Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-07 Thread Peter Blodow
Am 04.04.2014 14:46, schrieb Gene Heskett: yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Gene, The Any Key is on the PC case outside, right beside the small red lamp, sometimes labelled R. Pressing will always bring

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 07 April 2014 05:36:49 Peter Blodow did opine: Am 04.04.2014 14:46, schrieb Gene Heskett: yeah, and I've been looking for the any key for 30 years. Haven't found a new keyboard with one of them yet. Cheers, Gene Gene, The Any Key is on the PC case outside, right beside the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread andy pugh
On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS / avahi and auto-mounted by the several different Linux boxes. I WoL the box I

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Russell Brown
Quoth Sebastian Kuzminsky. Who made decision about not including ubc and when? As release manager, I did. It was a few days before i made the 2.6 branch announcement. Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? There were none - as release manager i made the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 4 Apr 2014, at 10:17, andy pugh wrote: On 4 April 2014 05:56, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) Well, I have a shared git repository on my Mac exported through NFS / avahi and auto-mounted by the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Dave Cole linuxcncro...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, I think you are being nice regarding Unity. Someone smoked too much of something and then continued to code anyway when they did Unity. Synaptic Manager does not come along with 12.04, I had to install it.

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread sam sokolik
I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..) http://imagebin.org/303764 (atleast it has done everything I have asked) sam On

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software center' It seems to have the similar functionality as synaptic. (search for stuff, add repositories..)

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread sam sokolik
I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04. sam On 4/4/2014 7:07 AM, Mark Wendt wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:56 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I had mentioned in a previous email - the new 'package manager' in 12.04 and newer is 'ubuntu software

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Stevenson
- Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by and find some other package - that says it installs easily. then gripe

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:14 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: I splurged and bought my first SSD and did a fresh install of 14.04. sam Ah, okay. I've done upgrades in the past and had issues during the upgrade. just curious to see if you'd done it and had any. Thanks, Mark

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more than that, and I'm guessing the average - non-guru user will pass it by

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Wendt
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it can do the more dreams of what it could do - Anything more

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 April 2014 09:08:48 Mark Wendt did opine: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Friday 04 April 2014 08:45:04 Stuart Stevenson did opine: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?) NEVER - the more it

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole
IMO, the new 12.04 software center has some big usability problems compared to the Synaptic Mgr. Synaptic package manager is clearly a different package which can be loaded via the software center, then you can ignore the software center and get back to work! :-) I shuddered when I saw the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole
You're right. Following the Mac philosophy, the user needs to be able to go to a single, easily found, place, and double click on an icon or filename, and the file should download then install itself. In fact, if there was a double-click installation of Ubuntu 12 and LinuxCNC that would

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread John Kasunich
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use. But if a single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and components don't just plug and play.

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Dave Cole
On 4/4/2014 8:59 AM, John Kasunich wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Dave Cole wrote: I understand that everyone wants things to be easy to use. But if a single click install is the requirement for a CNC application, the user will be woefully disappointing when the CNC cards and

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Mark Tucker
The company i used to work for used to have a cnc with a plopper button. The boss would often come over and say plop a hole here and plop a slot there. But i never found it?:-\ On 04/04/14 13:17, Stuart Stevenson wrote: - Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would - it?)

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
W dniu 03.04.2014 22:26, Philipp Burch pisze: I understand, 7i80 support requires realtime ethernet, which requires rt-preempt or xenomai. I'm optimistic that the LinuxCNC developer community will continue to work on adding support for these realtime systems, and that when it's ready we

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Charles Buckley
One functionality I would like to see is an integrated repository manager within LinuxCNC itself. That way, people could point to repositories for designs and downloads. Granted, a different use case than for the application itself, which has to use the software repository manager provided by

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-04 Thread Ed
On 04/04/2014 04:18 AM, Russell Brown wrote: As a counterbalance to the brickbats flying around, I'd just like to say thanks for putting your head over the top and making a decision. Even if it doesn't have everything people want in it (when would it?), the mere fact that there is a new

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Wed, 02 Apr 2014 00:50:06 -0600, you wrote: I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Mark Tucker
I am very disheartened to read this. The fact that the new Trajectory planner/ubc work, will not be included . Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will get tested properly. If there was an

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marcus Bowman
On 3 Apr 2014, at 13:17, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Dave Cole
On 4/3/2014 7:17 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 12:30, Mark Tucker m...@rmtucker.f2s.com wrote: Exactly what is the 2.6 branch bringing to the table at this point?? As someone has already stated,why can it not be a case of switch the new TP on/off in the ini. It is the only way it will

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation before it has been tested by myself and a lot of

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, Few questions: Who made decision about not including ubc and when? As release manager, I did. It was a few days before i made the 2.6 branch announcement. Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:45:15 +0200, you wrote: As much as we all want the big features, not one of us who use and test the Master branch on a regular basis has seen any of these for general use or testing. I for one cannot wait to get the new TP but I will not use it in any installation

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: now as it's been fixed it sits languishing in some place only the adept can get at. It isn't _that_ hard to get the development branch. Configure the Synaptic Package manager to look at the buildbot then tell it to update. --

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I have to agree here. The instructions to install is on the wiki and not hard to do. I have not used production release (2.5.3) for a long time. I only use and test on master. Once it is set up it is three commands and you running On 2014-04-03 21:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50,

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Mark Tucker
Well i tried that. It now continually tells me there is an update,then will not let me as there is something wrong with keys. I have to continually remove and re-install. A rather large pain. On 03/04/14 20:08, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 19:50, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote:

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. The wiki is very clear and easy to follow. I turn the auto update stuff off completely as it screws with my stuff all the time. I do a regular pull form the branch to stay up to date. If I installed a machine from master and it

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru category though. Setting up an alternative software source (which I haven't found any problems with) is only a

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Mark Tucker
Marius You have missed the point. I also run master from the git repository. But master fom the buildbot does not work correctly for me (wrong keys when updating). Which means i had to install from git and as steve said only the linux adept can get it. It is a case of oh load that version from

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Stephen Dubovsky
Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ (BTW, I found that by googling how to get linuxcnc master branch) Agreed. Doing git and compiling falls under linux guru. But even I can follow the above instructions. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:01 PM, andy pugh

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Mark, I sure identify with you on your frustration. The first time to attempt a download is fraught with horror. Ask your questions - someone will help with an answer - you will get there. Simple questions get simple answers. One subject/question at a time will get you there a lot quicker

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Philipp Burch
Hi everyone! On 04/03/2014 05:15 PM, Sebastian Kuzminsky wrote: On 4/2/14 15:56 , Michał Geszkiewicz wrote: Hi Seb, Hi Michal, [... some flaming ...] Additionally realtime ethernet is what could make linuxcnc project competitive with industrial cnc controllers. and it's only possible

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 April 2014 21:09, Stephen Dubovsky smdubov...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, You talking about doing it this way? http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ Yes, though you can add the same info to the package manager in the GUI. In Lucid you can find Synaptic from the Administration menu. In Precise this

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Dave Cole
For those wanting to install LinuxCNC on Precise 12.04, search the old messages in the emc-users list for messages with this subject line: LinuxCNC on Ubuntu Precise 12.04 with RTAI Seb made the announcement of a way to install this months ago and it worked well except for a couple of issues

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread sam sokolik
I was not a linux person before I found linuxcnc (emc2 at the time). It was an unknown. (and I work in computers). After playing with linuxcnc for a while - I dual-booted my laptop between linuxcnc (ubuntu 6.04 iirc) and XP. Well - I started booting into windows less and less. I got the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
Mark I also only ever run from the master. I dont use the buildbot since I found it to be unreliable some time ago. It might have bee fixed by now but it is not my preferred method. I dont usually install from git unless it is a special case to test. Hence my request to Seb to get the new stuff

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-03 Thread Marius Liebenberg
I would have put the likes of yourself into the guru class not what I do :) On 2014-04-03 22:01, andy pugh wrote: On 3 April 2014 20:31, Marius Liebenberg mar...@mastercut.co.za wrote: Mark Use the git method to install and compile the master branch. I do think that falls into the Linux Guru

[Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-02 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
I am pleased to announce the creation of a branch for stabilizing and releasing LinuxCNC 2.6. This marks the beginning of the 2.6 release process. Look for a 2.6.0~pre1 pre-release in the near future. The 2.6 branch does not contain either of the two big, hotly anticipated merge candidates,

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-02 Thread sam sokolik
Yay! This is a good decision. Just a stepping stone to 2.7. (which won't be as long as 2.6 was) I have seen all the sausage making - with the relatively few people actively working on linuxcnc - big features/improvements are in the works. (and this takes time) (but thing are coalescing..)

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-02 Thread Charles Buckley
With the large number of changes to the architecture, will there be a jump to 3.0 after 2.7? On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:25 AM, sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: Yay! This is a good decision. Just a stepping stone to 2.7. (which won't be as long as 2.6 was) I have seen all the

Re: [Emc-users] Announcing the LinuxCNC 2.6 branch

2014-04-02 Thread Michał Geszkiewicz
Hi Seb, Few questions: Who made decision about not including ubc and when? Where are the emails that invite developers to irc meeting to vote this? Why voting about need to integrate ubc before 2.6 from irc meeting http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201306 was ignored? Why you