the said out in the open. ===

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On Mar 7, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the > credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account. > I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the > phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks:

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

Hi Scott: What private list? I thought this was a transparent process that everyone should have access to. BTW, you guys are a real "hoot". I'm enjoying every bit of this thread. Regards, Ruth Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or G

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From: "Scott Gray" I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks: http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of this page in the following) So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

From: "Jacques Le Roux" Hi Jacopo, For me all the "news" from service providers are not real news because 1) there is nothing new in them 2) they are not external to the project, so I think they devaluate the other news (how insiders can be objective?) 3) some service providers may trust this

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Not much more to say, inline... From: "Tim Ruppert" Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: From: "Tim Ruppert" It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw

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Inline Cheers, Ruppert On Mar 7, 2010, at 7:35 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > From: "Tim Ruppert" >> It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you >> are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw the line. >> For instance, I don't put my blog m

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>> I should be pretty clear at this moment. The works "Apache" "OFBiz" and the >> phrase "Apache OFBiz" are ASF trademarks: >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ (I use references to sections of >> this page in the following) >> So they can't be used in domain name (cf. section "Using Apach

Re: svn commit: r919905 - /ofbiz/site/index.html

From: "Tim Ruppert" It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw the line. For instance, I don't put my blog messages up there when they're not going to directly help users - just like Wikipedia, o

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Scott, Could you explain which part(s) I'm mis-interpreting and what is irrelevant in my message? Jacques From: "Scott Gray" Jacques, you are mis-interpreting the contents of that ASF document and I really would prefer it if you kept your thoughts to the private list. This way we can correc

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It IS news when there is a new tutorial out there. It is not news when you are doing marketing. That sounds like a reasonable place to draw the line. For instance, I don't put my blog messages up there when they're not going to directly help users - just like Wikipedia, only the facts. We ha

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Jacques, you are mis-interpreting the contents of that ASF document and I really would prefer it if you kept your thoughts to the private list. This way we can correct you before you start scaring people away from marketing the project for us. Thank you Scott On 7/03/2010, at 2:20 AM, Jacques

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Hi Jacopo, For me all the "news" from service providers are not real news because 1) there is nothing new in them 2) they are not external to the project, so I think they devaluate the other news (how insiders can be objective?) 3) some service providers may trust this place as an area for their

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Hi Jacques, On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > Also I wonder if we should not restrict the New section at > http://ofbiz.apache.org/ to real news and not service providers marketing. Could you please show some examples of news items that should not be there? Jacopo > Becaus

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Also I wonder if we should not restrict the New section at http://ofbiz.apache.org/ to real news and not service providers marketing. Because this is really devaluating the news IMO. We could though introduce a new section for this kind of "news", what about "Services providers help you" Jacque

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Hey guys, This could be so easy :/ Hans agreed to give the credentials to all commiters but he asked us to send him a demand. We don't need to ask, if it's open Hans sould send all commiters the credential to share apache_ofbiz Twitter account. I should be pretty clear at this moment. The work

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Hans, please revert this one too - sorry. It wouldn't make sense for all service providers to do this - so please let's not keep doing this stuff. What i would recommend for this kind of stuff, if we need to list it at all, would be to enhance the service providers page on the wiki. I me

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I know the feeling. Has been that way since I have been working with ofbiz. not sure why hans is pointed out. = BJ Freeman http://bjfreeman.elance.com Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation Specialty

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I'm only going to send one email about this, If anyone else cares they can push it. This is news: > http://www.twitter.com/apache_ofbiz/"; target="_blank">Now OFBiz on > TWITTER, follow the news from an enduser perspective, up to one > tweet per day. A link to your home page is not: > You can a