Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-hardaker-dnsop-rfc8624-bis in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2024-03-22 Thread Bob Harold
gner (DS) Resource Record (RR) Type Digest Algorithms Column Values" It should be "table 3" in the text and under the table. And the header for each page has a placeholder "title" instead of the actual title. -- Bob Harold On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:25 PM IETF Secr

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-03-01 Thread Bob Harold
he best > way to address the resource consumption problem than can exacerbate. > Ruling them out of bounds doesn't mean they can't come back on the field > and cause problems. Treat the problem - resource consumption - that can be > done. > > And don't design a new protocol with a key tag

Re: [DNSOP] Detecting, regeneration and avoidance was Re: [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-20 Thread Bob Harold
nt was...don't include > this idea in a future design. > > " don't include this idea in a future design." But if I have a 'standby' DS record, to allow faster rollover if a key is compromised, then there will always be two DS records. And without a key tag or

Re: [DNSOP] Detecting, regeneration and avoidance was Re: [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-20 Thread Bob Harold
I thought key collisions were only in a single domain. Anytime you are looking for a key tag, you already know the zone. Collisions across zones don't matter, unless your implementation is only tracking keys by tag and not by zone. Or am I missing something? -- Bob Harold > > On Tue, Feb

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] About key tags

2024-02-15 Thread Bob Harold
I don't think we can completely avoid tag collisions in a multi-signer situation. They could detect and correct a collision, but due to the long TTL's in many TLD's, that could take 24 hours. So I think resolvers should allow for at least a few collisions and not fail on the first one. -- Bob

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-pan-dnsop-explicit-forged-answer-signal-00.txt

2024-01-10 Thread Bob Harold
ckground and Motivation Recursive server may replace a forged answer to a query with a configured answer of the authoritative server Seems reversed. It should be: 1. Background and Motivation Recursive server may replace a configured answer to a query from the authoritative

Re: [DNSOP] Zaheduzzaman Sarker's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-error-reporting-07: (with COMMENT)

2023-12-13 Thread Bob Harold
DP with > > COOKIES is a source ip validated transport. > > Imagining that we fixed the phrase to accommodate the case of UDP > transport with cookies, why? > > Joe > > I like "source IP validated transport" but perhaps we could say "transports that are prot

[DNSOP] RFC7477 typo?

2023-11-09 Thread Bob Harold
ent, which is 2^31 (not 2^16). Is that a typo, or is there a reason for the small range? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

2023-10-06 Thread Bob Harold
On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 8:54 AM Shumon Huque wrote: > On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 8:20 AM Bob Harold wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 6:16 PM Paul Hoffman >> wrote: >> >>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 18:46, Tim Wicinski wrote: >>> >>>

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

2023-10-06 Thread Bob Harold
C signed and can be validated, so a rogue server can only block service, not give wrong answers that pass validation. Could something like that be included? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones-06.txt

2022-07-08 Thread Bob Harold
> My $.02. > > Mike > > > I thought the catalog zone was required to be a valid zone. We certainly should not be requiring changes to the code that verifies a valid zone. Is an NS record part of the validation in some DNS code bases? If so, it should be mandatory. Do the RFC's re

Re: [DNSOP] Updating RFC 7344 for cross-NS consistency

2022-06-28 Thread Bob Harold
On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 10:23 AM Peter Thomassen wrote: > Hi Bob, > > On 6/28/22 16:20, Bob Harold wrote: > > But the parent NS set is not covered by DNSSEC, and thus could be > spoofed?? > > (Wish we could fix that!) > > The parental agent (registry, registrar) h

Re: [DNSOP] Updating RFC 7344 for cross-NS consistency

2022-06-28 Thread Bob Harold
that Updates: 7344. > > Sure, I'm volunteering to write up something. I'll wait until Thursday or > so, in case others share thoughts I should know before I start. > > Thanks, > Peter > > -- > https://desec.io/ > > But the parent NS set is not covered by DNSSEC, and thus could be spoofed?? (Wish we could fix that!) -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] CDS Bootstrapping for vanity DNS servers

