Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
Daves Lists wrote: I just replied to the Usability improvement ideas thread on this before I noticed this thread. All 4 of my nodes reject for the same reason. They don't like the default config. I had to reduce the max connections down to 256 and raise the threads to around 300. Thats the only way

[freenet-dev] Re: I/O error replying

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Stone Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello freenet-dev, I am using FUQID to download and I am getting an error saying "I/O error replying." I put freenet on Debug logging and got these two interesting messages: Nov 3, 2003 3:44:25 PM (freenet.node.states.request.DataPending, QThread- I have no idea if is w

[freenet-dev] Re: Suggest change to "General Information! page (was Re: rejections)

2003-11-03 Thread Martin Stone Davis
Tom Kaitchuck wrote: On Monday 03 November 2003 02:03 pm, Ken Corson wrote: Martin Stone Davis wrote: Another idea: If the user has a "red alert" show a brief description as a link on the main page. If the user clicks on the link, he's taken to the "General Information" or the "Self Diagnostics"

[freenet-dev] Report form a Firewalled node.

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
About a week ago I said I would set up an unstable node that was deliberately firewalled to see if it could be of any use to the network. Here are the results. First I was running unstable at the current version of it. Then when 5031 came out I switched to that. I currently have over 300 connec

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Daves Lists
I just replied to the Usability improvement ideas thread on this before I noticed this thread. All 4 of my nodes reject for the same reason. They don't like the default config. I had to reduce the max connections down to 256 and raise the threads to around 300. Thats the only way I can stop it reje

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:13:44AM +, Toad wrote: So you are suggesting that the reason that routing sucks is that nodes constantly reject 80%+? Perhaps you are right, but from what I have seen the rejection is mostly because of bandwidth usage... is that the consensus? Why do your nodes reject

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability improvement ideas

2003-11-03 Thread Daves Lists
One thing I've noticed is that the default config seems to overload on lower end CPU's. The 4 machines I've installed(750 Duron, 1g athlon, 2xPIII750, 4xPIIXEON450) all QR about 80% of the requests. If I drop the max connections to 256 and increase the threads to 300 I only QR about 20% of the time

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: > > They don't have to be world writable. The node that has it writes to it. > > If it is under an SSK and is signed by that key, it can't do anything and > > get away with it. Then it enforces only allowing the other keys listed to > > append their

Re: [freenet-dev] For a bit of brevity.

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote a new version of "Our Lord's Prayer" I'm busting out laughing at this one !!! Even when things are not quite going right, a little humor (humour for some) goes a long, long way. ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
Somebody wrote: This strongly suggests that routing is not doing terribly great. The suspicion is that there is some form of network fragmentation going on. Ian refuses to admit the possibility of network fragmentation, so I am wondering how to produce extraordinary evidence to support my extraordi

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 09:13 pm, Toad wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:54:52PM -0500, Ken Corson wrote: > > Toad wrote: > > >I added routingSuccessRatioCHK. > > > > > > do people download stuff through fuqid that only succeeds after > > >dozens of retries? > > > toad_: yes. > > > toad_: and

Re: [freenet-dev] Thwarting cancer nodes.

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 09:11 pm, Toad wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:58:56PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > On Monday 03 November 2003 06:16 pm, Toad wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:35:57AM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > > > Cancer nodes currently pose a serious threat to the net

[freenet-dev] Network load infolet

2003-11-03 Thread Frank v Waveren
It looks like the network load infolet displays the number of incoming requests, not the number of handled requests. My pre-NIO node used to handle no more than 1800qph (running on a low power machine), but recently 30k qph and more aren't unusual. This suggests a much greater improvement then ther

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Frank v Waveren
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 03:13:44AM +, Toad wrote: > So you are suggesting that the reason that routing sucks is that nodes > constantly reject 80%+? Perhaps you are right, but from what I have seen > the rejection is mostly because of bandwidth usage... is that the > consensus? Why do your node

[freenet-dev] For a bit of brevity.

