Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

On 08/13/2010 07:08 PM, Andy obrien wrote: > WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign It may not be a ham callsign, but it is a valid callsign... "EXPERIMENTAL SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORIZATION" CLASS of Station XD FX EMISSION Designator SK25J2D Experition 3:00 AM EST Jan 31 2011. Call Sign WE9XLQ

Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

WE9XLQ us not a valid USA callsign Andy On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Andy obrien wrote: > What ? > > > > > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rein A wrote: > >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem >> Website regarding ROS use in USA: >> >

Re: [digitalradio] Ros Use in US ( Urgent )

What ? On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Rein A wrote: > > > Hello All, > > Mr. Ros has just corrected the statement on the official ROS Modem > Website regarding ROS use in USA: > > The FCC allows ROS to be used in the USA > 13 August, 2010 by José Alberto Nieto Ros > > †The FCC allows ROS

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

OK, Thanks for your answer :) LA5VNA Steinar On 03.08.2010 07:06, Tony wrote: > Steinar, > > I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the > HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect > from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

Steinar, I've been monitoring ROS on-the-air and I've done some testing with the HF path simulator. In my opinion, it's about as good as one would expect from an MFSK mode with a relatively slow baud rate. Tests show that it will outperform RTTY and PSK31 in poor channel conditions (most MFSK

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

OK, is it public ? I can't find anything on digitalradio yahoogroup LA5VNA Steinar On 02.08.2010 12:58, Tony wrote: > On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: >> >> Hi Tony >> >> Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty , >> olivia etc? >> > Yes I have Steinar >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations

On 8/1/2010 7:31 AM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: Hi Tony Have you done some test comparing ros with mods like psk31 , rtty , olivia etc? Yes I have Steinar Tony -K2MO a5vna Steinar On 20.07.2010 03:42, Tony wrote: > All, > > With all the attention ROS has been getting lately, I thought

Re: [digitalradio] ROS v 4.8.X not spamming cluster - NOT

Hi Steinar, Unfortunately, v4.8.x of ROS still spams the DX Cluster with auto-spots. Only way to effectively stop is block adif.exe at the firewall. ROS Auto-Spots too Cluster currently represent 98% of all ROS Cluster spots, with ROS representing 6.2% of all Cluster spots (7 day period). As f

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

Thanks for the testing Tony. We observe Doppler shifts of as much as 100 Hz and Doppler spreads around 50 Hz or greater. On SSB phone, a S3 signal will not be intelligible and you can hear the voice pitch go down in a fluttering manner. ROS definitely produces nothing but garbage when SSB phone

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

On 7/20/2010 3:54 PM, KH6TY wrote: >Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler >spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done. Skip, My path tests show that ROS is less tolerant to Doppler spread than Olivi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS HF Path Simulations wide vs. narrow

Tony, Our on-air tests show that ROS 16 baud, 2200 Hz wide spread spectrum was very poor on UHF under Doppler spreading. Can you confirm this with flutter tests like Jaak has done on http://contestia.blogspot.com/p/pathsim_09.html ? 73, Skip KH6TY On 7/19/2010 9:42 PM, Tony wrote: All, W

Re: [digitalradio] ROS vs RTTY

Well, "old" modes like rtty has its charm, but as the ultimate contest mode it makes more trouble for the ham community when it is flooding the hole band, than "fix frequency" modes like ROS. The only problem with ROS is its developer, with his strange behavior. la5vna Steinar On 18.07

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

It would appear that what is does best is the continued mutilation of horse corpses. de Curt KC8STE/AAR5VR 73 --- On Wed, 7/14/10, J. Moen wrote: From: J. Moen Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better ! To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 10:53 PM

Re: [digitalradio] ROS back bigger and better !

Your Subject says ROS is better. Where can I read about the changes and improvements? Can users control whether ROS should generate the artificial spots? Jim - K6JM - Original Message - From: Peter L. Jackson To: * Digitalradio Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:37 PM Sub

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

What mode are you talking about? I'm interested. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:59 PM, F.R. Ashley wrote: > > > Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages > of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, > and how great it was, or have you f

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Returns

Whats so dang fantastic about ROS anyway, that it deserves pages and pages of emails about it? Remember that other new digital mode a few months ago, and how great it was, or have you forgotten abouit it already? 73 Buddy WB4M RTTY forever - Original Message - From: "Steinar Aanesland