2022-06-22 Thread Bob Harold
omain", but once you have your first signed domain, then use an NS in that domain to bootstrap the rest, so it really becomes a one-time event per organization. -- Bob Harold On Wed, Jun 22, 2022 at 8:40 AM Paul Wouters wrote: > Unfortunately, the reverse zone is very often out of reach for th

Re: [DNSOP] [DNSSEC-Bootstrapping] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-thomassen-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-02.txt

2022-04-27 Thread Bob Harold
en desec.io). If you would > > try to mean it as this protocol and old software reads it as > > traditional, that software would abort too if it is unsigned. So I don't > > think you can accidentally break things either? > > > >> It's not explicit what's meant, so there's an ambiguity. Worse, if > >> you add or remove the delegation at dedyn.io_boot.ns1.desec.io, the > >> meaning of CDS/CDNSKEY records at that name silently changes. > > > > But the meaning only changes from one invalid use to another invalid > > use? > > > >> So, yes, the DNS is good at naming things differently, but we have to > >> create a naming scheme that is free of collisions. > > > > I am not convinced. See above. I think it is clear based on where the > > (C)DS records are and who would even query for it at that particular > > location. > > > > I don't think it helps scaling either because large zones are pretty > > trivial these days and all these records are fairly short lived > > (days). I doubt we will see 60M of these on 1 nameserver. Can you (or > > John) explain what you think is the scale that would no longer work on > > a DNSSEC system? And how would that scaling compare to the CPU/disk > > required to generate new DNSKEYs for all those new DNSSEC domains, > > signing the domains and creating CDNSKEY/CDS records for them? > > > > And regardless, you can create delegatations for com._boot just as > > easilly as ._boot. > > > > I think it only helps prevent hitting the theoretical but non-real > > FQDN limit of 255, but as I said before, anything that prepends an > > _underscore prefix will always have a limit under 255. Not using hashes > > would reduce the max length to 128 minues the _boot prefix length versus > > 255 - 64 (length of base64(sha256)) - _boot prefix length. So more or > > less reduce support of FQDNs from ~200 to ~128. This already requires a > > minimum of 3 subdelegations, but since most TLDs dont exceed ~10 to > > ~20, would require 4+ delegations. At which point you should really be in > > part of the DNS tree where you control all parties to provision zones > > without needing the bootstrap, that is mainly aimed at Registrar - DNS > > Operator limitations. Eg you would be using catalog zones with your > > nameservers that would be able to do CDS -> DS because of existing XFR > > or NSUPDATE based trust relationships, or would even run on the same > > nameserver to completely automated DS updates when hosting both child > > and parent. > > > > Anyway, just to reflect, I _do_ like and this idea, but strongly prefer > no > > hashing and not using it to go two delegations deep over unsigned > parents. > > > > Paul > To avoid (C)DS at an apex under the _boot tree, one could use another _name like: _nsboot.dedyn.io._boot.ns1.desec.io. CDS ... So the CDS records in this new scheme are never at an apex, but one level down under a new "_nsboot" label. It adds another label, but avoids any ambiguity. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] More input for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp?

2022-04-26 Thread Bob Harold
repo (https://github.com/paulehoffman/draft-hoffman-dnssec). > If nothing big comes up, I'll ask for WG Last Call. > > --Paul Hoffman > > Looks good to me. Although as a user preparing to deploy DNSSEC, reading and understanding and applying all those RFC's is ov

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-00.txt

2022-04-22 Thread Bob Harold
F datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping/ > > There is also an HTML version available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bootstrapping-00.html > > Interesting idea. Minor e

