Does Sean have a full-time focused PR guy?
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Guys - This marketing coverage issue is pretty simple is it not?
Vendors that pay (yes, P - A - Y) advertising money within mags,
specialist or not, will get more visible and favourable coverage. I
know Slimdevices are a technology driven company etc, but standard
business practices must also be
max.spicer Wrote:
> A simple thing might be to watch out for reviews of products similar to
> SB2 that don't mention the SB2 and email the mag/website asking why
> they don't cover the SB2
Too late, though. Gotta find a way to insert ourselves earlier in the
cycle. Like look in magazine's theme s
I've set up several PC music devices for friends, but not the Squeezebox
because it won't allow streaming audio from Napster.
It's such a shame, because Squezebox is better than any of its rivals.
PLEASE implement streaming from Napster.
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with upgraded ele
ultra238a Wrote:
> Hi,
> I have just spoken to one our more major retailers who sells both the
> SB2 and the Roku M1000 and so far this month they have had their best
> month ever on the Roku at a massive 20x units, previous months have see
> huge sales figures of 17x units and 12x units respecti
ultra238a Wrote:
> The problem with the Roku radio is that it looks like it has been made
> out of cheap plastic and doesn't have any quality about it - for $400
> no thanks.
>
> Paul
> Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd
Give it the same "scuba" coating as a Squeezebox and even cheap plastic
The problem with the Roku radio is that it looks like it has been made
out of cheap plastic and doesn't have any quality about it - for $400
no thanks.
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> >>> radish.1vlzy0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 09/19/05
9:59
> Well it doesn't look much worse than (say) a Bose Waveradio,
> and plenty of people have those by their beds. Anyway, I wasn't
> really coming at it from
PAUL WILLIAMSON Wrote:
> >>> radish.1vlzy0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 09/19/05 9:59
> AM >>>
> >
> > Now this is a nice product. Well, it would be if it had a
> > SlimDevices logo on the front...
> >
> > http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000243059438/
>
> That is EASILY the secon
Hi,
Ok lets put things in to perspective sales wise when comparing SB2 to
Roku.
We all know that the SB2 is functionally better and sounds much much
better than the Roku but the Roku is cheaper are arguably better
looking for retail.
I have just spoken to one our more major retailers who sells
I thought it looked really nice until I saw the HUGE speaker hiding
behind it!
I think the display is probably too small as well.
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>
> Now this is a nice product. Well, it would be if it had a
> SlimDevices logo on the front...
>
> http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000243059438/
That is EASILY the second ugliest product I've ever seen, only
topped by that other dorku product of t
This product is pretty neat too.
http://www.rokulabs.com/products/soundbridge/SoundbridgeRadio/index.php
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logo on the front...
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000243059438/
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I don't read magazines much but I check online sources a lot. I used to
check cnet and zdnet for reviews on the latest computer stuff. They've
been fairly up-to-date on all sorts of gadgets, peripherals and things.
But they have no review of the Squeezebox2. There's only the
Squeezebox reviewed
Milhouse Wrote:
> As an aside, I tend to read the more computer/gadget-oriented magazines
> each month, and I have no idea of the sort of coverage given to
> Squeezebox and the competition in more HiFi-oriented publications,
> anyone got any idea?
>
October "What Hi-Fi Sound and Vision", produ
As an aside, I tend to read the more computer/gadget-oriented magazines
each month, and I have no idea of the sort of coverage given to
Squeezebox and the competition in more HiFi-oriented publications,
anyone got any idea?
It's interesting that audio-streaming devices straddle both fields, and
g
patrick Wrote:
> I would not interpret advertising as a measure of performance but as a
> need to stimulate sales.
>
> Note that Roku's UK distributor also picked-up UK distribution of
> Sonos. Would you pick-up a competitive product if your original entry
> in this category sold well?
>
> Patr
On Sep 18, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Patrick Cosson wrote:
Note that Roku's UK distributor also picked-up UK distribution of
Sonos.
Would you pick-up a competitive product if your original entry in this
category sold well?
Yes, I would.
But yours is a bad example, the Roku and the Sonos aren't reall
I would not interpret advertising as a measure of performance but as a need
to stimulate sales.
Note that Roku's UK distributor also picked-up UK distribution of Sonos.
Would you pick-up a competitive product if your original entry in this
category sold well?
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I noticed that too, especially in the T3 who seem to adore the Sonus
(but then they always prefer the most expensive thing possible)
Would the Roku advert in every issue have any outcome on their
decisions? You'd hope not, but it does raise the question, if one
company advertises and another doe
I've just finished reading the October "Computer Shopper" and November
"T3", and as far as Slim Devices are concerned, you guys just don't
exist - very depressing reads from a SD point of view.
These mags had several articles about audio streaming and the Roku,
Sonos and Netgear take center stage
Of course, you could go the way of Bose or other high end manufacturers and build a hifi module that is all in one - with the hard drive and cd player built in.
If you use the Bose units with the hard drive built in (the word 'computer' or 'hard drive' is not even used, therefore you don't scare t
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>
> Arghhh, sorry about that everyone, I tried to remove all traces but
> obviously missed one, will fix it now!!
Well, two...check the mouse-over text as well...
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Milhouse Wrote:
> On Topic Post:
> so perhaps a review on theregister.com would help raise the profile
> globally without costing too much?
>
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/13/slimdevices_squeezebox/
a little old.. and SB1 - but thereg are not against reviewing Slim
stuff. Maybe if someon
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Arghhh, sorry about that everyone, I tried to remove all traces but
obviously missed one, will fix it now!!
I did previously sell the Roku, but after some hardware failures I gave
the Squeezebox a try and haven't looked back since. It gets a far
better reception from customers as well!!
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Richard Scales said the following on 30/08/2005 19:52:
Just checked your web site and clicked on the link for a larger version of
the Squeezebox - what do you see?
Ooops!
On a related note, I thought I'd check out Radio Paradise after hearing
it recommended on these forums.
I went to the ho
Just checked your web site and clicked on the link for a larger version
of the Squeezebox - what do you see?
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What would be required is for the CD to boot into an install Wizard
which looks in a pre-defined location on the existing HDD for a very
simple configuration file which points to the "real" configuration file.
This should be possible with the next release: DSL has a simple mechanism
to back
>> It would probably be a fair bit of work for slim devices though.
>Nah, Michael could do it :)
>> That would ultimately push the cost up and might put off as many
>> people as it persuaded :(
>There's really not an awful lot of work involved - Michael's slimCD
goes
>a lot of the way. I run m
Dan Goodinson wrote:
Slim Devices could distribute a complete, ready-configured OS on a CD
for each major release. Then any technophobes would simply have to
turn the PC on (and boot from CD) to have SS up and running within a
couple of minutes. For those users that found it easy to use, they
c
> I guess Knoppix might be an option - Slim Devices could
> distribute a complete, ready-configured OS on a CD for each major
> release.
They don't, but I do ;-)
http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=763&kategorie=slim
And as you guess it's based on Knoppix, or rather Damn Small Linux,
which
Johan wrote:
>My friends (all major tech geeks all of them) is reluctant since they
do not want to have a pc running all the time (noise, electricity bills
etc etc). To the majority
>of potential customers the threshold is exactly there - having to set
up a computer to be always on. This is not a
> Maybe I'm over-simplifying but I'd say that if someone can use an
> iPod, then they would have no problems using a Squeezebox.
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audiofi Wrote:
> Even with this, business is very slow and I think the problem is that
> people simply don't understand the technology and an advert in a
> paper/magazine still doesn't really explain it fully, I have to offer a
> free demo before hand. Once I get my foot in the door, the product
Dan Goodinson wrote:
audiofi wrote:
For someone who has a
computer and an iPod but has no idea how to do much else, it is a very
daunting task.
Audiofi,
Maybe I'm over-simplifying but I'd say that if someone can use an iPod,
then they would have no problems using a Squeezebox.
I d
audiofi wrote:
>For someone who has a
>computer and an iPod but has no idea how to do much else, it is a very
>daunting task.
Audiofi,
Maybe I'm over-simplifying but I'd say that if someone can use an iPod,
then they would have no problems using a Squeezebox.
I don't have an iPod, but I'd gue
audiofi wrote:
I run a business up in the North East where I both sell and install the
Squeezebox (and others, not the Roku though!) to people in the local
area.
As I install all of the software as part of the service (including any
plugins etc.) the user does not need any technical knowledge e
I run a business up in the North East where I both sell and install the
Squeezebox (and others, not the Roku though!) to people in the local
area.
As I install all of the software as part of the service (including any
plugins etc.) the user does not need any technical knowledge except
ripping the
I think slim devices could easily pump up their sales volume in Europe
by bundeling it with a link/tera/buffalo-station (or similar) where all
the necessary configuration is already done. Many people do like the
sb2, but are not enough computer savvy to get the building blocks
sorted out themselve
Aslak said the following on 29/08/2005 23:40:
Looking at AlienBBC I remember now what the problem was. I run
SlimServer on my fileserver box (Fedora), and it dosn't have X, which
is a requirement for mplayer. So I'm kind of screwed because I really
don't want to clog up the machine with an X in
The SB2 definately needs it's profile raised in the UK, but it's likely
the same could be said for the rest of Europe too. This is definately
I just had some mail exchange with a french guy who asked me where to buy
it in France - me being Swiss German :-). He told me that one of the
distrib
http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128.m3u
Amazing how many RP listeners there are on this list :-) It's clearly my
favourite station I've found so far. And they made me detect quite some
good, new (to me) music.
It's excellent listening for anyone over 24 years old (precious litt
nmizel Wrote:
> Arghh, these are urls (probably wma) that play in M$ Media Player...
They work fine if I switch HTTP to MMS - thanks!
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danco Wrote:
> On 29/8/05 at 04:58 -0700, Aslak wrote
> >Haven't tried Alien but read about it, and it scared me. And I've
> been
> >using Unix/linux since 1996
>
> It's really not that difficult if one is used to Unix, and even if
> one is not. The trouble is that one has to pick up bits
On Topic Post:
I've just finished reading this months T3 magazine and there were
approximately 4 references to the Roku, either as direct editorial,
reviews or advertisments.
Total references for the SB2: Zero.
Even the MP101 got a write up. And in a comment giving examples of
available streami
Off Topic Post:
I grew up and still live in London, and detest Crapital Radio with a
vengeance! :)
Do yourself a favour and get some radioparadise.com on your Squeezebox
- their 128bit MP3 Shoutcast feed can be found at:
http://www.radioparadise.com/musiclinks/rp_128.m3u
It's excellent listeni
Arghh, these are urls (probably wma) that play in M$ Media Player...
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radish Wrote:
> Which brings up a very off-topic question - does anyone have a stream
> url for Capital?
Capital Radio London / UK
http://ms1.capitalinteractive.co.uk/fm_low
http://ms1.capitalinteractive.co.uk/fm_high
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On 29/8/05 at 05:52 -0700, ceejay wrote
(1) I agree about the value of access to more "radio" stations. I have
managed to get AlienBBC working, though its not usable for live
listening. I do listen to some of the internet stations, but would
certainly appreciate reliable BBC or other stations.
On 29/8/05 at 04:58 -0700, Aslak wrote
Haven't tried Alien but read about it, and it scared me. And I've been
using Unix/linux since 1996
It's really not that difficult if one is used to Unix, and even if
one is not. The trouble is that one has to pick up bits from various
sources and th
On 29/8/05 at 04:45 -0700, Morbiato wrote
As a non-techie new owner I can't help thinking that this wonderful
device would be accepted in GB rather more if it was possible to get
the BBC digital transmissions on it! Ok so there's AlienBBC but I have
been quite unable to get it working and before
Just as a word of encouragement for those wanting more radio on their
SB2's - I installed Alien for the first time at the weekend and it took
about 10 minutes (if that). I had a bit of trouble with setup because I
have a non-standard slimserver config, but with the help of the forum I
was up and r
Two parts to this:
(1) I agree about the value of access to more "radio" stations. I have
managed to get AlienBBC working, though its not usable for live
listening. I do listen to some of the internet stations, but would
certainly appreciate reliable BBC or other stations.
(2) What can enthusi
Quite agree with the Digital Radio bit - the other half listens to
ClassicFM and wants to buy a DAB radio because my SB2 can't 'play' it.
I'm trying to hold her off purchasing one, but it's getting difficult
as the days go by. If anyone gets ClassicFM streaming (and I'm not on
about Wavefinders or
Morbiato Wrote:
> As a non-techie new owner I can't help thinking that this wonderful
> device would be accepted in GB rather more if it was possible to get
> the BBC digital transmissions on it! Ok so there's AlienBBC but I have
> been quite unable to get it working and before the last software
As a non-techie new owner I can't help thinking that this wonderful
device would be accepted in GB rather more if it was possible to get
the BBC digital transmissions on it! Ok so there's AlienBBC but I have
been quite unable to get it working and before the last software update
had got Radio 7 in
Steve,
I'm not sure if there have been many reviews of them both side by side,
I have the What HiFi here somewhere, but from what I can remember it
only had the Roku and Netgear in it, no Squeezebox.
Having owned both the Roku and Squeezebox though, the Squeezebox does
sound better, the Roku rea
Morning
I am new to this forum and have been having a lengthy read through of
several of the topics.
