Kay Schenk wrote:
On SOME distros who handle this a little better/politely, the LO binary
has been renamed to "libreoffice", and a symlink from "soffice" to
libreoffice (/usr/bin/libreoffice --a custom packaging ) is supplied which
can easily be removed.
Actually, the official LibreOffice pa
On 4 December 2013 20:10, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
> On 12/4/2013 10:19 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
I have no problem to make this more public. If LO want to be
independent
On 12/4/2013 10:19 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
I have no problem to make this more public. If LO want to be
independent
they should not use our package names, binary names etc.
in fact, so you'r
On 04-Dec-2013, at 13:19, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
>
>>> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
>>
>>> I have no problem to make this more public. If LO want to be
>>> independent
>>> they should not use our package names, binary nam
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> > From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
>
> > I have no problem to make this more public. If LO want to be
> > independent
> > they should not use our package names, binary names etc.
>
> in fact, so you're absolutely right. I am
> From: Jürgen Schmidt [mailto:jogischm...@gmail.com]
> I have no problem to make this more public. If LO want to be
> independent
> they should not use our package names, binary names etc.
in fact, so you're absolutely right. I am a normal Linux user and the situation
on Linux is extremely co
On 12/3/13 10:28 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 3 December 2013 21:12, jan i wrote:
>
>> I have (for ubuntu) tried to read through the policies which was a
>> nightmare.
>
>
> The first thing would be to get into Debian. I recall the steps there
> were set out (basically, have an install set that
On 3 December 2013 21:12, jan i wrote:
> I have (for ubuntu) tried to read through the policies which was a
> nightmare.
The first thing would be to get into Debian. I recall the steps there
were set out (basically, have an install set that doesn't conflict in
any way with LO - however fair or
On 3 December 2013 21:30, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 01/12/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>>> It is natural that private or public entities considering a migration
>>> will
>>> have their established consultants and ask them. But we should hav
On 01/12/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
It is natural that private or public entities considering a migration will
have their established consultants and ask them. But we should have enough
"official" information available to anybody who is considerin
Regarding notifying Canonical... I'd be happy to do so, as I'm sure
others would. Just need to get a single assignee for it. I'd be
curious to hear why they wouldn't include AOO as a trusted package, if
they did decline the offer.
louis
On 2 December 2013 13:15, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 2
Am 12/02/2013 08:54 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:22, Ian Lynch wrote:
We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it.
This is not a new thing and I've asked that we provide clear clear
instructions to naive users (like, oh, me) about how to ch
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted
> package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to
> cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the
> user. Anyone is free to
On 02-Dec-2013, at 02:54, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:22, Ian Lynch wrote:
>>> We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it.
>> This is not a new thing and I've asked that we provide clear clear
>> instructions to naive users (like, oh, me) ab
Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted
package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to
cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the
user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other
distro, a
On 11/30/13 11:45 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
>> wrote:
Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> Yesterday we reach
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:22, Ian Lynch wrote:
We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it.
This is not a new thing and I've asked that we provide clear clear
instructions to naive users (like, oh, me) about how to change it
without going geek.
There's a step-by-st
Hi Glenn,
On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag
wrote:
> Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with
> AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice?
LibreOffice.
The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the
On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:22, Ian Lynch wrote:
> We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it.
This is not a new thing and I've asked that we provide clear clear instructions
to naive users (like, oh, me) about how to change it without going geek.
If you, or anyone wants to script a simpl
Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with
AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice?
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with it -
> well certainly no more th
We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with it -
well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I suggest
if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its really up
to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that
ass
On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk wrote:
> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user to
> install anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I
> switched to Linux, I can assure you.
It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other LInuxe
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 17:45, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 02:23:02PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>
> It would be good to update the charts at
> http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html The most recent data is
> from 29/10
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 02:23:02PM -0500, Rob Weir wrote:
> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
It would be good to update the charts at
http://www.openoffice.org/stats/downloads.html The most recent data is
from 29/10 with 75 million downloads.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata,
On 01-Dec-2013, at 10:55, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Hagar Delest
> wrote:
>> Le 01/12/2013 16:38, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>
>>> I think you are confusing the perceptions within the echo-chamber of
>>> open source insiders with the reality in the real world.
>>
>>
>> But
Hagar,
On 01-Dec-2013, at 10:43, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 01/12/2013 16:17, Louis Suárez-Potts a écrit :
>> But our goal, or at any rate, my goal, and I think that of others on the
>> PMC, is to promote the qualities of AOO the product and the great community
>> that makes it. And also to enco
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:49 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 01/12/2013 16:38, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> I think you are confusing the perceptions within the echo-chamber of
>> open source insiders with the reality in the real world.
>
>
> But can't we use this echo-chamber too?
I don't see the value.
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 30/11/2013 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:22, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> And let's not forget that Emilia-Romagna recently announced a
>>> migration to OpenOffice
>
>
> (the discussion has evolved into many interesting
Le 01/12/2013 16:38, Rob Weir a écrit :
I think you are confusing the perceptions within the echo-chamber of
open source insiders with the reality in the real world.
But can't we use this echo-chamber too?
But ok, that's to be discussed in the proposed discussion by Louis.
Hagar
-
Le 01/12/2013 16:17, Louis Suárez-Potts a écrit :
But our goal, or at any rate, my goal, and I think that of others on the PMC,
is to promote the qualities of AOO the product and the great community that
makes it. And also to encourage those working on anything related to join us,
in this effo
Hi
I propose we start a real and maybe even interesting thread on marketing (and
also dev, if so be it) concerning strategy for moving ahead.