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNSSEC Strict Mode

2021-02-26 Thread Bob Harold
If you sign your zone with several algorithms, and mark them all 'Strict", you are asking my resolver to do extra work. I will probably configure my resolver to only validate with one algorithm. Maybe the strongest, maybe the least cpu intensive, my choice, not yours. -- Bob Harold O

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-jabley-dnsop-refer-00.txt

2021-02-12 Thread Bob Harold
ore clearly distinguished and protected separately > using cryptographic signatures. > > It is not at all clear that this is a good idea. To restate in > stronger terms, the goal of the experiment described in this document > is to determine just how bad an idea this is. &

Re: [DNSOP] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-delegation-information-signer

2020-11-04 Thread Bob Harold
If an attacker is spoofing responses, it seems that they could send a different NS and A record, and a new calculated DS hash. So this provides no protection against spoofing? We would need instead (or in addition) an RRSIG record to actually protect this. An example would help. -- Bob Harold

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dnsop-error-page-00.txt

2020-07-08 Thread Bob Harold
ess to a domain is designated for use with the "Forged answer" extended error code. This is a string encoded as UTF-8 characters. This is a string encoded as UTF-8 characters. -- The last sentence is duplicated (This is a string encoded as UTF-8 characters.) -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-arends-private-use-tld

2020-06-12 Thread Bob Harold
ng your view. > > Please also indicate if you are willing to contribute text, review, etc. > > This call for adoption ends: 26 June 2020 > > Thanks, > tim wicinski > DNSOP co-chair > > Support, will review. Just read it - quite an exhaustive study of the subject. -- Bo

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-huque-dnsop-ns-revalidation

2020-06-02 Thread Bob Harold
y stating your view. > > Please also indicate if you are willing to contribute text, review, etc. > > This call for adoption ends: 8 June 2020 > > Thanks, > tim wicinski > DNSOP co-chair > > Yes, and I will review. -- Bob Harold

[DNSOP] DNSSEC actual failures log where?

2020-05-14 Thread Bob Harold
sues, even if the response validates correctly. Is there something that I can match on to get just the responses that fail? (user gets SERVFAIL instead of an answer) ? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] DNSSEC validates even if expired?

2020-05-14 Thread Bob Harold
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:25 AM Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > Hi Bob > > On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:02:45AM -0400, Bob Harold wrote: > > I am preparing to enable DNSSEC validation, so I am working on alerts for > > failed validations, so I can see whether they are user errors

[DNSOP] DNSSEC validates even if expired?

2020-05-14 Thread Bob Harold
; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) ;; WHEN: Thu May 14 09:51:53 EDT 2020 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 56 -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-toorop-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones

2020-05-11 Thread Bob Harold
catalog zones MAY allow the catalog to contain other catalog zones as member zones." It seems ok to me to allow catalog zones to include other catalog zones as future feature, although I cannot figure out yet how that would work, but it might conflict with: "6.1. Implementation No

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements

2020-05-07 Thread Bob Harold
pending on the > validity > interval. > I agree. The amount a clock is likely to be out of sync is not related to the signature lifetime in any way. A fixed value based on likely clock skew or operational experience would be better. (Just my opinion, not meaning to sound like an author

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2020-05-06 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:16 PM Daniel Migault wrote: > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 2:53 PM Bob Harold wrote: > >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:02 PM Daniel Migault >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> I apology the previous email h

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-delegation-only-00.txt

2020-05-06 Thread Bob Harold
roles "Validating Resolver: A validating that" -> "Validating Resolver: A validating resolver that" -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2020-05-05 Thread Bob Harold
I would prefer the second method. I think that is what some software already does. (BIND?) -- Bob Harold > > Please inline other comments. > > Yours, > Daniel > > [1] > https://github.com/mglt/draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements/blob/master/draft-mglt-dnsop-dns

Re: [DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2020-05-04 Thread Bob Harold
Looks useful, I will review. -- Bob Harold On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 3:13 PM IETF Secretariat < ietf-secretariat-re...@ietf.org> wrote: > > The DNSOP WG has placed draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements in > state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Tim Wicinski) &

