Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 22, 2015 6:17:28 PM EST, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: DMARC leverages the Mail From identity, so I don't see how independent HELO checks can be relevant. If you look at sections 2.3 and 2.4 of RFC 7208, a reasonable interpretation is that you check the HELO identity, and if you

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread ned+dmarc
DMARC leverages the Mail From identity, so I don't see how independent HELO checks can be relevant. If you look at sections 2.3 and 2.4 of RFC 7208, a reasonable interpretation is that you check the HELO identity, and if you get a definitive policy result, you're done and return that to the

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Kurt Andersen
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com wrote: On January 22, 2015 6:35:59 PM EST, Kurt Andersen kb...@drkurt.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com wrote: If I were configuring and SPF verifier to provide an input to

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: ned+dm...@mrochek.com To: John Levine jo...@taugh.com Cc: dmarc@ietf.org, skl...@kitterman.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:41:46 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it DMARC leverages

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 17:41:46 Ned Freed wrote: DMARC leverages the Mail From identity, so I don't see how independent HELO checks can be relevant. If you look at sections 2.3 and 2.4 of RFC 7208, a reasonable interpretation is that you check the HELO identity, and if you get a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 22, 2015 1:27:40 PM EST, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote: I am asking the IESG and the ISE what the process is for making such adjustments now. Mainly my resistance to further change

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, January 23, 2015 03:03:28 John Levine wrote: RFC 7208 doesn't say the HELO result determines anything. It says IF (I say again IF) a decision has been reached about message disposition based on the HELO result, there is no requirement to go ahead and do a pointless Mail From check.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com To: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:16:58 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it On Friday, January 23, 2015 03:03:28 John Levine wrote:

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 22, 2015 5:47:42 PM EST, Franck Martin fra...@peachymango.org wrote: - Original Message - From: Michael Jack Assels mjass...@encs.concordia.ca To: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:20:35 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Kurt Andersen
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com wrote: If I were configuring and SPF verifier to provide an input to DMARC processing, then I would probably configure it not to reject based on SPF fail. Then the problem doesn't arise. This really is a non-issue. Are

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On January 22, 2015 7:13:46 PM EST, Terry Zink tz...@exchange.microsoft.com wrote: The way it works in Office 365 is this: 1. When checking SPF, use the domain in the 5321.MailFrom. If it is empty, use the domain in the HELO/EHLO. 2. Use the domain extracted from (1) when doing the DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm at it

2015-01-22 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday, January 22, 2015 23:52:58 Franck Martin wrote: - Original Message - From: Scott Kitterman skl...@kitterman.com To: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:41:39 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] questions on the spec, was ... and two more tiny nits, while I'm