2003-11-03 Thread auto38955
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Our content, which rot's in datastore be our holy grail hallowed be CHK By fuqid come till splitfile is redone give us please a spare thread and not RNF as we DNF lead us not to EarthStation but deliver us from Ian For thine is the JVM and t

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Frank v Waveren
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:04:25AM +, Toad wrote: > AFAICS, NGRouting should have *more* obvious specialization than classic > routing, because of the relatively small amount of information in the > estimators. Classic routing allowed many tiny specializations - > NGRouting doesn't understand s

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Colin Davis
Okay, so how are we going to not allow them to install the JRE from our site without installing the software? If the non-indexable directory was (even trivially) password protected, and the installed knew to request http://[EMAIL PROTECTED] it would be hard to argue that the Freenet project was

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread fish
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:03:29PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: > > That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we > > have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now > > somebody would reintrodu

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: rejections

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:10:10PM -0500, Ken Corson wrote: > Toad wrote: > >On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:30:58PM +0100, Niklas Bergh wrote: > >The real question is: how much of your outgoing bw > >is used up by QR:s, how much is used by routing requests, and how much > >is used up by "re

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:54:52PM -0500, Ken Corson wrote: > Toad wrote: > >I added routingSuccessRatioCHK. > > > > do people download stuff through fuqid that only succeeds after > >dozens of retries? > > toad_: yes. > > toad_: and through frost too > > Heck, that's how most of my fproxy download

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:07:25PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: > > > How can the next to last node in the chain know how long the message took > > > to get to it? Doesn't it just estimate how long it would take to get it > > > successfully. > > > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Thwarting cancer nodes.

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 07:58:56PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2003 06:16 pm, Toad wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:35:57AM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > > Cancer nodes currently pose a serious threat to the network. However > > > stopping them is not simple, especial

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Stable Build 5030

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 02:05:59AM -, Pete wrote: > >And now, for Toad to eat a little crow... > > I hear toads more partial to Chinese foods... Actually I'm not. > > > > >Toad wrote: > > > >> Freenet stable build 5031 is out. Everyone running stable should > >> upgrade. The one and only ch

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 08:46 pm, Toad wrote: > > How can the next to last node in the chain know how long the message took > > to get to it? Doesn't it just estimate how long it would take to get it > > successfully. > > Uhm, what? The calculation assumes that if the request fails, the origin >

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Stable Build 5030

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:53:38PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Ok, time to rip this apart. > > Before I do, I want to first point out, that I _DO_ appreciate what you > people are trying to do, and that I _DO_ think you are all excellent > coders. > > Your people skills, and managerial deci

Re: [freenet-dev] Will FCP InvertPrivateKey continue to be supported?

2003-11-03 Thread David McNab
On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 19:04, Edgar Friendly wrote: > Checking, it _is_ in the FCP spec on the website. I > should probably put the 'dangerous' flag in the spec to discourage > people from using it. Please *don't* do that - it's an incredibly useful function. Without it, clients have to insert a d

Re: [freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
Toad wrote: I added routingSuccessRatioCHK. do people download stuff through fuqid that only succeeds after dozens of retries? toad_: yes. toad_: and through frost too Heck, that's how most of my fproxy downloads go i set my retries at 25 in fproxy when downloading splitfiles lately soros: M

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Measuring node/network health (was Re: Path to 0.6)

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 01:57:17AM +, Toad wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:28:51AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > > Martin Stone Davis wrote: > > >Ian Clarke wrote: > > >>As I have said on a few occasions, the best measurement we could have > > >>of NGR's performance would be a mean difference

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 08:22:08PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2003 07:18 pm, Toad wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > > On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: > > > > You are implying that frost is the cause of thi

Re: [freenet-dev] 5030 thread woes

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:43:45PM -0500, Mathew Ryden wrote: > My node has been running quite well since 5030 was released, but it has now > hit a snag. It has overloaded due to excessive thread use. No OOMs reported. > > Odd settings: > connection limit: 368 > -Xmx368M > maxThreads: 600 > > fre

[freenet-dev] Interesting statistics and anecdotes

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
I added routingSuccessRatioCHK. The typical value appears to be somewhat lower than routingSuccessRatio, *DESPITE* the fact that Frost does not poll CHKs and hasn't for ages (a year or so). Around 0.01 on lostlogic's ubernode, and not far off that on my rather lightly loaded node. Would be interes

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 07:18 pm, Toad wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: > > > You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I > > > think the frost project has to die becaus

Re: [freenet-dev] New York Times on Freenet

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
1. Please don't post HTML without setting the MIME type. 2. Please don't post HTML full stop except when discussing HTML to include in Freenet. 3. It's a hell of a lot better than either nothing or what we've had in the past. On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:13:18PM -0500, Nick Tarleton wrote: > New Yor

Re: [freenet-dev] New York Times on Freenet

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:31:04PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Steven Starr wrote: > >Last week the advocates' efforts to keep the documents online took > >another step as Freenet, an international anticensorship organization > >that promotes the anonymous distribution of files, obtained copies of

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:04:10PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> 1. Freenet installer asks where the Freenet software should be > >> installed > >> 2. Freenet installer asks separately where shared system files should > >> be installed > >> 3. If Java not dete

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:42:00PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Sebastian Spaeth wrote: > >1. Freenet installer asks where the Freenet software should be installed > >2. Freenet installer asks separately where shared system files should be > >installed > >3. If Java no

Re: [freenet-dev] Freenet promotes poor connections

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:38:04AM +, Jonathan Howard wrote: > Pruning the routing table first deletes nodes with Consecutive Failures, > which is fine. (I can see sometimes that I wouldn't always want this, > but that's another issue) > > What I see now are alot of the nodes with high Conne

RE: [freenet-dev] Freenet Stable Build 5030

2003-11-03 Thread Pete
Hmm Toad 's Tied up so I'll field this one >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 02 November 2003 01:54 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Stable Build 5030 > > >Ok, time to rip this apart. >

Re: [freenet-dev] Analsis of contents of datastore.

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:30:32PM -0500, Nick Tarleton wrote: > Why not periodically bring all the files in the DS up to date? Or to be even more > devious, periodically set them to random dates within the uptime of the node? Becuase LRU is a basic part of the algorithm. > > -Original Messa

Re: [freenet-dev] Analsis of contents of datastore.

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:54:29PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > One thing that recently occurred to me, that I had not previously seen > discussed here is that if someone were to analyze the contents of a data > store to try to determine if the owner of the store had requested a > particular fi

Re: [freenet-dev] Thwarting cancer nodes.

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 06:16 pm, Toad wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:35:57AM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > > Cancer nodes currently pose a serious threat to the network. However > > stopping them is not simple, especially an anti-specialization attack, as > > discussed previously. My previ

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Measuring node/network health (was Re: Path to 0.6)

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:28:51AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Martin Stone Davis wrote: > >Ian Clarke wrote: > >>As I have said on a few occasions, the best measurement we could have > >>of NGR's performance would be a mean difference between estimated and > >>actual response times. This measur

Re: [freenet-dev] Measuring node/network health (was Re: Path to 0.6)

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:59:50PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Martin Stone Davis wrote > >Tracy R Reed wrote: > >>If you expect only a .08% psuccess and barely a hint of specialization > >>that's fine but I rather expected a bit more. :) My psuccess is slowly > >>creaping up (it was .02% for so lon

Re: [freenet-dev] Measuring node/network health (was Re: Path to 0.6)

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:59:50PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Martin Stone Davis wrote > >Tracy R Reed wrote: > >>If you expect only a .08% psuccess and barely a hint of specialization > >>that's fine but I rather expected a bit more. :) My psuccess is slowly > >>creaping up (it was .02% for so lon

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.32,1.33

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv25689/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Add support for FailureEntrys w/o FailItems which are there for ignoring DNFs only. Index: FailureTable.java ===

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node Main.java,1.290,1.291

2003-11-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv25547/src/freenet/node Modified Files: Main.java Log Message: 6302: Add new diagnostic routingSuccessRatioCHK. Index: Main.java === RC

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/rt NGRouting.java, 1.18, 1.19 TerminatableRouting.java, 1.6, 1.7 TreeRouting.java, 1.30, 1.31 TreeRoutingTable.java, 1.28, 1.29

2003-11-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/rt In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv25547/src/freenet/node/rt Modified Files: NGRouting.java TerminatableRouting.java TreeRouting.java TreeRoutingTable.java Log Message: 6302: Add new diagnostic routingSuccessRatioCHK. Ind

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet Version.java,1.498,1.499

2003-11-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv25547/src/freenet Modified Files: Version.java Log Message: 6302: Add new diagnostic routingSuccessRatioCHK. Index: Version.java === RCS fi

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/states/request RequestState.java, 1.20, 1.21

2003-11-03 Thread Matthew Toseland
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/states/request In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv25547/src/freenet/node/states/request Modified Files: RequestState.java Log Message: 6302: Add new diagnostic routingSuccessRatioCHK. Index: RequestState.java

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 06:03:29PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: > > That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we > > have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now > > somebody would reintrodu

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:03:34PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: > > You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I > > think the frost project has to die because it is killing the rest of the > > network. But I'm not

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 11:24:42AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Tracy R Reed wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: > >toad, last week I think. I don't have the IRC logs hanging around. > > Well, toad is big enough and ugly enough to defend his own statements. >

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:58:03AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 09:41:23AM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: > > When and who "scoffed"? Quotes please. I was carefully picking through > > the NGR code and encouraging others to do-so. The scientific method is > > to conduc

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:45:25AM +, Toad spake thusly: > That is not a solution. Frost works, somebody would reimplement it, we > have no enforcement capability against them, and if frost died now > somebody would reintroduce it post 1.0 and mess up a network adapted to > no Frost. We need to

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tracy R Reed
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:42:02AM +, Toad spake thusly: > > that's fine but I rather expected a bit more. :) My psuccess is slowly > > creaping up (it was .02% for so long) so hopefully it's just a matter of > > Are you sure that's % ? 0.02% = 0.0002... Oops, you are right. Should be .02 or

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:10:13AM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:12:33PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: > > > If you expect only a .08% psuccess > > > > How do you know that 92% of requests aren't for data that isn't in the > > network. > > You are implying that frost

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:16:32PM -0800, Tracy R Reed wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 08:41:45PM +, Ian Clarke spake thusly: > > With NGR finally starting to meet expectations, we need to think about > > what lies between now and our 0.6 release. > > If you expect only a .08% psuccess and b

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:36:43AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Dave Hooper wrote: > >>In practice, a common-sense interpretation, > >>which takes into account the "spirit" of what is being said, is the way > >>lawyers (after you have paid them lots of money) will generally advise. > > > >Ye-e...

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 12:19:49AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Roger Hayter wrote: > >I have followed this discussion with interest. It seems to me that if > >you put the JRE on your server, in a non-listable directory (perhaps > >even password protected) and avoid publishing the path and file na

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:40:42PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Dave Hooper wrote: > >>I explained to Sun's lawyers exactly what we were doing and they said > >>its fine. Even if there is still some uncertainty over the exact > >>language they used, our efforts to clarify this issue are more than >

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:57:43PM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > Dave Hooper wrote: > >How about renaming freenet-java-webinstall.exe to freenet-webinstall.exe? > >There, that fixes the problem. Now there's only one version. > > I don't think forcing users to needlessly re-download the JRE will win

Re: [freenet-dev] Windows Installers [yet again]

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 10:54:18AM +, Ian Clarke wrote: > After several months we are still deliberately complicating the > installation process for Windows users by having separate Java and > non-Java installers. Our users simply shouldn't have to know what Java > is to use Freenet, let al

Re: [freenet-dev] Thwarting cancer nodes.

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 02:35:57AM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > Cancer nodes currently pose a serious threat to the network. However stopping > them is not simple, especially an anti-specialization attack, as discussed > previously. My previously proposed solution would not work, because someone

re: [freenet-dev] Freenet Stable Build 5030

2003-11-03 Thread auto72257
Ok, time to rip this apart. Before I do, I want to first point out, that I _DO_ appreciate what you people are trying to do, and that I _DO_ think you are all excellent coders. Your people skills, and managerial decisions, however, need some serious help on occasions. Toad wrote: > Freenet sta

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: rejections

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
Toad wrote: On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:30:58PM +0100, Niklas Bergh wrote: The real question is: how much of your outgoing bw is used up by QR:s, how much is used by routing requests, and how much is used up by "real" data. I wish I knew how to tell this. Check outputBytes* in the diagnostics. Low

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:19:43PM -0800, pineapple wrote: > Uh oh! I have another idea for this! Another > weakness with this attack is the assumption that is > made about what constitutes a nearby key. Right now > all nodes arrange their estimator keyspace internally > in the same manner. Why

Re: [freenet-dev] packet-level compression

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:55:38PM -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote: > Zlatin Balevsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > We are often sending 10s of messages in a single packet; most of these > > messages are very similar (i.e. QRs). While each message in itself > > isn't well compressible because of

Re: [freenet-dev] Frost and Routing - yet another idea

2003-11-03 Thread pineapple
--- Some Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > --- Some Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- pineapple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- Nick Tarleton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Maybe just XOR with a randomly chosen