Re: [digitalradio] ROS modem Yahoo Group

Why? On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Rein A wrote: > > > CLOSING GROUP TOMORROW EVE. > IF YOU NEED TO COPY ANYTHING, GET ER DONE ! > > DAVID/WD4KPD > >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rosmodemusa/ Not very popular just 18 subscribers ( almost 4000 here ) 73 Rein W6SZ http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/ -Original Message- >From: James Hall >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 11:09 AM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sendi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

through with this little project you might understand or > perhaps not why I am doing this. > > 73 Rein W6SZ > > I had to use Google to learn that expression. > > > -----Original Message- > >From: James Hall > > >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM > >To:

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

With this action (or inaction) from Mr ROS and considering all of his past actions/comments it becomes clear (to me) that he has an agenda and Hams are being used as beta-testers to help fulfil his ultimate goal. He has shown several times an unwillingness to embrace "Ham Spirit" and "Ham Opera

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Developer will continue to auto-spot despite complaints

Just goes to show that he reads the boards and keeps track of what is going on. Now, how easy would it be to program a button to disable the function with one toggle in the software? Very easy! Then he could open it to everyone to decide whether they want the reporting or not. Since he won't a

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

gt;From: Dave AA6YQ >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 5:16 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >>>>AA6YQ comments below > >-Original Message- >From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoog

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

ector? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: "John Becker, WØJAB" >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:01 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >>John, >> >&

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

>>>AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 4:31 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your P

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: Jeff Moore >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:47 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >Given the author's animosity toward certain hams, the fact that he stated he >was doin

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

rom: mikea >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 4:11 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: > >> As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of >>

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

to discuss issues related to digital modes? A digital mode with a list of banned calls? 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: Dave AA6YQ >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 3:52 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 12:47:51PM -0700, Jeff Moore wrote: > As for the 3000 people that are being quiet on this list, how much of > that is that they don't want to be singled out by a psychotic non-ham > software author for inclusion in his list?? This is my first -- and, I hope, my last -- pos

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

>>>AA6YQ comments below -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of "John Becker, WOJAB" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:01 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

ctor I will keep your input just between you and me. Don't want to be involved. Please let me just play. I am tired, don't bother me 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: "John Becker, WØJAB" >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

The discussion of the persona-non-grata list was started here: http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php?t=239742&highlight=ros. It starts getting pretty interesting around page 4 or 5. In March, the list consisted of the following calls: * K5OKC,N1SZ,G4ILO,W4PC,W9IQ,KY5U,KQ6XA,G0GQK,N3RQ,N1SZ,KC4ARAN

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

[mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of rein...@ix.netcom.com Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:59 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC John, Why not give it a serious try? It's is worth getting to the bottom of this or perhaps not

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

At 01:44 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >John, > >Who is Andy, K3UK? Andy is the list owner. And yes anyone can discuss ROS at any point and time. And many are still looking for an answer of why some (at one point or another) was banned from using the program. Now you seem to be a spokesperson for J

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

n Becker, WØJAB" >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 2:18 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >I think many would like to have a answer once and for all >on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the >soft

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >I think many would like to have a answer once and for all >on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the >software. > >John, W0JAB >digitalradio co moderator > >At 12:54 PM

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

I think many would like to have a answer once and for all on this issue if some have been "banned" from using the software. John, W0JAB digitalradio co moderator At 12:54 PM 7/9/2010, you wrote: >Could this ROS discussion be taken offline or elsewhere? > >I expect others, like I, are sick of th

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

After loading a "updated" version as he said that everyone needed to do. After entering my call it would not work. Just like others have posted that they could no longer use it. I have not tried it again and will not try it. Touch a hot stove and get burned one will not touch it again. I will ne

RE: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

e.com/ > -Original Message- > From: rein...@ix.netcom.com [mailto:rein...@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 12:43 PM > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > > > OK John. > > Understood. >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

ssage- >From: "John Becker, WØJAB" >Sent: Jul 9, 2010 1:14 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >Sorry Rein - > >Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time >computer pro

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

Sorry Rein - Please forgive as that was about the time I was having big time computer problems. Lost a bunch of emails. what was that my "final question" again. John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

ahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > >At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: > >> extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous >> band of thieves" > >Rein are you trying to te

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

At 08:58 AM 7/9/2010, you wrote: > extremely wicked; "nefarious schemes"; "a villainous plot"; "a villainous > band of thieves" Rein are you trying to tell us that NONE of this never happened ? The list of banned, and other thing that have been posted that this program has been said to do. Thi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

tems work excites you? Once I am through with this little project you might understand or perhaps not why I am doing this. 73 Rein W6SZ I had to use Google to learn that expression. -Original Message- >From: James Hall >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:00 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.c

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

Looks like this is a DX Cluster server available on the Internet running a software package called DXSpider. http://wiki.dxcluster.org/index.php/Main_Page Doesn't seem to be nefarious at all to me. Telnet in, give your callsign and it'll start giving you info. I have no clue how to read this but th

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

I finally installed ROS and it triggered my firewall trying to connect to 109.72.112.37 port 7300. I did a Telnet, it is Cluster Node US6IQ-1 Today I again started ROS and this time the firewall triggered on ROS connecting to 82.182.70.198 port 8000, which is Cluster Node SM6YOU-2 I have never

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

rom: Steinar Aanesland >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > > >Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein. > >Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English. >Lest assume you are on mister

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

d >Sent: Jul 8, 2010 4:25 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC > > >Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein. > >Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English. >Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate l

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

At 02:28 PM 7/8/2010, you wrote: >Hi Rain > >You have absolutely right . ROS are sending data from your PC to the >cluster. Try to type the IP address 90.225.73.203:8000 into your >browser and you get this: Why would it telnet to an IP address in Sweden?

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

Yes , that is what is seems to me Rein. Let me try to explain the in my Norwegian English. Lest assume you are on mister ROS's hate list, but what to test the software i RX mod. You are using a fake call sign to get the software is working. When you are starting the software it connect it self t

Re: [digitalradio] ROS are sending data from your PC

Hello Steinar, Are you telling me that people are sending those calls to the cluster and then from there end up at the HAMSPOTS site, and never actually use those calls in transmissions? Just noticed a call sign from somebody, some 25 miles from here, logged on the Twente WEBSDR! 73 Rein W

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

And I would recommend that anyone wanting to use ROS should be required to read this thread on QRZ which highlights some of the "shadier" aspects of this program. http://forums.qrz.com/showthread.php...&highlight=ros And of course, you can search the archives of this mailing list for (literal

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

I'm bored, so I'll bite. It is my understanding that in the US, ROS is only allowed above 222Mhz. On 40M, you would be held to SWL status. You should find it around 7.053 to 7.056. phil n4zsa - Original Message - From: "John Becker, WØJAB" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on 40 meters

If I download a new version I will "NOT" be able to use the program. For a unknown reason I was one of the people that Jose has seen unfit to use it. That was the reason I had to "beg" for a earlier venison of it. But thanks for your reply. At 03:50 PM 7/5/2010, you wrote: >If you downloa

Re: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters

And cause QRM in the beacon subband... So much for the "Gentlemen's Agreement"! Wes W1LIC From: Andy obrien To: digitalradio Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 7:42:58 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ROS 10 meters FYI "Changes on 10 meters 29 May, 2010 At the suggestion o

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

On 06/02/2010 12:15 PM, Steinar Aanesland wrote: > let's forget about this "Mr. Ros without manners" and his new a Yahoo list. > > There is a lot of decent programmers out there, making excellent HAM > software. Mr. Ros is not worth the attention he and he's > frequency-hopping spread spectrum so

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

--- On Wed, 2/6/10, Dave Sparks wrote: > Found the section.  It is > 97.309(a)(4) of the code: > > http://www.arrl.org/technical-characteristics > > The reverse-engineering part is an inference on my part. No chance of reverse-engineering Pactor III from the information provided. 73 Trevor M5

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

bject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > Hello Dave, > > Don't sse ypou much anymore on HF WSJT ,changes in antenna? > > OK and thanks. > > I contacted the people in VA and they replied right away. telling me > that they had stopped the mode. as a result of

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > Hello Dave, AF6AS, > > "IIRC" what does it stand for? > > There has to be enough information to at least reverse-engineer a mode by > the FCC (and the NSA). > > Is that documented somewhere, not that I want to question the

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

ahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > >IIRC = "if I remember correctly". > >The documentation issue stemmed from someone who complained that PACTOR, and >maybe other digital modes, could be considered "codes or cyphers", and the >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

n HF by the FCC. It is admittedly Spread Spectrum. -- Dave - AF6AS -- From: Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 1:01 PM To: Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > Hello Dave, AF6AS, > > "IIRC" what does it stand f

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

be able to read/decode it under all circumstances " 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: Dave Sparks >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 2:14 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > >Oops, I missed that. > >What I *THOUG

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

ohn Becker, WØJAB" To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: - Original Message -

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

I think that is what I said below now in RED By my call I mean W0JAB At 12:44 PM 6/2/2010, you wrote: >- Original Message - >> But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and >> gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. >> >> What do you think? >> >>

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

- Original Message - > But since I have it on a flash drive I did install it on the laptop and > gave it a call other then my call and it worked fine. > > What do you think? > > I think even Ray Charles could see that. > > > Jose, if I'm wrong in any way - feel free to > jump in here and