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-pwouters-powerbind

2020-05-01 Thread Bob Harold
an glue A record for example.com instead of the A record in the real zone? (Just trying to think of cases where orphan glue might make a difference.) -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: [EXT] New Version Notification for draft-toorop-dnsop-dns-catalog-zones-01.txt

2020-04-16 Thread Bob Harold
between an existing member zone's name and an incoming member zone's name (via transfer or update), the new instance of the zone MUST be ignored and an error SHOULD be logged. -- I do not understand. Can you give an example? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-fujiwara-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation

2020-04-14 Thread Bob Harold
I support and will review. -- Bob Harold On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:48 AM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > This starts a Call for Adoption for > draft-fujiwara-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation > > The draft is available here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fujiwara-dnsop-a

Re: [DNSOP] New draft on delegation revalidation

2020-04-14 Thread Bob Harold
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:59 PM Shumon Huque wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:51 PM Bob Harold wrote: > >> Having read through the draft, and twice through the emails, I think the >> draft has the right balance in using the parent and child NS RRsets >> properly.

Re: [DNSOP] New draft on delegation revalidation

2020-04-10 Thread Bob Harold
quot;additional data" in every response. -- Bob Harold On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:53 AM Tim Wicinski wrote: > (as a chair) > > I enjoyed reading the thread on dns-operations, and as a chair, > both Benno and we like where this is going. > > (consider this a gentle nudge w

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-7706bis-08.txt

2020-03-02 Thread Bob Harold
mote root server." "would all validate" -> "would validate all" 2. Requirements (second bullet point) "The system MUST have an up-to-date copy of the Key Signing Key (KSK) [RFC4033] used to sign the DNS root." -- Should we clarify as "the public porti

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-24 Thread Bob Harold
Just my opinion, but I would like to focus on HTTPSSVC first, for a quick win. Then work on ANAME - it might not be used much anytime soon, but if it reaches 99% of the DNS servers in 10 or 20 years, it could solve the problem at the apex for future generations. -- Bob Harold On Sat, Feb 22

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-00.txt

2020-01-16 Thread Bob Harold
to use and might be a bit > confusing to non-native speakers like me. I'm also confused about > "exactly analogical". What would inexactly analogical be? :) > > > Being another non-native speaker, I am open to suggestions > > > "analogous" is a more common form of the word, and could be used. Or a synonym like "parallel" or "similarly". -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Working Group Last Call for: Message Digest for DNS Zones

2020-01-08 Thread Bob Harold
o operate their infrastructure with appropriate > levels of caution. > Blindly turning on processing of ZONEMD on zones from random senders might > not be wise. > > Brian > Good point. Perhaps the RFC should recommend that there be per-zone options for enabling ZONEMD processing, and perhaps rate limits? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC1035 (5915)

2019-12-20 Thread Bob Harold
: Legacy > Stream : IETF > Verifying Party : IESG > > I agree that "complete" is much better than "unique". But if we are updating it, could we consider a better word than "forward" ? Actually "backward" would be correct, although I prefer "from the back to the front" as used elsewhere. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] FW: New Version Notification for draft-mglt-dnsop-dnssec-validator-requirements-08.txt

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
at is the meaning of "sensible" here, and is there a better word? 7.1. Trust Anchor Configuration "Similarly some some domains may present different views" "some some" -> "some" 11. Invalid Reporting Recommendations "A DNSSEC validator receiving a D

Re: [DNSOP] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-14

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
nt's state at > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue/ > > I read through it, and it looks good to me. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Consensus suggestion for EDE and the TC bit

2019-11-21 Thread Bob Harold
Keep TC bit in EDE and move it forward. I would prefer not to create a DP flag bit yet, until actual measurements tell us that it makes a measurable difference - let's wait until EDE is deployed and someone can measure the occurrence of truncating just EDE. Then we can discuss if the percentage is worth the complexity. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-multi-provider-dnssec

2019-11-20 Thread Bob Harold
Paul. Looks good, kinda scary. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] On painting the draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc bikeshed

2019-11-19 Thread Bob Harold
n the RRTYPE name. We need a stable name that we all can live >> with. >> >> I'll start. Please chime in! >> >> Since it seems that many people like SVCB, and many don't like HTTPSSVC >> (too many repeated SS's!), I sug

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dnsop-7706bis

2019-11-01 Thread Bob Harold
2. Requirements "Another method to have the resolver" -> "Another method is to have the resolver" (add the word "is" to make it read better) -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] draft-fujiwara-dnsop-avoid-fragmentation-01

2019-10-09 Thread Bob Harold
rewrite: 5. Incremental deployment The proposed method supports incremental deployment. When a full-service resolver implements the proposed method, the full-service resolver avoids IP fragmentation in DNS. When an authoritative server implements the proposed method, the

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoptions: draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang

2019-10-08 Thread Bob Harold
representation of an existing > registry and should be handled as a separate task. > > Finally, one reason why we would like to see this draft adopted is because > we’d like to use it within a real world DNS server implementation.. > > B

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Processing error codes in draft-ietf-dnsop-extended-error-10

2019-10-01 Thread Bob Harold
prove some cases where the client is not acting in an optimal way, but I can understand why that would be discouraged. Should we warn implementers of the issues, but still not forbid acting on them? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] SVCB and HTTPSSVC records: draft-nygren-dnsop-svcb-httpssvc-00

2019-09-24 Thread Bob Harold
n open topic >for discussion. "SVCB" and "HTTPSSVC" are meant as placeholders as >they are easy to replace. Other names might include "B", "SRV2", > "SVCHTTPS", "HTTPS", and "ALTSVC". > Looks good

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-information-00.txt

2019-08-19 Thread Bob Harold
00 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-information-00 Minor confusion? Section 2 Retrieving Resolver Information by DNS "they only need code to handle the RESINFO RRtype that is not in" "not" seems wrong here. They o

Re: [DNSOP] Please review and provide feedback -- draft-stw-6761ext

2019-08-09 Thread Bob Harold
the 6761 process, but that doesn't seem to be the case, or, if it is, > I cannot find a reference; if there is anything saying so, can someone > please send a link? > > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad > idea in the first place.

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-zone-digest-00.txt

2019-08-08 Thread Bob Harold
ple digests is good for algorithm rollovers. It would be nice if the receiving end could warn (without failing) if it did not recognize the new algorithm. If the new algorithm was known but did not verify, I don't know whether to pass or fail, but at least warn. I don't see a good way to specify that, so i

Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data

2019-08-02 Thread Bob Harold
nse is not warranted. > > > Joe > I am also concerned about data leaking, and special handling by the server. I just had what might be a crazy idea. What if the covert data was encrypted, and could be transferred normally, but only someone with the key could read it? It could then be p

Re: [DNSOP] proposal: Covert in-band zone data

2019-07-30 Thread Bob Harold
kward compatibility, this is a more easily > solvable problem. > If you are looking at putting it outside the zone, it occurs to me that any of the IPAM solutions have a database where you can attach information to records, zones, IP addresses, etc. Even Active Directory can probably do that. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] FYI: draft-andrews-dnsop-defeat-frag-attack

2019-07-11 Thread Bob Harold
Thanks for explaining that. I leave it up to you if a comment to that affect in the draft would avoid the same question in the future. -- Bob Harold On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 5:12 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > is the base64 encoding of 3 zero octet. If named was using a hex > en

Re: [DNSOP] FYI: draft-andrews-dnsop-defeat-frag-attack

2019-07-10 Thread Bob Harold
named.conf. Some end-of-life versions do not support HMAC-SHA256. key "." { algorithm hmac-sha256; secret "AAA="; }; -- Does a key of 256 zeros translate to a string of "A" characters? I am not an expert on HMAC-SHA256. -- Bob Har

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale: returning stale answers when faced with SERVFAIL responses

2019-07-10 Thread Bob Harold
> > ___ > > DNSOP mailing list > > DNSOP@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop It depends on how it was "taken down". I thought a proper take-down was to change or remove the NS records from the parent zone. Then we would get an authoritative NXDOMAIN and not a lame response. In that case, a lame response should still serve stale. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] ANAME in answer or additional section [issue #62]

2019-06-14 Thread Bob Harold
On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:34 PM Brian Dickson wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:51 PM Bob Harold wrote: > >> >> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 1:50 PM Brian Dickson < >> brian.peter.dick...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >

Re: [DNSOP] ANAME in answer or additional section [issue #62]

2019-06-13 Thread Bob Harold
amental problem with ANAME > if sibling records are required. > > Brian > I see two main cases: - ANAME replaces a CNAME record, so that other records can be attached to the same name. I don't think this is likely to be a big use cas

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-moura-dnsop-authoritative-recommendations-04.txt

2019-06-11 Thread Bob Harold
t;https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moura-dnsop-authoritative-recommendations-04#ref-Moura19a>] shows that the change in TTL for .uy TLD from 1 day to 5 minutes reduced the RTT from 15k Atlas vantage points significantly: the median was

Re: [DNSOP] ANAME in answer or additional section [issue #62]

2019-06-11 Thread Bob Harold
was a capability signal in the request that indicated that the requester would understand ANAME, or at least not have a problem if it were in the answer section. I am guessing that the capability signal would be some EDNS option, or perhaps an EDNS version. Is that reasonable? -- Bob Harold _

Re: [DNSOP] Deprecating the status opcode

2019-05-15 Thread Bob Harold
> > RFC 1034 says it's "To be defined" so this seems a little premature. > > Other than that, go for it. > > Does this increase or decrease the 'camel' page count? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-aname-03.txt

2019-04-15 Thread Bob Harold
inor nit. 5.1. Zone transfers "Secondary servers that rely on zone transfers to obtain sibling address records, just like the rest of the zone, and serve them in the usual way (with Section 3 Additional section processing if they support it)." That's not a complete senten

Re: [DNSOP] What should ANAME-aware servers do when target records are verifiably missing?

2019-04-11 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 4:42 PM Richard Gibson wrote: > Responses below. > On 4/9/19 16:04, Bob Harold wrote: > > If it gets an authoritative answer saying that there are no address > records, then it should respect that answer. If that is incorrect, then > whatever gave tha

Re: [DNSOP] What should ANAME-aware servers do when target records are verifiably missing?

2019-04-09 Thread Bob Harold
r gave that answer is broken or misconfigured and should be fixed. Perhaps I am missing something. In what cases can you imagine getting a response with no errors and no records? Perhaps a load balancer that has probed all the servers and determined that none are working? If you want a fall-

Re: [DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-algorithm-update-07: (with COMMENT)

2019-04-05 Thread Bob Harold
d Evan Hunt for their imminent feedback. > > IIRC a directorate reviewer noted that "imminent" means "expected to > arrive in the near future but not yet present"; such text does not seem > appropriate for final publication since review after that point would > not be helpful. > I think the word they wanted is "eminent". -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] [Doh] New: draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients

2019-04-04 Thread Bob Harold
e. You could use a VPN or buy a network service (even a dedicated line) for a higher price that does not sell your data. Their network, their rules, but you choose the network. -- Bob Harold > On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 15:26 Paul Vixie wrote: > >> i had to think about this for qu

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-toorop-dns-cookies-algorithms-00.txt

2019-03-14 Thread Bob Harold
ly if it has been compromised." 3. Constructing a Server Cookie "The Server Cookie is not required to be changed periodically if a secure pseudorandom function is used." I am not a cryptography expert, but the above sounds like the Client secret and Server Cookie could be left forev