I would love for us to be positive and fact-based.
I would love for us to invite discussion and then action.
I would love it if we could enunciate *why* we
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 01/12/2013 14:35, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the ordinary computer user has no idea of the base of
>>> underlying code or of its source. He is only aware of the tit
On 01-Dec-2013, at 10:01, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 01/12/2013 14:35, Rob Weir a écrit :
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, the ordinary computer user has no idea of the base of
>>> underlying code or of its source. He is only aware of the title of the
Changed subject.
On 01-Dec-2013, at 09:53, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> I learned that my region is migrating to OpenOffice from a post by Rob to
> this list. They had never contacted the project in public or in private. It's
> OK of course; they are not forced to do so; but it deserves a reflecti
Le 01/12/2013 14:35, Rob Weir a écrit :
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
Unfortunately, the ordinary computer user has no idea of the base of underlying
code or of its source. He is only aware of the title of the package he uses,
and this dominates perception.
True. B
On 30/11/2013 Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:22, Rob Weir wrote:
And let's not forget that Emilia-Romagna recently announced a
migration to OpenOffice
(the discussion has evolved into many interesting directions, but I'm
picking this message for answering)
The main issue I
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:43:12 +0100
> Guy Waterval wrote:
>
>> Hi Hagar,
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/1 Hagar Delest
>>
>> > Le 30/11/2013 23:15, Rob Weir a écrit :
>> >
>> > In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way
>> >> diminish
On Sun, 1 Dec 2013 13:43:12 +0100
Guy Waterval wrote:
> Hi Hagar,
>
>
> 2013/12/1 Hagar Delest
>
> > Le 30/11/2013 23:15, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >
> > In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way
> >> diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel
> >> go
Hi Hagar,
2013/12/1 Hagar Delest
> Le 30/11/2013 23:15, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
> In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way
>> diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel
>> good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache
>> OpenOffi
Le 30/11/2013 22:10, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :
It would be best if the silent mapping of OpenOffice to LibreOffice on many
linux distros could be stopped. Use a common linux distro, try to install
OpenOffice using the package manager, and what does one get - LibreOffice.
Exactly.
We still have
Le 30/11/2013 23:15, Rob Weir a écrit :
In any case, the thing to keep in mind is that we are in no way
diminished if someone decides to use LibreOffice. We should feel
good whenever anyone uses our code, whether in the original Apache
OpenOffice or whether in the winPenPack verison, the BSD po
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On 30-Nov-2013, at 17:45, Kay Schenk wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
>> wrote:
Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> Yesterda
To: market...@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: "Alphonso Whitfield III" ,
dev@openoffice.apache.org
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 5:15:14 PM
Subject: Re: 80 million downloads
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:56, Alphonso Whitfield III
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On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
> wrote:
> >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I a
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>>
>> From: "Louis Suárez-Potts"
>> To: market...@openoffice.apache.org, "Alphonso Whitfield III"
>>
>> Cc: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>> Sent: Sa
: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM
Subject: Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500
> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>>
>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>
>>&
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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 4:08:52 PM
Subject: Re: 80 million downloads
On 30-Nov-2013, at 15:47, Alphonso Whitfield III
wrote:
> The Libre Office is getting acceptance because of its affiliation with the
> Ubuntu desktop and server operating platfo
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On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:22, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> Indeed. In fact, their effort has gone in cycles, and those cycles seem to
>> me related to the job tenacity of a few. Of more interest, as it relates to
>> actualities, would be Munich's migration but also other cities' in Italy.
>>
>
> And l
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
>> wrote:
>>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>>
Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I also s
Hi
On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:10, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:06:01 -0500
> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
>> wrote:
>>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>>
Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>
> It would be best if the
Hi,
On 30-Nov-2013, at 16:06, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
> wrote:
>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>
>>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>>
>>
>> Well, I also saw this:
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:06:01 -0500
Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest
> wrote:
> > Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >
> >> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
> >
> >
> > Well, I also saw this:
> > https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php
e.org
> Cc: market...@openoffice.apache.org
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 2:35:54 PM
> Subject: Re: 80 million downloads
>
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500
>> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>>
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>
>
> Well, I also saw this:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South
> Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) a
On 30-Nov-2013, at 14:15, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500
> Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
>>
>> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100
>>> Hagar Delest wrote:
>>>
Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 13:56:19 -0500
Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
> On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100
> > Hagar Delest wrote:
> >
> >> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> >>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
> >>
> >> Well,
On 30-Nov-2013, at 13:01, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100
> Hagar Delest wrote:
>
>> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
>>> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>>
>> Well, I also saw this:
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62
On Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:44:13 +0100
Hagar Delest wrote:
> Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
> > Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>
> Well, I also saw this:
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425 (South Tyrol
> government to standardise on LibreOffice)
Le 27/11/2013 20:23, Rob Weir a écrit :
Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
Well, I also saw this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=62425
(South Tyrol government to standardise on LibreOffice) and especially the quote from last
post: "We opted for LibreOffice
Hi,
On 27.11.2013 20:23, Rob Weir wrote:
Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
cool - just four weeks ago we had 75.000.000 downloads.
Approx. 1.250.000 downloads per week is great and motivating.
Especially, when I see that on just one German IT magazine website [1]
(Windows), [2] (Ma
cool :-) Is that 4.x only, or 3.4.x as well?
On 27 November 2013 19:23, Rob Weir wrote:
> Yesterday we reached 80,072,389 downloads.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
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