400 Hz filter

2003-11-27 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, looking for a filter for a shield room. Needs to be 400 Hz capable, and good for 230 Vac if possible. Anything above 30 Amps would be good. Anyone have one lying about on the shelf? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner, L F Research EMI Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, IL 61065

Difference between the HP 8566A and the HP 8566B

2003-11-25 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi there, can anyone tell me the difference between the two spectrum analysers? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner, L F Research EMI Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, IL 61065

Re: CEN standard scopes/abstracts

2003-11-23 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/23/2003 6:46:20 AM Central Standard Time, richhug...@aol.com writes: I would also advocate that it should be possible to obtain the complete scope clause of standards from each standards body. Abstracts are all very well, but they do not necessarily contain the fine

Re: EMI receiver: Dynamic Sciences DSI-2020

2003-11-21 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/19/2003 3:12:16 PM Central Standard Time, david.garn...@med.ge.com writes: Hello, Has anyone had any experiance with this receiver that they would be willing to share with me (on or off the listserve?) Interested, also if you are using any other EMI control S/W package

Re: opinions, please

2003-11-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of POWELL, DOUG Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 2:49 PM To: 'lfresea...@aol.com' Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: opinions, please Derek, Do you have a suggestion as to how the test should be performed

Re: USB2

2003-11-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/11/2003 12:05:00 PM Central Standard Time, rehel...@mmm.com writes: Is anyone (besides us) having any problems passing European Class B radiated emissions on devices that use USB2 communications? Does anyone know of a quiet USB2 laptop or PC? Any tips on isolating the noise

Re: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2003 2:34:28 PM Central Standard Time, ralph.mcdiar...@xantrex.com writes: Some have questioned whether 61000-3-2 is even an EMC standard! Why would it not be. In 25 years of working in EMC, I've seen EMC issues from DC to daylight... Just because PC's are

Re: opinions, please

2003-11-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/11/2003 9:36:21 AM Central Standard Time, john.radom...@modicon.com writes: The EMC guidelines read: ... If the component is intended to be placed on the market as a single commercial unit for distribution and/or final use this function has to be available WITHOUT further

Re: More CE mark issues...

2003-11-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 11/11/2003 3:51:21 AM Central Standard Time, david.cole...@racalinst.co.uk writes: My company designs and manufactures ATE systems and components for the Military, Aerospace and Functional test markets. Often what we are supplying is just an interface adapter (IA) that sits

Re: Regulatory Plan

2003-10-22 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 10/22/2003 1:42:02 PM Central Daylight Time, john_t...@bose.com writes: I don't know what type of product you are trying to put a plan together for but I would highly recommend you get a CB certification and report for the products especially if you are planning to sell in the

Re: ESD for a dev lab work place

2003-10-17 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 10/17/2003 11:45:09 AM Central Daylight Time, pat.law...@verizon.net writes: Are you thinking about an immunity test to verify your products are 'robust', or a standard that describes ways to minimize ESD on the bench? I'm concerned about the hazards of making proto units.

ESD for a dev lab work place

2003-10-16 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, I've been asked to advise on ESD standards to impose on a development lab, not a manufacturing area. Are there such Standards? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner, L F Research EMI Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, IL 61065

Re: Luggage Loader

2003-10-09 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 10/9/2003 1:20:42 PM Central Daylight Time, swis...@acstestlab.com writes: I am getting the impression that if you do use this method that a competent body should be involved especially since the entire band is not being covered. Someone of some higher authority will have to

Re: Luggage Loader

2003-10-09 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 10/9/2003 9:48:19 AM Central Daylight Time, swis...@acstestlab.com writes: My question is, is this method allowed only for in-situ testing, or can it be used when the EUT is so large that it cannot fit in the chamber? Hi Sam, I faced the same problem testing injection

Re: Missing Emissions data from D of C?

2003-10-08 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 10/3/2003 12:34:57 PM Central Daylight Time, bstu...@dlsemc.com writes: This points out one of the weaknesses of the self-declaration (DOC). The responsible party can self declare for whatever standards they feel suite their needs. Hi Bill, Not really, I have to disagree. I

Missing Emissions data from D of C?

2003-10-02 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, while reviewing a clients competitors D of C, I was surprised to see that only Immunity and Low voltage were address, there were no emissions requirements called out. The product is a professional arcade game. Is this product exempt? Any thoughts why this could be allowed? Cheers,

Magnetoic field test in DO-160

2003-09-23 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, I'm looking into the best way to perform the magnetic field from equipment test in DO-160. I'm currently using a compass, but has any one got a better idea? If I have to stick with a compass, has anyone go a preferred Vendor/model? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner, L F Research EMI

Re: 100 Base-T Hub

2003-09-23 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi Kevin, there is a version of Ethernet called Industrial Ethernet. One of the leaders is Contemporary Controls. I've tested their hubs and they are very good... Talk to George Karones His e-mail is: gkaro...@ccontrols.com Cheers, Derek N. Walton Owner, L F Research EMI Design and

Re: Load Cells for Radiated Susceptibility Testing

2003-09-22 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/22/2003 1:10:21 PM Central Daylight Time, tdonne...@act-sys.com writes: Group, I have an application where I need to load an actuator, and monitor the load, during EMI testing. I have to meet DO-160D, and MIL-STD-461E, which will include 200 V/m Radiated Susceptibility.