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-03.txt

2019-02-25 Thread Bob Harold
tively lengthened, by refusing to look them up again? I think 'serve-stale' should focus on the situation where the auth server is not available, and not change the handling of short ttl's. Or am I mis-reading that? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] the root is not special, everybody please stop obsessing over it

2019-02-15 Thread Bob Harold
ub zone for this domain.) > I think in most solutions, if the name servers for " malware-c-and-c-as-a-service.com" and "com" are both unreachable, the domain should continue to resolve. But if "com" is reachable, and says " malware-c-and-c-as-a-service.com&qu

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-arnt-yao-dnsop-root-data-caching-00.txt

2019-02-15 Thread Bob Harold
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 7:49 AM Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > On Thursday 14 February 2019 22:41:56 CET, Bob Harold wrote: > > The draft assumes typical TTL is a week, but what I see in the root zone > is: > ... > > I hoped noone would notice. It's good rather than bad, overall,

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-arnt-yao-dnsop-root-data-caching-00.txt

2019-02-14 Thread Bob Harold
2 4159 172800 A 3648 172800 3 172800 DNSKEY 7269 172800 NS 2 172800 RRSIG 13 518400 A 13 518400 13 518400 NS 1 518400 RRSIG 2903 86400 DS 1536 86400 NSEC 2926 86400 RRSIG 2 86400 SOA 1 <<>> 9.11.

Re: [DNSOP] RFC 1035 vs. mandatory NS at apex?

2019-02-07 Thread Bob Harold
her things that answer DNS queries, like load balancers, should also return proper SOA and NS records, not just A and AAAA records, for the same reasons. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Review of draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-02.txt

2018-11-05 Thread Bob Harold
nses) Would that work? Should that be in the draft? -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: IETF 103: Call for agenda items: draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-00

2018-11-05 Thread Bob Harold
On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 9:01 AM Ladislav Lhotka wrote: > On Mon, 2018-11-05 at 14:44 +0100, Normen Kowalewski wrote: > > Hi Bob, > > > > > > > On 12. Oct 2018, at 15:48, Bob Harold wrote: > > > > sorry for the very late reply; please allow

Re: [DNSOP] Fundamental ANAME problems

2018-11-02 Thread Bob Harold
might never happen. Another option to give users is a non-updating fallback A record, that could point to a web redirect. That saves all the hassle of updates. (I encourage users to redirect the apex to www... and the I CNAME www to the CDN. Some users don't want the www, but it solves the DNS problem.) My preference would be a *NAME record that specifies which record types it applies to. So one could delegate A and at apex to a web provider, MX to a mail provider, etc. That would also be valuable at non-apex names. But I am happy to support ANAME as part of the solution. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Interest in moving forward with draft-york-dnsop-deploying-dnssec-crypto-algs ?

2018-11-02 Thread Bob Harold
danyork > > http://www.internetsociety.org/ > > Looks good to me. I have no strong opinion on where it should be published. If published somewhere other than as an RFC, you might add some current statistics on old versions of software in use and how many things never get updates to

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] review: draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-04.txt

2018-11-01 Thread Bob Harold
eport back over time a summary of what it got, when it next pulls from its upstream, eventually reaching the source. I don't have a good answer for that. Perhaps the kinds of hacks we did for the root zone key reporting are needed. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-04.txt

2018-10-24 Thread Bob Harold
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 5:49 AM Wessels, Duane wrote: > > > On Oct 22, 2018, at 6:53 PM, Bob Harold wrote: > > > > Just my opinions: > > > > Keep the Reserved field > > > > Include occluded data - it is part of the zone, even if never served. &

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-17.txt

2018-10-23 Thread Bob Harold
gt; A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-17 Page 6 "Early Data" The last phrase: "a TCP SYN message that does not use TLS encapsulation but contains is not permitted." Seems to be missing