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

No need to worry from being banned from this list from me. That's not my style of moderating. Yes I can no longer use ROS for some reason. I did ask but that went unanswered. All I know is that he posted a updated version and when ask for my call the program would shut down if I recall. Never di

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

Dear Steinar, Very true. 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: Steinar Aanesland >Sent: Jun 2, 2010 4:15 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > >Hi Rein > >let's forget about this "Mr. Ros wi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

your comments and nice words, John. > > I know it is so boring and OT. > > ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) > > 73 Rein W6SZ > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > >> From: "John Becker, WØJAB" &g

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

gitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > >Rein > >Really don't know what to say at this point. >Still trying to understand why my call was added to >the list of calls "not able" to use the ROS program. > >But since Jose wi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

Rein Really don't know what to say at this point. Still trying to understand why my call was added to the list of calls "not able" to use the ROS program. But since Jose will not say I'll just move on to things other then ROS. But I'm not the only one that this has happen to. No big deal I have

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

OT. ( And Dave (G0DJA ) is your spam bin sufficient empty ) 73 Rein W6SZ -Original Message- >From: "John Becker, WØJAB" >Sent: Jun 1, 2010 6:51 PM >To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP > >Rein > >D

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

I have never seen this before in the amateur radio community. We have really started something here and I do not believe it is good. Rick KH2DF Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2010, at 5:17 PM, "Rein A" wrote: Hello, Your request to join the ROSDigitalMode group was not approved. The moderator

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MODEM OFFICIAL GROUP

Rein Don't take it personal. For some reason even I got on his bad list. I did ask but never got an answer. Not sure but I think someone has been feeding bad info to him. Think he was told that I has said something that I really did not or it was misunderstood. John, W0JAB

Re: [digitalradio] ROS MF-7 IS OUT THERE ! (And less than 100 Hz wide)

good news, nice to see this mode make good progress. Andy K3UK On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, graham787 wrote: > > > After a series of successful test transmissions, the latest version of > ROS-3-6-1 (at the moment) now has the MF mode included , this allows live > key board qso's at a data r

Re: [digitalradio] Ros posts rebuttal of Olivia / Ros test results

Perhaps Tony, K2MO, can make some pathsim comparisons of ROS 8 baud with Olivia 32-1000. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/the-ros-numbers Julian, G4ILO

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]]

I'll leave the solution to those much more knowledgeable than I am, but my simplistic guess is perhaps ROS does not have the degree of redundancy that Olivia has, and when enough tones are distorted, the data is lost. I think the main point is that Olivia outperforms ROS in less than half the b

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]]

Yes but at UHF there seems to not be enough spread to tolerate the Doppler shift. If the frequencies were further apart, and were received through a wider window, the Doppler would be tolerated better but at what penalty in noise? I can think of a few ways to solve your problem but not with

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]

Based on observations of the tones on the waterfall on the air, compared to observing them locally, and hearing the raucous tones compared to bell-like quality locally, my guess is that perhaps the modulation is disturbed or the tones moved in frequency far enough so there is no decoding. If we

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF]

If there were documentation on ROS then there would the possibility of investigating the problem further and maybe adding improvements. Part of the problem is that even if there is a large degree of spreading compared to the data rate, the channel is still quite narrow and a large portion of i

Re: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF

> Simon HB9DRV wrote: There's a lot more to Olivia than being multi-tone MFSK. I am aware of that, Simon. However, Olivia is currently the most popular digital mode other than PSK31 and RTTY, and the question was if ROS 16 baud was worth using twice the bandwidth of Olivia. We hoped that

RE: [digitalradio] ROS on UHF

There's a lot more to Olivia than being multi-tone MFSK. A fairer comparison with a new mode such as ROS would be MFSK as the features of Olivia that make it so very robust could (should) be added at a later date. To put it simply Olivia hunts for the best signal it can decode and has error

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

Are you on a witch hunt, John? I did nothing but analyze ROS with FSK and present the findings to this group. On the basis of the ROS emissions, all other "facts" brought up here that you allude to are irrelevant. The signature of the ROS mode clearly fits the definition of Frequency Hopping S

Re: [digitalradio] ROS controversy

Good riddance! 73 - Skip KH6TY John wrote: Andy, since you have chosen to moderate very specific posts to slant the discussion in favor of your own agenda, and that of several prominent other frequent posters, this reflector has become effectively useless to me. It is unfortunate that i

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ROS update KH6TY wrote: > Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally > described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams > below 222MHz. :-( I think that

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

Like my friend Alan, I am distressed by the shading of the meaning of lie. I believe we safely explain the short word LIE now by looking at an example. Bob N4HY On 3/3/2010 1:06 PM, Dave AA6YQ wrote: > > > Earlier this morning, I called the FCC to confirm the "FCC: ROS LEGAL IN > USA" asser