Ferrite Sleeving

2003-09-12 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi, I'm looking for sources of flexible Ferrite sleeving. Can anyone help? Thanks, Derek Walton

Re: Using a network analyser for EN61000-3-2 6 testing

2003-09-09 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 9/9/2003 10:29:03 AM Central Daylight Time, don_borow...@selinc.com writes: When I think of a network analyzer, I think of a device that injects a signal into a network, and then receives the signal after processing by the network using a receiver tuned to the original

Using a network analyser for EN61000-3-2 6 testing

2003-09-07 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone had looked into using a network analyser for measuring current harmonics? I have an analyser that will go down to 5 Hz, it seems a perfect instrument for this. Thoughts welcome. Thanks, Derek Walton.

HP 8566B and QP detector

2003-09-04 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, As you may know, I support the Schaffner Complaince 3 software here in the USA. I have a new driver written for a HP 8566B and QP adaptor, but I have no instrument to test it on. Is there anyone within 200 miles of Rockford IL that has one and would be prepared to rent it for a few days.

ESD from wiring

2003-08-31 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, well, I have found myself involved with an interesing problem. I'm testing an aircraft system, that only has a few wires... 8 or so, that interface with the outside world. 28 volt dc power, an programming loop, a manually operated switch and an indicator. Well, evey time the push

Re: EMI receiver for OATS

2003-08-28 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 8/27/2003 6:55:38 PM Central Daylight Time, gary_mcintu...@msn.com writes: Just a small heads up John. I don't have the specs on the instruments that you are discussing but one of the many things that the NIST folks want to know about your site are the qualifications of

Product standard for telescope

2003-08-28 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, I'm chatting with a client that manufacturers high end telescopes. Not usually found in Walmart, Currys etc. but they may find their way into richer family homes. These chaps are great for observing Mars at the moment! We are trying to decide which EMC product standard may apply for

HP 8566/8 Manuals

2003-08-13 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi folks, I'm writing a software driver for the HP 8566/8 Spectrum analysers, and I have the manuals for these two instruments. However, I now need to control the Quasipeak Adapter and Preselector, but I don't have the manuals for these two. Can anyone point me to them, ideally in .pdf. Failing

Re: Reverberation Chamber

2003-07-16 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/16/2003 8:27:47 AM Central Daylight Time, rehel...@mmm.com writes: Can someone point me in the direction of a company or information on constructing a reverberation (mode-stirred) chamber. We would like to use it as a precompliant diagnostic facility/resource. Any

Unterminated Busses

2003-07-15 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, recently I posted about my tribulations with a noisy motherboard. I was testing with just the bare minimum of components, which included cards in the slots. For grins I loaded up the PCI slots with cards, and the system got quieter. Note, there were no cables, just the cards plugged in.

Quiet Motherboard

2003-07-14 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Morning folks, At the risk of mentioning names... I was informed that Intel made a very quiet Motherboard But I've gone and lost the darned e-mail with the details! Can the person who told me this resend the e-mail? Very sorry to everyone else, Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research

Suggestions for PC MB and PS?

2003-07-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, I've determined that the Motherboard I have, is very noisy. Does anyone have a suggestions for a supplier that makes quiet Motherboards. Looking for a bog standard 1GHz clock board. Also, after testing several power supplies with a network analyser, I've determined that they have almost

Re: Instrument Controller Software

2003-07-08 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/8/2003 4:57:55 PM Central Daylight Time, croni...@hotmail.com writes: Hi I have a requirement to log the screens from a spectrum analyser over a period of between one day and one week. I have been using the DDDA software from Stanford research with some success.

Re: High Power Transorb

2003-07-07 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/2003 4:17:29 PM Central Daylight Time, j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: I'm looking for a high power transorb ( NOT MOV ). Currently the biggest I can find is 5kW. Can anyone point me to a higher power device? 5 kW for how long? Isn't it the total energy that is

High Power Transorb

2003-07-07 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, I'm looking for a high power transorb ( NOT MOV ). Currently the biggest I can find is 5kW. Can anyone point me to a higher power device? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, Illinois, USA www.lfresearch.com

Re: cable maximization - do you or don't you??

2003-07-07 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/7/2003 9:05:57 AM Central Daylight Time, jim.bac...@paxar.com writes: Charles, I have used three labs over the last two years. Every single one of them maximized the cables. One of the labs was part of a large company, the other two were smaller privately owned labs. In

Re: Source of noise

2003-07-03 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/2/2003 11:23:03 PM Central Daylight Time, j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk writes: Where did you get the idea that 'CE stops at 30 MHz'? The test for *conducted emissions on the mains lead* goes up to 30 MHz. Emissions at higher frequencies are controlled by the requirements for

Re: CISPR Receiver/SA

2003-07-02 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/2/2003 7:47:13 AM Central Daylight Time, richwo...@tycoint.com writes: If you were purchasing a brand new, fully CISPR compliant EMC receiver/SA, and wanted to obtain the best value at the lowest cost, what would you choose and why? Likewise, if you decided to purchase a

Source of noise

2003-07-02 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Morning folks.. I find myself wrestling with PC emissions again. No names this time :-) Above 500 MHz, I'm seeing a bunch of reasonably stable harmonics with about a 33 MHz spacing. Any thoughts as to what they may be from? I've played with all the case openings etc, and also added a ferrite

Re: Source of noise

2003-07-02 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 7/2/2003 3:03:29 PM Central Daylight Time, bstu...@dlsemc.com writes: Derek, All power supplies are supposed to be tested with a representative system. They are primarily designed to filter the supply emissions, since line filters typically do little filtering above 20 or 25

Re: Source of noise

2003-07-02 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, Thanks for the great replies! looks like the PCI bus is the problem.. But here's the quandry.. Now we are adding the cards back in, they should add little to the profile, correct? After all, they all have the CE mark on them, and some have the FCC sticker too. This is not happening,

HP Equipment Manuals

2003-06-30 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, Can anyone point me to a source for HP equipment manuals, ideally, downloadable Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, Illinois, USA www.lfresearch.com

Re: Site Atten. and Field Uniformity

2003-06-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi Bob, this is something that my lab does. We use network analyzers for NSA, and Field uniformity from 26 MHz to 4 GHz if you need that. While we are not A2LA accredited yet, we hope to be soon. Sincerely, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, Illinois,

Graphing Software

2003-05-16 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi All, I'm looking at plotting the response of devices on a polar plot, either 2D or 3D. In this cases it's the response of a field probe. Several plots will be used for different frequencies. Does anyone have suggestions of what package to use? I know or Origin, but it's very expensive.

Re: commentary on the use of recent model McIntosh amplifiers for audio susce...

2003-05-15 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 5/14/2003 8:56:31 PM Central Daylight Time, ed.pr...@cubic.com writes: I wonder if these amplifiers might be adaptable to our conducted immunity amplifier needs? Those McIntosh amplifiers are too expensive for me. I use a QSC amp for the low end, it will really drive a

Re: Design of low cost ESD gun.

2003-05-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 5/11/2003 4:38:57 PM Central Daylight Time, jde...@nas.com writes: Given a choice, I'd recommend buying a proper Haefely-Trench Generator (absolutely the best gun on the market, in my opinion). Otherwise, visit your local market and get a BBQ Lighter. Hi Jim, have

Re: Design of low cost ESD gun.

2003-05-11 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 5/8/2003 8:53:56 PM Central Daylight Time, ywle...@vtc.edu.hk writes: Can anyone provide some information about I want to make a low cost ESD gun for ESD test, the peak voltage about 4 or 8 k volt ( if it can induced + and - poloarity will be more better), the waveform

FCC Limits

2003-04-30 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, at the IEEE symposium last year I sat through a presentation that showed changes to the Part 15 limits. Can anyone point me to where I can get the numbers? I've searched around the FCC site, but not been very successful. Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test

Re: FCC Limits

2003-04-29 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 4/29/2003 9:01:17 AM Central Daylight Time, pierre-marie.an...@intel.com writes: You can visit : http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_01/47cfr15_01.html Good luck Pierre-Marie Andre Senior Approval Engineer Thanks, but this is the old limits. The new

D of C again

2003-04-29 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi folks, I've been asked by a US manufacturer who's signature if any should appear on the D of C, and should they be located on European soil. Is there a clear consensus? Thanks, Derek N. Walton Owner L F Research EMC Design and Test Facility Poplar Grove, Illinois, USA www.lfresearch.com

Radiated immunity test costs.

2003-04-04 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, Can anyone share with me what they are paying for radiated immunity testing. 80 MHz to 1 GHz, as well as 100 MHz to 18 GHz up to 200 v/m. Please reply off line!!! Thanks, Derek.

Re: Administrative message: allegations of non-compliance

2003-04-01 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 4/1/2003 3:05:32 AM Central Standard Time, alex.mcn...@ingenicofortronic.com writes: As you said we do not want to continue this thread but as a final word I feel I must state that I totally agree with your email. So the problem continues to be unresolved? I do not

Re: Lab integrity (was: RE: OK, what's going on?)

2003-03-31 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 9:34:03 AM Central Standard Time, peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: While I can't speak for all OEM pc manufacturers or intend to contradict your personal experience My personal experience has only had me visit 2 OEM's Both were exceptional. You don't

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-31 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/28/03 10:05:02 AM Central Standard Time, rsto...@lucent.com writes: what do you do to the company that passes site A oats,then fails site B...go to site C?...best 2 out of 3? HI Richard.. As an assessor, we have been taking great steps to get this problem down to

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-27 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/27/2003 8:34:58 AM Central Standard Time, rsto...@lucent.com writes: Mark mentioned reports, a paper trail...or is it? Vendors doing the EMC/EMI ?, who might a vendor be for say IBM or Dell? would think the mfr'r would have an associate there during testing like most of

OK, what's going on?

2003-03-27 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi all, This e-mail has been prompted because of a number of things that have all come together. This may take a little reading, but please stick with it. Last note... this is not intended to pick on any individuals, or organization, but I do want to stir the pot. I operate an engineering lab,

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-27 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 4:11:56 PM Central Standard Time, drcuthb...@micron.com writes: most interesting data. I have two questions: What software are you exercising the PC's with and is the spread spectrum enabled? I assume you are using an RBW of 120 kHz and using Quasi-peak detection.

Re: EN61000-4-3 Radiated Immnuity Product Monitoring

2003-03-27 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
Hi Alex, talk to Sensormatic, the are in Florida, but great folks to deal with. Don Umbdenstock would be the chap. djumbdenst...@tycoint.com They have a remarkable camera that can sit in the roof and zoom quite hi. While I was at his lab, I didn't see it respond to fields up to 10 v/m. The

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-26 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:49:04 PM Central Standard Time, cgrassospri...@earthlink.net writes: So the next obvious question is: Are the majority of the PC failures clones?? So far, from what I've seen... no. Derek.

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-25 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 8:28:40 PM Central Standard Time, cgrassospri...@earthlink.net writes: Question to Derek: Do the PCs have the infamous assembled from FCC compliant components label?? The clones do, the others do not. Little more news.. 2 laptops, an older Micron, 350 MHz,

Re: PC EMI

2003-03-25 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 5:10:12 PM Central Standard Time, randall.flind...@emulex.com writes: I am sure you also addressed this but since I have 2 cents to add... A front-end overload condition on the receiver/analyzer, or an overload at the pre-amplifier, can cause errors in

Re: OK, what's going on?

2003-03-25 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 7:27:32 PM Central Standard Time, ken.ja...@emccompliance.com writes: What bands were the outages in? Sorry Ken... got to stop you here. When I assess, I do so to the standard. The FCC make the rules, we either comply or we don't. No need to second guess the

Re: PC EMI

2003-03-25 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 3/25/2003 4:31:09 PM Central Standard Time, drcuthb...@micron.com writes: Derrick, I'm sure you used the antenna factors correctly but I'll put in my 2 cents worth anyway. Were the AF's used correctly? You need the TX AF and the RX AF. If the receive antenna factor was used

Re: EN 55022:1998 plus A1:2000

2003-02-06 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 2/6/2003 4:10:16 PM Central Standard Time, emcp...@aol.com writes: Also, does anyone recommend where to buy these ferrite tubes? Hi Tim, Schaffner makes these. Call John Parnell on 1-800-367-5566 He's on Ext 225 ( I think ) I'm sure there are others... Cheers, Derek

Re: EN55022:1998 + A1:2000

2003-01-28 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 1/28/03 6:32:49 PM Central Standard Time, drcuthb...@micron.com writes: A1 to EN55022:1998 requires the use of ferrite clamps on all cables leaving the table-top EUT for a connection outside the test site. Are there any other manufacturers of these clamps other than Fischer

Re: question on test labs for mulitple burst multiple stroke lightning

2003-01-24 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 1/23/2003 3:37:38 PM Central Standard Time, shbe...@rockwellcollins.com writes: Now that DO-160D, change 3 is published, does anyone have suggestions for test labs that can perform mulitple burst multiple stroke lightning? I believe that TUV in Minn, MN and Lightning

Re: Video Cameras for EMC Test Monitoring

2003-01-15 Thread lfresea...@aol.com
In a message dated 1/15/03 12:30:26 PM Central Standard Time, smcen...@ustech-lab.com writes: We are in the process of purchasing video cameras for monitoring EMC Immunity testing up to 10V/M. Pricing for cameras designed to withstand 20V/M is way high do any of you successfully