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-kskroll-sentinel-17.txt

2018-10-22 Thread Bob Harold
they domain names but not valid hostnames (see [RFC7719] for these definitions). s/ they domain names / they are domain names / -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-04.txt

2018-10-22 Thread Bob Harold
e, even if never served. (Similar to glue data when a server has both a parent and child zone.) If you might have multiple zonemd records not at the apex later, why not allow them now? Otherwise, your choice whether to restrict them. (Someone will find a use for them, like verifying glue records

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-02.txt

2018-10-17 Thread Bob Harold
ince serve-stale as proposed relies on recursion > failing, if there was no attempted recursion that could have failed > there will be no revisiting the cache to find stale answers. > Yes, that is worth mentioning, since some users won't imme

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 103: Call for agenda items: draft-lhotka-dnsop-iana-class-type-yang-00

2018-10-12 Thread Bob Harold
DNS NSAP Resource Records"; } It seems odd to me to create the reference field as a string that contains what looks like YAML, except that it has extra blank lines. Does YANG not have a standard way to represent a list, and should the reference field always be a list, for consistenc

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-* drafts latest revisions

2018-10-12 Thread Bob Harold
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:27 AM Dave Crocker wrote: > On 10/12/2018 9:23 AM, Bob Harold wrote: > > Sorry to ask this here, but looking at those links, I cannot find a > > "diff" link anywhere. (I found it in the other emails, but would like > > to know how to

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-* drafts latest revisions

2018-10-12 Thread Bob Harold
but looking at those links, I cannot find a "diff" link anywhere. (I found it in the other emails, but would like to know how to get there from the pages above.) -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-05.txt

2018-10-12 Thread Bob Harold
versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-05 Minor nit: The &quo

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13.txt

2018-08-21 Thread Bob Harold
There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-13 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=d

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04.txt

2018-08-21 Thread Bob Harold
versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-04 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-attr

Re: [DNSOP] Draft for dynamic discovery of secure resolvers

2018-08-21 Thread Bob Harold
ion. In a DoH world, I cannot imagine every third-party DoH provider giving our security group that information. They will follow their own security measures, but will still affect ours because we lose visibility. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-20 Thread Bob Harold
if I transfer a copy of the root (or other zone), I can verify the signed parts with DNSSEC, and the glue by resolving them and verifying from the child zone. Does that leave any unverified records (are glue the only unsigned records)? Note that the child might have different records than the parent

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Bob Harold
ime looks like a good place to use bittorrent. (Is that reasonable?) So the 'sources' will be untrusted, and we do need some way to verify the resulting file that we get. I like the XHASH idea, it seems to reduce the work required on each update. But I would be ok with ZONEMD also. -- Bob Harold &g

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-12.txt

2018-07-25 Thread Bob Harold
et > Dot "." has special meaning in DNS, so I would prefer: _ta-* Not regex, but a common wildcard usage. -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-fix-02.txt

2018-07-25 Thread Bob Harold
.1. SRV Specification Changes "The specification for a domain name under, which an SRV [RFC2782] resource record appears, provides a template for use of underscored node names." "under which" is a phrase that should not be broken with a comma. Perhaps: "The specificatio

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-12.txt

2018-07-23 Thread Bob Harold
There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-12 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-12 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf-12 >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-wireformat-http-03.txt

2018-07-06 Thread Bob Harold
As I understand it, there are cases where TCP is handled differently than UDP. TCP has a session and is less susceptible to source address spoofing, so things like "ANY" responses, or longer answers, might be handled differently. -- Bob Harold On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:10 PM wrote: &

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-kskroll-sentinel-15.txt

2018-07-05 Thread Bob Harold
with "was disabled or not implemented" or "was not implemented or was disabled" 4. Sentinel Tests from Hosts with More than One Configured Resolve "Resolve" -> "Resolver" -- Bob Harold ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

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