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

KH6TY wrote: > Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally > described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US hams > below 222MHz. :-( I think that I now no longer care about whether ROS is, or is not, legal in the USA. I see that I am now subject to moder

Re: [digitalradio] ROS update

Jose, Is THIS really true: "[T]he information contained on the ROS Web site was /not/ provided by the FCC." la5vna S On 04.03.2010 23:10, KH6TY wrote: > Unfortunately, it appears that ROS is actually FHSS, as originally described on the ROS website, and therefore is not legal for US ha

Re: [digitalradio] ROS UHF "net" February 6 1230 UTC

I take it you mean MARCH 6th? -- Dave Sparks - AF6AS - Original Message - From: "obrienaj" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:16 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ROS UHF "net" February 6 1230 UTC >I will be on 432.090 mHz this Saturday Feb 6 at 1230 UTC . listening and >testing ROS 1 an

Re: [digitalradio] ROS UHF "net" February 6 1230 UTC

ooops, I meant MARCH 6th On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, obrienaj wrote: > > > I will be on 432.090 mHz this Saturday Feb 6 at 1230 UTC . listening and > testing ROS 1 and 16. If interested, check in to the K3Uk Sked page > > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked/ > > >

Re: [digitalradio] ROS operating frequencies on 20m

KH6TY wrote: > Julian, > > In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150. The current UK band plans can be found at http://www.rsgb.org/spectrumforum/bandplans/ There's an online version and an Excel version that you can download. Dave (G0DJA)

Re: [digitalradio] ROS operating frequencies on 20m

Julian, In the US, the RTTY/data segment of 20m stops at 14.150. 73 - Skip KH6TY g4ilo wrote: Can anything be done to get the recommended frequencies for ROS on 20m shifted out of the 14.101 - 14.109 range that already has established users of other modes? On my band plan, 14.101 and up

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

Thank you, now we know truth. Guess I better stay clear of it till the determination is officially posted...73, Alan Earlier this morning, I called the FCC to confirm the "FCC: ROS LEGAL IN USA" assertion made in > I asked for

Re: [digitalradio] ROS

I was about to call myself since I couldn't find anything on the FCC site about it, no ROS, no such case number no nothing. From: Dave AA6YQ To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com; rosdigitalmodemgr...@yahoogroups.com Cc: Skip Teller KH6TY ; Andy K3UK ; Dave Bernst

RE: [digitalradio] ROS Soundcard select .. missing tx option for usb card

Hi Dave, I have the same issue finally in Windows 7, I have to use 2.1.5 with soundcard set as default You’re not alone L Luc VE2FXL De : digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de graham787 Envoyé : 2 mars 2010 17:40 À : digit

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Path Simulations

Hi Tony, you will have to repeat the test next days when i improve lenght interleaver as I had expected :-) The first think i said about ROS is that minimize the power "at the same character/minute rate", and that is just what you are tester :-). You cannot match Washl Function FEC with Viterbi

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Path Simulations

Good tests, thanks Tony. On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Tony wrote: > > > All, > > I ran several path tests with ROS-16 and Olivia 2K this evening. The > simulator showed that Olivia is about as sensitive as ROS when configured to > run at the same baud rate, but it is not as sensitive when co

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

I propose we change this group name to the... ROS Roundabout. I keep seeing the same arguments from the same preple over and over. That reminds me of GroundHog Day the movie. :-) I am so over the whole discussion, not to mention the ops who insist on firing up ROS16 on 30m at 10141 right in th

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

From: IMR Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 Time: 09:00:33 >rgh > >I don't hink I can stand it any more and will just have to unsubscribe >from this group.I originally joined it as being the author of the >Data column in RSGB's RadCom, felt I ought to keep in touch with t

Re: [digitalradio] ROS discussion - will it ever end

At 10:00 01-03-10, G4JNT wrote: > >rgh I agree 100% :-) - it has become a sterile discussion, IMHO. 73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF

Re: [digitalradio] ROS Technical description for the FCC in the US

There is a technical descrption at http://rosmodem.wordpress.com/. I doesn't describe the start and stop tone sequences or completely describe the mapping from the convolutional encoder to the 128 tones used for data. However, it's more compete than some of the technical specifications on the AR

Re: [digitalradio] ROS carrier pattern when idle

No, I have not, because Olivia is usually found in different frequencies than those where packet activity is found on this side of planet Earth, and in general, packet sysops and Olivia users know their way around and do not step over others toes. Very seldom I have experienced Olivia to Oliv

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