Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Radford Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article yyPs7.55095$[EMAIL PROTECTED], John Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is the second time I have seen this word used: frequentist? What does it mean? It's the philosophy of statistics that holds that probability

Re: p value

2001-09-28 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dennis Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: let's say that you do a simple (well executed) 2 group study ... treatment/control ... and, are interested in the mean difference ... and find that a simple t test shows a p value (with mean in favor of treatment) of .009

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Jerry Dallal
Dennis Roberts wrote: At 01:23 AM 9/28/01 +, Radford Neal wrote: radford makes a nice quick summary of the basic differences between bayesian and frequentist positions, which is helpful. these distinctions are important IF one is seriously studying statistical ideas personally, i

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Herman Rubin
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gordon D. Pusch Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is a confidence interval? John

Re: p value

2001-09-28 Thread Marc Schwartz
My opinion, FWIW: The answer to your question in a strict fashion, assuming the experiment is well designed, depends to a large extent on your a priori null hypothesis and how you performed the statistical test. In this case, presuming that you used a two-sided p value and that you established

Re: Confidence intervals

2001-09-28 Thread Herman Rubin
In article 001501c1482f$756d6190$e10e6a81@PEDUCT225, Paul R. Swank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If your purpose is to try and teach students about confidence intervals, then it makes little sense to start out by telling them the counterexamples. Without counterexamples, it becomes quasi-religious

Re: Confidence intervals

2001-09-28 Thread Bill Jefferys
In article 001501c1482f$756d6190$e10e6a81@PEDUCT225, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #If your purpose is to try and teach students about confidence intervals, #then it makes little sense to start out by telling them the #counterexamples. Why not? My purpose would be to teach students that confidence

Re: Confidence intervals

2001-09-28 Thread Ronald Bloom
Herman Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Teaching people to use something without any understanding can only be ritual; this is what most uses of statistics are these days. If one does not use numbers, it is opinion. I hope that the pediatricians you have in your classes do not misuse data

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Ronald Bloom
Jerry Dallal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Jackson wrote: this is the second time I have seen this word used: frequentist? Since Radford Neal has already given an excellent explanation, let me add... A roulette wheel comes up with a red number 10 times in a row. When deciding how to

Re: Confidence intervals

2001-09-28 Thread John Jackson
I am interested in how to describe the data that does not reside in the area described by the confidence interval. For example, you have a two tailed situation, with a left tail of .1, a middle of .8 and a right tail of .1, the confidence interval for the middle is 90%. Is it correct to say

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread John Jackson
your formula is right on the money, but suppose your problem supplies no SD - see my recent message in this thread. Dennis Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... this is the typical margin of error formula for building a confidence interval were

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread John Jackson
Really sorry. My formula is a rearrangement of the confidence interval formula shown below for ascertaining the maximum error. E = Z(a/2) x SD/SQRT N The issue is you want to solve for N, but you have no standard deviation value. The formula then translates into n = (Z(a/2)*SD)/E)^2Note:

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
At 01:23 AM 9/28/01 +, Radford Neal wrote: radford makes a nice quick summary of the basic differences between bayesian and frequentist positions, which is helpful. these distinctions are important IF one is seriously studying statistical ideas personally, i think that trying to make

Re: What is a confidence interval?

2001-09-28 Thread Jerry Dallal
John Jackson wrote: this is the second time I have seen this word used: frequentist? Since Radford Neal has already given an excellent explanation, let me add... A roulette wheel comes up with a red number 10 times in a row. When deciding how to place his/her next bet... The person on the

Re: E as a % of a standard deviation

2001-09-28 Thread Dennis Roberts
this is the typical margin of error formula for building a confidence interval were the sample mean is desired to be within a certain distance of the population mean n = sample size z = z score from nd that will produce desired confidence level (usually 1.96 for 95% CI) e = margin of error

RE: Confidence intervals

2001-09-28 Thread Paul R. Swank
If your purpose is to try and teach students about confidence intervals, then it makes little sense to start out by telling them the counterexamples. I don't start telling students about standard deviations by describing a Cauchy distribution. Now if we are going to do away with confidence

Help with MINITAB

2001-09-28 Thread John Spitzer
I have a dataset which has about 35 column. Many of the cells have missing values. Since MINITAB recognizes the missing values, I can perform the statistical work I need to do and don't need to worry about the missing values. However, I would like to be able to obtain the subset of

Re: Help with Minitab Problem?

2001-09-28 Thread dennis roberts
unless you have a million rows ... seems like using the data window and just sliding over each row and highlight and delete ... would be easy by the way, why do you want to get rid of entire rows just because (perhaps) one value is missing? are you not wasting alot of useful data? At 06:16 PM