Re: [freenet-dev] A couple bugs and an idea

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:07:21PM -0600, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Friday 31 October 2003 06:13 am, Some Guy wrote: > > People are goint to whin: > > "but you'll know about all the naughty things in my store!!! no no no" > > I say "premix routing+private cache will be implemented someday in the me

Re: [freenet-dev] Discrepancy between reported and actual output bytes (was Re: rejections)

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:27:59PM -0800, Martin Stone Davis wrote: > Ken Corson wrote: > > and Martin Stone Davis wrote: > > > From servlet/nodestatus/diagnostics/outputBytesLow/minute: > > > From servlet/nodestatus/diagnostics/outputBytes/minute: > > > > ahhh, another peek into what's going on

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: rejections

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 11:30:58PM +0100, Niklas Bergh wrote: > > >>The real question is: how much of your outgoing bw > > >>is used up by QR:s, how much is used by routing requests, and how much > > >>is used up by "real" data. I wish I knew how to tell this. > > > > > > > > > Check outputBytes*

[freenet-dev] I/O error replying

2003-11-03 Thread teabag
Hello freenet-dev, I am using FUQID to download and I am getting an error saying "I/O error replying." I put freenet on Debug logging and got these two interesting messages: Nov 3, 2003 3:44:25 PM (freenet.node.states.request.DataPending, QThread- 49, DEBUG): failing: I/O error replying with dat

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Some suggestions for NG routing

2003-11-03 Thread Toad
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 01:18:47PM -0500, Tom Kaitchuck wrote: > On Friday 03 October 2003 01:41 pm, Toad wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 09:43:53AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:12:31AM -0400, Ed Tomlinson wrote: > > > > 1. The NG weight calculation contains 4 terms

Re: [freenet-dev] Duplicated emails

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Toad moderates it and passes through valid mail, so unsub'd mails will just take till toad gets to em to get on the list. --B On Mon, 11/03/03 at 23:20:38 -, Dave Hooper wrote: > Hm, so some of my emails are being duplicated. Part of the problems > definitely at my end :-) but the ones From

[freenet-dev] Duplicated emails

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
Hm, so some of my emails are being duplicated. Part of the problems definitely at my end :-) but the ones From a non-subscribed email address should have bounced, no? d ___ Devl mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mai

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
> I think we should emphasize that Freenet is GPLed and the user CAN give it > away. Besides the user does not have to accept the GPL to run the program. True. Although that's not conveyed in the current installer either, which has the user 'accept' the GPL before installing Freenet. > Why not j

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
> I think we should emphasize that Freenet is GPLed and the user CAN give it > away. Besides the user does not have to accept the GPL to run the program. True. Although that's not conveyed in the current installer either, which has the user 'accept' the GPL before installing Freenet. > Why not j

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 02:24 pm, Dave Hooper wrote: > Ok, I don't really have any time to do this, but I'm updating the build > instructions for the windows installer. One step at a time. > > Now: > Install NSIS > Install upx for windows (even if you already have it for cygwin) > Make sure you

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.31,1.32

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv27598/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: After talking to zab, make DNFs on things in the failure table even less likely to actually affect routing. Index: Fail

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Suggest change to "General Information! page (was Re: rejections)

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 02:03 pm, Ken Corson wrote: > Martin Stone Davis wrote: > > Another idea: If the user has a "red alert" show a brief description as > > a link on the main page. If the user clicks on the link, he's taken to > > the "General Information" or the "Self Diagnostics" page. W

Fw: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
> I just downloaded j2sdk-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.bin. When you run this, it > displays the license notice and then asks: > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > If you don't say yes, it won't install. Keep up, Jim. Try downloading the installer and running it in SILENT mode (th

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
> I just downloaded j2sdk-1_4_2_02-linux-i586.bin. When you run this, it > displays the license notice and then asks: > > Do you agree to the above license terms? [yes or no] > > If you don't say yes, it won't install. Keep up, Jim. Try downloading the installer and running it in SILENT mode (th

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.30,1.31

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv19782/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Whee, nothing important, just kinda a 'key' for the page. Index: FailureTable.java =

[freenet-dev] 5030 thread woes

2003-11-03 Thread Mathew Ryden
My node has been running quite well since 5030 was released, but it has now hit a snag. It has overloaded due to excessive thread use. No OOMs reported. Odd settings: connection limit: 368 -Xmx368M maxThreads: 600 fred does have a few hundred (~800) non-local ipv4 connections going to it. Some of

Re: [freenet-dev] Path to 0.6

2003-11-03 Thread Tom Kaitchuck
On Monday 03 November 2003 02:10 am, Tracy R Reed wrote: > You are implying that frost is the cause of this? If that's the case I > think the frost project has to die because it is killing the rest of the > network. But I'm not sure that it is. It would be nice if there were a > psuccess measuremen

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Ian Clarke wrote: > Jim Dixon wrote: > > On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Java is distributed under license. That license requires that the end > > user acknowledge Sun's copyright. Silent installation is a copyright > > violation, it breaks the license. > > If

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/rt ResponseTimeEstimator.java, 1.30, 1.31 HistoryKeepingRoutingPointStore.java, 1.1, 1.2

2003-11-03 Thread Niklas Bergh
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/rt In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv8069/src/freenet/node/rt Modified Files: ResponseTimeEstimator.java HistoryKeepingRoutingPointStore.java Log Message: Initial/testing version of Routing flux lines. Can be seen at most-de

Re: [freenet-dev] Inserting via Web Interface broken

2003-11-03 Thread Niklas Bergh
Does this happen to you everytime you try to insert something from the web interface? Is there any error messages in the log? /N - Original Message - From: "Jusa Saari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: [freenet-dev] Inserting via

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.29,1.30

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv1348/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Do accounting of total blocks and ignores, not just blocks and ignores caused by current entries Index: FailureTable.jav

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.28,1.29

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv26789/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Just add accounting of total blocks and total ignores to the HTML (It'd be better if these could go ahead of the tables,

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
Ok, I don't really have any time to do this, but I'm updating the build instructions for the windows installer. One step at a time. Now: Install NSIS Install upx for windows (even if you already have it for cygwin) Make sure your makensis.exe and upx/bin/upx.exe paths are in %PATH% Run build.bat

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet Version.java,1.497,1.498

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv22045/freenet/src/freenet Modified Files: Version.java Log Message: 6301: Niklas: Refactoring of routing points OCM PeerHandler mode is default Add some color methods for future graph improvements Me: Imp

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Suggest change to "General Information! page (was Re: rejections)

2003-11-03 Thread Ken Corson
Martin Stone Davis wrote: Another idea: If the user has a "red alert" show a brief description as a link on the main page. If the user clicks on the link, he's taken to the "General Information" or the "Self Diagnostics" page. We will have to design the alerts so that they are using "smoothed"

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Dave Hooper
> > Java is distributed under license. That license requires that the end > > user acknowledge Sun's copyright. Silent installation is a copyright > > violation, it breaks the license. > > If true, why would they document that functionality on their website? I think that silent installation impl

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Ian Clarke
Jim Dixon wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Java is distributed under license. That license requires that the end user acknowledge Sun's copyright. Silent installation is a copyright violation, it breaks the license. If true, why would they document that functionality on their we

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.27,1.28

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv8950/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Damnit, another 'doh' in the FT, once this is tested, I should probably bump the version, cuz it is pretty bad. Index: F

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node FailureTable.java,1.26,1.27

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4324/freenet/src/freenet/node Modified Files: FailureTable.java Log Message: Add a counter for number of DNFs ignored per FailureEntry Make HTML easier on browsers and eyes by separating into bunches

[freenet-CVS] freenet/src/freenet/node/rt NGRouting.java,1.17,1.18

2003-11-03 Thread Brandon Low
Update of /cvsroot/freenet/freenet/src/freenet/node/rt In directory sc8-pr-cvs1:/tmp/cvs-serv4324/freenet/src/freenet/node/rt Modified Files: NGRouting.java Log Message: Add a counter for number of DNFs ignored per FailureEntry Make HTML easier on browsers and eyes by separating into bunc

Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Windows Installer

2003-11-03 Thread Jim Dixon
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The more I think about it the more it makes sense to silently install Java > to wherever the user asks to put Freenet. That is, if we're going to > silently install Java anywhere. I wasn't aware there was a 'standard Java is distributed under licens

Re: [freenet-dev] Analsis of contents of datastore.

2003-11-03 Thread Nick Tarleton
Why not periodically bring all the files in the DS up to date? Or to be even more devious, periodically set them to random dates within the uptime of the node? -Original Message- From: Tom Kaitchuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Nov 2, 2003 11:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [freenet-dev

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