As someone working in marketing, I have quite a few comments about the
level of media interest in the squeezebox 2 vs the roku soundbridge - I
was about to purchase a Roku soundbridge before I st
I agree Nick and personally have no problem with the form factor. The
ideas discussed above were designed at widening the appeal of the
product to (a) those who do have a problem with the 'radio alarm' look,
(b) audiophile shops who are uncomfortable with new technology, slim
margins and a new (to
Fifer wrote:
It is a very tempting idea. A few more thoughts: Slim Devices get into
bed with a small, respected, audio company (Cambridge Audio spring to
mind; robust, reasonably priced, respected product line, similar to
Slim Devices). Put the SB2 internals into a Cambridge Audio box
(tweaked as
I reviewed the MKI and MKII for Hi-Fi World.
MKII review here: http://www.slimdevices.com/au_news.html
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It is a very tempting idea. A few more thoughts: Slim Devices get into
bed with a small, respected, audio company (Cambridge Audio spring to
mind; robust, reasonably priced, respected product line, similar to
Slim Devices). Put the SB2 internals into a Cambridge Audio box
(tweaked as above, decent
On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 15:19 -0700, JulianL wrote:
> Indeed. One wonders how the SB2 would be received if it was put into a
> fancy minimalist but bulky high end housing, increased in price by an
> order of magnitude, and some key designer from Krell/Naim/Linn/Meridian
> or similar taken onto Slim D
mkozlows, thanks for the link to your review. I really don't know much
about the Roku and it's nice to read about first hand experience.
Paul Runyan Wrote:
> I think it may not take so long. Sales of CDs are in decline, due to
> music downloading, particulary among the younger demographic that
On 17/8/05 at 12:52 -0700, Aylwin wrote
As for SS, apparently the Roku supports it as well.
But not the current version. of SS And since SS is designed for the
Squeezebox (and Slimp3) and they have no connection with Roku, it's
unlikely that future development of SS will work on Roku.
Sp
Aylwin Wrote:
> I think it'll be a LNG time before they need to adjust to the
> technology. At least when it comes to using a PC as a music server.
> It's a hard sell to convince traditional audiophiles for minimal
> profit. I don't think there's enough incentive for "audiophile"
> stores.
Aylwin Wrote:
> Other than sound quality, why is the SB better than the Roku? Don't get
> me wrong, I'm all for the SB. In fact, I've just bought my 2nd SB2.
> But where I live, I can't test anything. Even my first SB2 was bought
> on faith.
>
> Anyway, I just had a look at the Roku website.
Mark.Bennett Wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 23:00 +0100, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> > On 16/8/05 at 22:06 +0100, Mark Bennett wrote
> >
> > Possibly hi-fi dealers don't like the Squeezebox, and maybe they
> > haven't tried SB2. Or perhaps the features that make us really like
> > SB don't seem of in
Aylwin Wrote:
> As for SS, apparently the Roku supports it as well.
>
I think using the work "suppport" is a bit of a stretch :) Their
devices work with it (5.x only IIRC), to some extent.
>
> Speaking of which, if SS is open source, does Slim Devices get paid any
> royalties or licensing
Quoting Aylwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As for SS, apparently the Roku supports it as well.
character mode only (think original squeezebox before display upgrade), and
'well' might be oversimplifying. anything I've seen suggests some are happy,
some are very frustrated by it.
> Speaking of which
danco Wrote:
> Well, sound quality is pretty important. But the open source approach of
> SS makes for rapid development and improvement also.Sound quality IS pretty
> important. That's why I own an SB2. ;) But, if
you're not an audiophile who just wants music anywhere in the house I
don't thin
Mark.Bennett Wrote:
>
> One shop was very dismissive of the technology, saying that it
> could never sound as good as a real CD player.I've done a few mods to my SB
> and I'm 100% confident that I can prove
that's just not true! BTW, my 'real' CDP is a Naim CDX. The
difference between the mod
On 16/8/05 at 23:37 -0700, Aylwin wrote
Other than sound quality, why is the SB better than the Roku? Don't get
me wrong, I'm all for the SB. In fact, I've just bought my 2nd SB2.
But where I live, I can't test anything. Even my first SB2 was bought
on faith.
Well, sound quality is pretty im
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 23:00 +0100, Daniel Cohen wrote:
> On 16/8/05 at 22:06 +0100, Mark Bennett wrote
>
> Possibly hi-fi dealers don't like the Squeezebox, and maybe they
> haven't tried SB2. Or perhaps the features that make us really like
> SB don't seem of interest to them.
I think there is
On 16/8/05 at 16:47 -0700, CardinalFang wrote
danco Wrote:
On 16/8/05 at 22:06 +0100, Mark Bennett wrote
I had to drop in to my usual dealer, who I generally find reliable. I
commented on the fact that they had the Roku but not the Squeezebox,
and they said that the Roku was much better. I w
Other than sound quality, why is the SB better than the Roku? Don't get
me wrong, I'm all for the SB. In fact, I've just bought my 2nd SB2.
