Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 8/30/2002, mra...@attbi.com writes: > What you got is exactly as stated in their specification. > > http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?productID=228 > This helps a lot. I had performed a web search earlier for specs on the IS-1000, but I did not turn this up.

RE: PFC or Harmonic Current Limitations outside Europe

2002-08-30 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
IEEE 519 is a Recommended Practice. It suggests voltage distortion limits at the Point of Common Coupling based upon the customer load vs short circuit current capabillity. It has nothing to do with paroduct harmonics. It is not a regulation, but electric utilities may adopt it as a company r

Re: Telephone headsets

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris K. Poore wrote (in ) about 'Telephone headsets' on Fri, 30 Aug 2002: >Is there a safety standard that we should use that is specific to these >telephone headsets for EU compliance? What is the application? It is almost certain that, whether it is for household or

Re: PCI Brackets Problems

2002-08-30 Thread Dan Irish - Sun BOS Hardware
Rick, Chomerics' Springline product line is an off-the-shelf solution: http://www.chomerics.com/products/cardcage.htm The spring-fingers on these one-piece gaskets are formed toward the rear panel instead of toward the inside, where damage due to snagging can be a problem. The only neg

Re: R: Telephone headsets

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Luigino Catello wrote (in <00a301c25046$2158dd80$be5dabd4@oemcomputer>) about 'R: Telephone headsets' on Fri, 30 Aug 2002: >The safety standard is the EN 60950. Why? A telephone headset is not within the scope of EN 60950, I think. EN 60065 is more applicable. -- Regar

Re: I wonder about some comments in IEC 664-1:1992

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Michael Jang wrote (in ) about 'I wonder about some comments in IEC 664-1:1992' on Fri, 30 Aug 2002: >I don't have a standard (IEC 664-1:1992). That says it all, doesn't it. The current edition is dated 2000-04-28. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. ht

Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread Mike Rains
What you got is exactly as stated in their specification. http://www.tripplite.com/products/product.cfm?productID=228 - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer" > > Hello All: > > Some of the lab

Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread Don_Borowski
As you mention, there can be common mode to differential mode conversion at the service entrance since safety ground and neutral are tied together at that point. This will come right through the transformer to some extent. But you did mention that the transformer has a capacitor and MOV from line

RE: PCI Brackets Problems

2002-08-30 Thread neven11
Oooops, my reply was really relevant to Compact PCI panels, not PCI. Sorry, I just realized it. I haven't worked on designs using PCI brackets for EMC. I believe that former Instrument Specielties, now part of Laird Technologies, can help you. They are very knowledgeable in the area of shiel

RE: PFC or Harmonic Current Limitations outside Europe

2002-08-30 Thread Jim Eichner
John: Re the US: Is IEEE519 given force in any way? Is there any agency, body, or utility that is requiring IEEE519 compliance? Re Japan: Do you know the name/number of the "trial standard" and where I can find a list of what types of products it applies to? Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. M

RE: PFC or Harmonic Current Limitations outside Europe

2002-08-30 Thread Jim Eichner
Joshua: Re Japan, I didn't have much luck on the JEITA website. Can you give me a specific reference (standard name/number, URL, etc.)? Also, is there a list of what types of products this requirement applies to? Thanks, Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Manager, Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc

Re: PCI Brackets Problems

2002-08-30 Thread neven11
There are several types of gaskets. The ones with a continuous ridge along the centerline (inverted V-shape) are not compliant thus they can leave slots and cause difficulties with board insertion. The spiral gaskets make good contact but tend to kink, get caught and fall out of the groove in

RE: PCI Brackets Problems

2002-08-30 Thread Gary McInturff
Yup, we had the same problem on a GNIC card. We made the card and its L-shaped bracket. The card was intended for any ol' computer. The casual contact between the face of the bracket and the PC chassis was "iffy" at best. I put a couple of small dimples (punched slots really), on the lo

Re: requirements for ITE power cords

2002-08-30 Thread Mike Rains
Actually, the rule (Article 210-22 of the NEC) has nothing to do with protecting the plugs or the wiring. The 80% rule is there to make sure the branch circuit overcurrent protective device (fuse or CB) doesn't overheat. - Original Message - From: "Robert Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, A

Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 8/30/2002, Don Borowski writes: > But there is common mode supression (hot and neutral against safety ground) > offered by the transformer, assuming that the capacitive coupling between > the > primary and secondary is minimal. > > ...There is one effect of a long run of bun

R: Telephone headsets

2002-08-30 Thread Luigino Catello
For your telephone headsets you have to follow the R&TTE directive not the LVD. The safety standard is the EN 60950. L. Catello Compliace Engineer ITALTEL-Italy - Original Message - From: Chris K. Poore To: EMC-PSTC Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 4:02 PM Subject: Telephone headsets

RE: Telephone headsets

2002-08-30 Thread richwoods
Chris, the CE marking indicates that the product complies with all applicable directives. The only two directives that might apply is the LV and EMC directives. However, the LVD does not apply since the working voltages are low. The EMC directive would apply if your equipment is likely to cause in

Radiated emission - power cable layout

2002-08-30 Thread amund
Hi all, Assume you are going to power three units from a power distribution box. You might have two scenarios: 1. Route one cable to the first unit, from that unit you route a new power cable to the next unit, and so on (serial connections) 2. Three separate power cables, one cable to

Ampacity - PCB ratings

2002-08-30 Thread SOUNDSURFR
Mark Gill asked: >I have a question for the group on the effects of temperature rating and deterioration. If a pcb is rated X degrees C, and the sizing of the power traces on an inner layer is such that the pcb temperature is now (X-1) degrees C, What effect does this have on the longevity

RE: EN60950-1 Sect 2.5 Limited Power sources

2002-08-30 Thread Robert Johnson
1. What is the correct method to test for a Limited Power source in determining what enclosure is required? The Isc limits must be met regardless of the load, not only at 30a or 8a. You need to do sufficient testing to satisfy yourself it will comply in general.

Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread Don_Borowski
Joe- I think you have got most of the points right. But there is common mode supression (hot and neutral against safety ground) offered by the transformer, assuming that the capacitive coupling between the primary and secondary is minimal. Note that this "common mode" signal is in fact differe

PCI Brackets Problems

2002-08-30 Thread rbusche
I am fighting the age old problem of PCI brackets on various PC chassis not making adequate electrical contact. Aperture leaks, especially at high frequencies, is a continual problem, to say nothing about the flimsy construction of the brackets. Has anyone had any success with the clips, gaske

RE: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread Robert Johnson
The transformer generates what the code call a "separately derived system." Typically such circuits are grounded (earthed). For US requirements see the National Electrical Code articles 250.21 and 250.22. The isolation transformer reduces common mode (supply vs ground) noise. That is its primary pu

Re: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread JPR3
In a message dated 8/30/2002, Chris Maxwell writes: > Most "isolation" transformers have a non-magnetic, metal shield between the > primary and secondary. The shield does not appreciably degrade the > transformer's magnetic coupling at 60Hz; however, it does attenuate the > high frequency dif

Telephone headsets

2002-08-30 Thread Chris K. Poore
We have some telephone headsets that we want to CE Mark, but are not sure what safety standard to use. Additionally, I don't see any category under the CE Marking directive that would be entirely applicable. The LVD seems most logical, except that the input voltage to the headsets is well below

RE: Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread Chris Maxwell
Joe, Most "isolation" transformers have a non-magnetic, metal shield between the primary and secondary. The shield does not appreciably degrade the transformer's magnetic coupling at 60Hz; however, it does attenuate the high frequency differential noise passed from primary to secondary. Th

Ampacity

2002-08-30 Thread Gill, Mark
Safety Folks - I have a question for the group on the effects of temperature rating and deterioration. If a pcb is rated X degrees C, and the sizing of the power traces on an inner layer is such that the pcb temperature is now (X-1) degrees C, What effect does this have on the longevity of the

RE: EN60950-1 Sect 2.5 Limited Power sources

2002-08-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Alex, 1. What is the correct method to test for a Limited Power source in determining what enclosure is required? Peter: The correct method for inherently limited power source is to measure the output current (Isc) after 60 seconds of operation with the load adjusted to maintain the Isc cur

