Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread John Champa
oups.com >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, >Emergency Data >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 21:05:16 -0700 > >ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > >At 08:48 AM 8/24/2006, kd4e wrote: > > >Movements toward standardization are fraugh

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread KV9U
The thing that holds most of us back from alternate power is the cost and safety issue. It is not without risk and you have to trade the cost and benefit. I agree that each individual case does not determine what most might want to do, but 99% won't be doing much with emergency power. It is not

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Dave Bernstein
>>>AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< I have no idea how much ALE will take root in the future via Amateur Radio period, I would love to see at least one station Sounding 24/7 on each Amateur Band (excluding 60m) from 160

re: KATRINA and ALE - Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, I wanted to make this a separate message for some reading regarding ALE and Katrina, I do not know all the details of ALE use by all the agencies involved, many just take it for granted actually, below is an item to read related to the subject of ALE and Katrina that I have made note

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread Steve Hajducek
GM Rick, At 11:07 AM 8/27/2006, you wrote: >Hi Steve, > >I do have an 80 amp hour AGM battery under my operating position that >is kept trickle charged. While this is not that common, there are some >hams who have at least rudimentary backup power capability. In the last >year or so, there was a

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-27 Thread KV9U
Hi Steve, I do have an 80 amp hour AGM battery under my operating position that is kept trickle charged. While this is not that common, there are some hams who have at least rudimentary backup power capability. In the last year or so, there was a poll to see how many ARES/RACES HF stations in

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Dave Bernstein
Thanks, Steve. I'd have thought that putting the tuner in bypass during receive would be problematic in terms of received signal strength, but if local coverage is the objective perhaps this isn't an issue. A multiband antenna, as I mentioned in a previous post, would be an alternative. Multi

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Dave Bernstein
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Dave Bernstein > Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 3:20 PM > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency > Data > > > > --- In digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
At 11:26 AM 8/26/2006, you wrote: >--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >wrote: > > >snip< > > > >The ALE antenna issue is a major one for either portable or fixed >though. > >How's that? > >I have a NVIS antenna that above that range starts to look like a >random

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Harold Aaron
urday, August 26, 2006 3:20 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data --- In digitalradio@ <mailto:digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< > &

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Dave Bernstein
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< > >The ALE antenna issue is a major one for either portable or fixed though. How's that? I have a NVIS antenna that above that range starts to look like a random wire with gain that is a 125 foot dipole ma

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, I just had to take a break from the .NET C++ compiler to reply to this one, day job work and other demands have slow my responses the past few days, although I will try to reply some of the other messages flying about if I can make the time At 12:40 PM 8/26/2006, you

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-26 Thread KV9U
Running a laptop under emergency conditions is not that practical other than for short duration events. If you want to have ALE available you need to keep the software running or else the ALE selcal would be missed. For regular communications with AC power, then no problem. The ALE antenna issu

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread Mark Miller
I just had my first experience with ALE in the last couple of days. Before ALE my station could operate on 40 through 10 meters. I have an ICOM 746pro, and a 1/2 sized G5RV. I have been using sound card modes for a few years, so I already had a soundcard interface and the necessary rig contr

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread Dave Bernstein
>>>AA6YQ comments below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "expeditionradio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >snip< > > Rick, KV9U wrote: > > - The technology you recommend requires considerable extra > > equipment (computers/interfaces/frequency agile antennas > > and band hopping) which is f

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Rick, You bring up some good points. > Rick, KV9U wrote: > - The technology you recommend requires considerable extra > equipment (computers/interfaces/frequency agile antennas > and band hopping) which is fairly complicated Actually, it requires nothing more than the usual ham radio rig

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread Bill Aycock
It's not just funny, it's HILARIOUS!! (see below) Bill At 07:09 AM 8/25/2006 -0700, you wrote: >ORIGINAL MESSAGE: > >At 06:31 PM 8/24/2006, kd4e wrote: > > >and Linux the most powerful for the user to > >customize. > > REPLY FOLLOWS > >That's funny! > >Reminds me of the

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread KV9U
Hi Bonnie, Several points to ponder: -Is this cross banding something that can be done whenever the two parties wish to do so so? I am not familiar with this except for special temporary type authorization by the FCC based upon 97.111(a) such as for Armed Forces Day and certain RACES stations

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread kd4e
>> and Linux the most powerful for the user to >> customize. > > REPLY FOLLOWS > > That's funny! > > Reminds me of the ad for a old car that is a rusted out pile of junk > with the comment "ready for restoration". > > Made my day. > > Bill, W6WRT You miss the realit

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 06:31 PM 8/24/2006, kd4e wrote: >Nonsense, people buy inferior products all the >time based on price, availability, and popularity. REPLY FOLLOWS You have totally missed the point. You are considering only one factor - technical superiority - in d

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 06:31 PM 8/24/2006, kd4e wrote: >and Linux the most powerful for the user to >customize. REPLY FOLLOWS That's funny! Reminds me of the ad for a old car that is a rusted out pile of junk with the comment "ready for restoration". Made my day. Bil

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-25 Thread kd4e
>> Movements toward standardization are fraught with >> risk. Standardization forced VHS vs the superior >> BETA because those with superior market clout had >> their way. > > REPLY FOLLOWS > > This canard needs to be put to rest once and for all. > > The market makes c

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread expeditionradio
> Rick KV9U wrote: > What radio services are we going to interoperate with? > Even under emergency conditions, you need to > be very careful about transmitting outside the ham bands. Hi Rick, The assigned channel interoperation problem already has a solution that neither requires hams to tra

RE: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread John Champa
My station is also solar powered... >From: "martin beekhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency >Data >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread Bill Turner
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: At 08:48 AM 8/24/2006, kd4e wrote: >Movements toward standardization are fraught with >risk. Standardization forced VHS vs the superior >BETA because those with superior market clout had >their way. REPLY FOLLOWS This canard needs to be put to rest on

Re: [digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread kd4e
> We have indeed amassed collection of soundcard digital mode > implementations over the last few years, but I for one don't > appreciate these being labeled "oddball". Advancing the state of the > art is an important component of amateur radio; the lively debates > here and elsewhere over tech

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread Dave Bernstein
The message you cite provides no reference to an amateur implementation of "the 5066 standard in amateur radio". I Googled it, but the only hits were to commercial manufacturers of milspec equipment. We have indeed amassed collection of soundcard digital mode implementations over the last few

[digitalradio] Re: Open 5066 for HF-based Digital Email, Emergency Data

2006-08-24 Thread martin beekhuis
In case of a serious disaster as Bonnie mentioned a battery pack wil not last enough. I have stand by a HW-8 tranceiver a battery pack (solar powered). And I use the only digital mode that a human understand without using technology. So I'm qrv for months maybe for years. Hoping there will be an ot