But where I live, I can't test anything. Even my first SB2 was bought
on faith.
Anyway, I just had a look at the Roku website. I must admit that the
Sou
I agree with the comment on the look. When I first installed the SB2 my
wife said "You are NOT putting that alarm clock in our living room!".
Then I showed her what it could do and she became a instant evangelist.
My wife is not techy and when I heard her describing the wonders of SB2
to her gir
danco Wrote:
> On 16/8/05 at 22:06 +0100, Mark Bennett wrote
> I had to drop in to my usual dealer, who I generally find reliable. I
> commented on the fact that they had the Roku but not the Squeezebox,
> and they said that the Roku was much better. I would doubt that even
> for SB1. Unfortun
On 16/8/05 at 22:06 +0100, Mark Bennett wrote
>
The main feature was for Sonos, which they appeared to love.
However they also have a "Reader Rescue" article in the magazine,
and this months reader was looking for, you guessed it, a network
audio client for a collection of music on a PC. And t
On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 04:39 -0700, max.spicer wrote:
> What HiFI apparently raved about some expensive device this month. I
> can't remember the name, but you had to buy a single server for some
> expensive amount of money (c. 500GBP) and then a device for each room
> (c. 300GBP). The device for
> And you'll find Squeezebox2 in the next issue of Stuff in a
> feature on devices with hidden games. From the data we've
> access to, SB2 outsells Roku in the market 5x-10x.
>
> Cheers
>
> Lee.
Obviously I don't know what this data is, but if true, that is possibly why
you see the Roku in 'r
I didn't know that What HiFi had reviewed the SB2. What did they say?
Does anyone have a copy?
Max
Lee Harris Wrote:
> As the UK distributor for Slim Devices, that Squeezebox2 as certainly
> been
> reviewed in the past 3-6 months:
>
> - T3
> - Stuff
> - What Hifi
> - Sunday Times (Doors)
>
ss to, SB2 outsells Roku
in the market 5x-10x.
Cheers
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I agree. But unfortunately, each media has its own
I agree. But unfortunately, each media has its own individual
(financial) agenda and those comments may not be effective. Roku's
founder is an experienced enterpreneur and apparently knows "how to
sell". "Roku" means "6" in Japanese and according to him
(non-Japanese), this venture is his sixth
A simple thing might be to watch out for reviews of products similar to
SB2 that don't mention the SB2 and email the mag/website asking why
they don't cover the SB2, along with links to slimdevices.
Max
Yannzola Wrote:
> Too bad there isn't such a thing as an open-source marketing ;)
>
> Ideas
Too bad there isn't such a thing as an open-source marketing ;)
Ideas: Can anyone think of creative ways of turning SlimDevice
enthusiasts into true media evangelists?
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Oh dear God, sorry about that everyone, I will change it as soon as I
get back tonight!!
I can assure you, I won't ever be selling the Roku again anyway, had a
poor experience with both the product and the company!!
Sorry
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>
> www.audiofi.co.uk
Arggh, the link "Click for a larger image" on the Squeezebox2 page
on your (?) site (http://www.audiofi.dudehost.com/squeezebox.htm)
points to a Roku SoundBrige picture...
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I have noticed the same, Roku are even advertising in T3 now which
explains the awards there!!
I used to sell the Roku myself, but then it failed, I bought a
Squeezebox and haven't looked back!!
Every demo I take all of the different players (except the Roku which
is now gone!), but the Squeezeb
I have noticed that Roku gets some (seemingly) free press here in the US
as well. Or, maybe they are paying for some of it... presumably, they
have deeper pockets than Slim Devices; their founder has been in the
industry for a while.
I'm an electrical engineer and get the EE Times publication.
JulianL wrote:
Yeah. I think it's tough for a small company like Slim Devices to get
the world wide marketing exposure. I was very pleased to see that they
at least have some decent distribution in the UK because often US
companies don't even get this right. Having SB2 listed at Dabs, and at
a p
What HiFI apparently raved about some expensive device this month. I
can't remember the name, but you had to buy a single server for some
expensive amount of money (c. 500GBP) and then a device for each room
(c. 300GBP). The device for each room was basically a pda that gave
you a colour screen
Yeah. I think it's tough for a small company like Slim Devices to get
the world wide marketing exposure. I was very pleased to see that they
at least have some decent distribution in the UK because often US
companies don't even get this right. Having SB2 listed at Dabs, and at
a price that is actu
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