2003 IEEE INTERNAIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON EMC - CALL FOR PAPERS

2002-08-30 Thread Elya B. Joffe
THE 2003 IEEE INTERNATIONAL SYMPOSIUM ON ELECTROMAGNETIC COMPATIBILITY (EMC) Istanbul Hilton Hotel, Istanbul, Turkey, May 11-16, 2003 Dear colleagues and fellow EMC engineers, Hello from Turkey, We take great pleasure in inviting you to participate in the 2003 IEEE International Symposium on

Re: JIS C 6861

2002-08-30 Thread T.Sato
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:55:57 -0400, richwo...@tycoint.com wrote: > Is JIS C 6861, mechanical standard for plastic fiber optic cable, the same > as IEC 6079-2? JIS C 6861 says that it was written with the intention to make it harmonized with the requirements of IEC 60794-1. I'm not sure if tho

Re: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that John Allen wrote (in <048001c24f9d$bd8895a0$0200a8c0@johnallen>) about 'Electric Fence Controllers' on Thu, 29 Aug 2002: >I once (about 12 years ago) had the dubious priviledge of being the Comittee >Secretary for the UK BSI standards committee dealing with these beasts a

I wonder about some comments in IEC 664-1:1992

2002-08-30 Thread Michael Jang
Dear members I don't have a standard (IEC 664-1:1992). But, I wonder about some comments in IEC 664-1:1992 as below; 1. What does mean R.I.V. (Rated Insulation Voltage)? Is it working voltage or EUT's rated voltage? If it is not... hm please explain for me. ^_^; 2. Are Table 2's d

EN60950-1 Sect 2.5 Limited Power sources

2002-08-30 Thread Alex McNeil
Hi group, I have a query on the understanding of the above section. I thought I fully understood it until I used a different lab for Product Safety Compliance testing (both accredited!). We use a linear (basically a transformer with a PTC thermistor) class II SELV O/P stand alone power supply ra

RE: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Stuart, I would assume that the power supply providing power to the fence is the normal utility supply (115/230 V). Therefore, the system is indeed covered by the LVD. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disc

RE: Abnormal test and SELV / 60950

2002-08-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Pierre, The compliance criteria for abnormal operating and fault conditions are specified in 5.3.8.1 (during the tests) and 5.3.8.2 (after the tests). These specs do not require you to measure SELV voltages during or after abnormals and this is why in many test reports you do not see the SELV lim

Re: Insulation Distance Between Circuitboard Layers (Safety)

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Doug McKean wrote (in <004b01c24f87$66393680$cb3e3...@corp.auspex.com>) about 'Insulation Distance Between Circuitboard Layers (Safety)' on Thu, 29 Aug 2002: >FR4 has a dielectric factor of about 4.7. That simply >means it's 4.7 times stronger than air. Therefore, >*

Re: Transmission line formula?

2002-08-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Cortland Richmond <72146@compuserve.com> wrote (in <200208291324_mc3-1-dc8-8...@compuserve.com>) about 'Transmission line formula?' on Thu, 29 Aug 2002: >Put two 3-foot pieces of your material at some convenient spacing. Using a >Z meter, find the quarter-wavelength f

Re: Electric Fence Controllers

2002-08-30 Thread Kyle Ehler
Ah yes, -sparking, sizzling wire fences... About 40 yrs ago I spent a few summers visiting with an uncle and family on his Iowa farm. He had a small electrified pen with hogs in it. My cousin would dare me to take a blade of grass and loop it around the wire to see how much jolt I could take befor

RE: requirements for ITE power cords

2002-08-30 Thread Robert Johnson
Sorry to knock your "substantially built" comment, but the derating is not based on the plug. In fact the 15 and 20 amp plugs are the same construction with different configuration. Both can be used at full rating. The circuit they are used in contains the limitation. The derating on North American

Curious about Tripp-Lite "isolation transformer"

2002-08-30 Thread JPR3
Hello All: Some of the laboratory tests that I perform require a source of AC mains power that is fully isolated from earth. To provide this function, I made a catalog purchase of a Tripp-Lite model IS-1000 "isolation transformer." This unit is equipped with a grounded (3-prong) 120 VRMS plu

Re: PCB design guideline

2002-08-30 Thread Wan Juang Foo
Peter, There is a summary for PCB design rules relating to EMC , (131351 bytes). It deals with the developments, rules and guidelines leading to my thesis, http://www.geocities.com/timfoo6143/Design_Rules.pdf A link could be found in the main page which leads to the rest of the thesis. http: