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Hi Bostjan,
I know that if circuit is not going out of building it is considered being
without transien
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911747. Our lead times for testing and consultancy are typically 4-5 weeks.
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Hi Bostjan,
I know th
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The IEC store has IEC TR 62368-2:2019 RLV for 553 Swiss Francs. Ouch.
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The IEC store has IEC TR 62368-2:2019 RLV for 553 Swiss Francs. Ouch.
From: John Woodgate
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You can get 62368-2 from: https://www.evs.ee/en/iec-tr-62368-2
You can get 62368-2 from: https://www.evs.ee/en/iec-tr-62368-2-2019, but
it is rather costly.
On 2024-05-08 21:00, Piotr Galka wrote:
After reading your post my decision was to buy 62368-2 but I've just
checked that in PKN (Polish Standards Committee) I can buy 62368-1
what I have done long
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Thanks for your feedback, but...
I am slowly and carefully reading 62368-1 for the
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Hi Bostjan,
Thanks for your feedback, but...
I am slowly and carefully reading 62368-1 for the first time.
It defines 'external circuit' in 3.3.1.1 as "electrical circuit that is
exter
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I hope this helps. If you need more info, you can contact me.
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I have got laptop with type A power supply so it looks being not
excluded from 5.4.11 by rules in 5.4.11.1.
For me USB are external circuits indicated in Table 14, ID numbers 1 and
2 (I think USB is 'Paired conductor', but even not it certainly is 'Any
other
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It isn't clear to me whether the requirements of 5.4.2 and
It isn't clear to me whether the requirements of 5.4.2 and 5.4.3
(Edition 4) apply if the product remains safe with relevant clearances
and creepages short-circuited (one at a time). The specific case is at a
point fed by a 1 kV DC source behind two 4.7 megohm resistors in series.
Please
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Thanks Don.
Do you know at what temperature is the cold impact test done?
Christopher
On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 05:04:33 AM PDT, Don Gies
wrote:
Christopher,
Per Annex Y.6, you have to consider performing the cold impact tests on
polymeric outdoor enclosures housing
Hi Christopher,
This is applicable for outdoor product. IP test follows cold impact test.
Best regards,
Boštjan
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Folks,
When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1
Third edition.
I was told
Folks,
When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1
Third edition.
I was told if EUT is powered by ES3/PS3 then it is required.
any insight will be helpful
Thanks in advance
Christopher
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All,
I was reviewing the rationale document IEC TR 62368-2 and found a comment
in 5.4.3: "*However, there is no rationale why the creepage distances are
different for printed wiring boards and other isolation material under the
same condition (same PD and same CTI). *"
Apparently some important
All,
Can anyone definitely tell me if the Third Edition of IEC 62368-1 has
finally replaced IEC Guide 112, all editions?
I am aware that up to IEC 62368-1 ED2, A2 certain aspects of multimedia
equipment were not yet incorporated. The IEC Webstore does not seem to
indicate if this has been
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All
I'm testing a very small device that is powered by an external 3.7V, 210 mAh
Lithium Polymer battery - the device is smaller than the battery so the battery
is external to the product and I'm still
All
I'm testing a very small device that is powered by an external 3.7V, 210 mAh
Lithium Polymer battery - the device is smaller than the battery so the battery
is external to the product and I'm still getting my head around this standard.
The device is sold B2B for very specialist
I also agree in large part with Ted and Rich. There are periods during the
development cycle where stakeholder input is sought. This is a time, usually at
the end of the CD and DIS stages, where the National Committees are expected to
consult with their stakeholder groups, and then assess and
I largely agree with Ted’s observations.
“Most often, we need the submitter to provide more details at the meeting
before the committee can make an informed decision about the proposed change.”
The IEC/USTAG comment forms have limited space for comments. One MUST attend
the meeting
Hi Vincent:
You asked:
1) May I know where can one has access to IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft
International Standard (FDIS) ?
Ask your national committee to IEC TC108 for this document.
2) What are the major differences between IEC 62368-1 3ed and 2nd editions ?
I don’t
.
Ghery S. Pettit
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I can only speak of my experience within the U.S. Na
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The secrecy is mostly justified as a protection of committee members from
abusive reactions and even threats. However, the secrecy is often exagg
I object to the secrecy and closed aspects of the IEC standards process.
A better example is the NFPA where revision cycles are rigorously
scheduled, public input and change requests are welcome, proposals are
openly debated and published, and the standard is publicly available.
They still
Hi Vincent,
See below my answers. I hope it helps.
Best regards,
Bostjan
From: Vincent Lee [mailto:08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org]
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 8:25 PM
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Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final Draft International Standard (FDIS)
Hi all
:
See below…
Sorry I can’t give more definitive answers to you.
Ghery S. Pettit
Chair, CISPR SC I
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See below…
Sorry I can’t give more definitive answers to you.
Ghery S. Pettit
Chair, CISPR SC I
From: Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 12:25 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 3ed, Final
1. You can ask your National Committee, but that may not work. At some
future date, maybe not far off, it may be available from the IEC as a
'PRV' (Pre-release version), which you pay for but then get the actual
published version for no additional charge.
2. The differences are too extensive
From the public part of the IEC web site, the FDIS is still at editing
check, so hasn't been circulated yet. To find Previews, go to www.iec.ch
and open Webstore. There is a list of available pre-releases (PRV
documents).
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates
Hi all,
Given IEC 62368-1, 3rd ed has passed the Committee Draft for Voting (CDV) stage
in Oct 2017, may I know where can we get a copy of IEC 62368-1, 3rd edition
Final Draft International Std (FDIS) for preview ?
Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you.Vincent
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> *Subject:* [PSES] IEC 62368-1 compliance for Equipment w Two AC Entries
>
>
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> To All,
>
> Would appreciate adv
insulation.
Best regards,
Richard Nute
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:27 AM
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To All,
Would appreciate advise
To All,
Would appreciate advise regarding a Model of ITE equipment currently with CB
approval to IEC 60950-1 that has Two AC Power entries rated 200-240 Vac, 14
Amps, Class 1, pluggable Type B, with appropriate warning labels to Remove both
power cords before servicing.
Is there a Spacing
other than to give consideration to the appropriate
use of the component or subassembly in the end-product.
Best regards,
Rich
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2017 4:21 PM
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Hi all,
Good evening,
May I know is the following Clause going to included in the coming IEC 62368-1,
3rd edition ?
Clause 4.1.1 extract from IEC 62368-1, 1st (2010),
" Components and subassemblies that comply with IEC 60950-1 or IEC 60065 are
acceptableas part of equipment covered by this
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:23 PM
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Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1, 3rd edition Final Draft International St
Hi all,
Good morning,
May I know where can I access the IEC 62368-1, 3rd edition Final Draft
International Standard ?
Hope to hear from you soon. Thank you a lot. Regards, Vincent
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John, et al,
Just remember that this is a dynamic document and any
circulated version will, like fish left lying around, age rather quickly and
leave an unpleasant odor behind.
manent.
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John, et al,
Just remember that this is a dynamic document and an
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It's only 16 kB, so it's not size that is the problem. The copy-and paste
version came through to me. This may help:
Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at
h
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Hi All,
I spoke to the Secretary of IEC TC 108 and he is happy to share the current
state of affairs. However, it's in the form of an Excel spreadsheet which
exceeds the maximum size permitted by this message board [I know, I tried to
copy-and
, United Kingdom.
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
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I doubt tha
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Subject: RE: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Hi All,
I spoke to the Secretary of IEC TC 108 and he is happy to share the current
state of affairs. I hope thi
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To: McBurney, Ian <ian.mcbur...@allen-heath.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
There is such a document but it
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Hello John.
Do you know why the IEC doesn't make this information available to the
public?
It would be very useful to those manufacturers who sell their products
worldwide.
Kind regards;
Ian McBurney
Design & Compliance Engineer.
A
@allen-heath.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:21 AM
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Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Dear Colleagues.
I have been informed that China, Japan & Australia have not adopted IEC
62368-1 yet.
Does anyone know of a document or website where I can check to see which
coun
Dear Colleagues.
I have been informed that China, Japan & Australia have not adopted IEC 62368-1
yet.
Does anyone know of a document or website where I can check to see which
countries have adopted the above standard?
I am having to test products to the above standard but with the national
Bostjan, et al,
It is hard to know when the transition to 62368 will be
completed country by country since the internal work to implement the new
standard is done independently of the IEC work. In North America and Europe
the work has been carried on in parallel and the
answered for China.
Do you know when hybrid TRF will be available?
Best regards,
Bostjan
From: Pete Perkins [mailto:peperkin...@cs.com]
Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 2:08 AM
To: Boštjan Glavič; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Bostjan, et al
In message 002a01d07afe$1650f2b0$42f2d810$@cs.com, dated Sun, 19 Apr
2015, Pete Perkins 0061f3f32d0c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org
writes:
Some manufacturers are already having their safety team
reviewing products against the new standard to identify the areas of
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From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si]
Sent: 2015年4月18日 12:33
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Dear
Dear experts,
Does anyone know what is the current situation with acceptance of new hazard
based standard worldwide. As far as I know, EN 62368-1 is harmonized standard
in EU and UL 62368-1 in US/CAN. What about other countries, what is the plan
there?
In particular I am interested in China,
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dated Sat, 18 Apr 2015, =?iso-8859-2?Q?Bo=B9tjan_Glavi=E8?=
bostjan.gla...@siq.si writes:
Does anyone know what is the current situation with acceptance of new
hazard based standard worldwide. As far as I know, EN 62368-1 is
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Dear experts,
Does anyone know what is the current situation with acceptance of new hazard
based standard worldwide. As far as I know, EN 62368-1 is harmonized standard
in EU and UL 62368-1 in US/CAN. What about
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From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:bostjan.gla...@siq.si]
Sent: 2015年4月18日 18:31
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Dear Tsing,
Thank you for your information. Do you have some more details, how will be
called Chinese standard. Is it possible to see
Dear all,
Below are some tecnical questions about IEC 62368-1 I found during power supply
testing according to this standard. There are plenty of others, but let's
discuss these first.
Best regards,
Bostjan
1) Y2 capacitor across basic insulation.
According to the clause G.11 and tables G.8,
On 8/8/2014 11:56 PM, Boštjan Glavič wrote:
1) Y2 capacitor across basic insulation.
According to the clause G.11 and tables G.8, G.9, G.10 and G.11, 2 Y2
capacitors are required in series for bridging basic insulation in the
circuit with OVC II. This is not in line with current table 1C of
Brian, et al,
All this discussion falls back to dealing with change. I'm sure
that none of us wants to be considered Luddites - opposed to updating
requirements based upon better understanding of fundamental requirements.
Remember that 60950 was developed from 2 European and 2
reply.
Best regards,
Ron
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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:13 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Is this yet another regulatory requirement that will be up to industry, book
writers
Engineer.
Flame me. It feels good.
Brian
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Woodgate
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
In message DA17D7D0C0A34C549E96985EBD72CD83
Perkins
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:42 AM
To: 'Charlie Blackham'; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] IEC 62368-1
Charlie et al,
The issue of testing against a proposed or new standard is always a
good question.
There was a paper given at the 2007 PSES 'Application
In message DA17D7D0C0A34C549E96985EBD72CD83@Pete97219Compaq, dated
Tue, 20 Sep 2011, Pete Perkins peperkin...@cs.com writes:
Altho there are high hopes for this Hazard Based approach, the
standard is still somewhat controversial. Some expected some amalgam
of 60065 and 60950; this new
Charlie et al,
The issue of testing against a proposed or new standard is always a
good question.
There was a paper given at the 2007 PSES 'Application Guide for
Hazard Based Safety Engineering' [by Volker Gasse of IBM Germany] which
included the analysis and application of the
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