Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-12 Thread Gregg Eshelman
On 3/11/2014 11:26 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:25:43 John Kasunich did opine: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Chuckle. But how old is that? we must have at least 20 by now. A perfect example is the USB standard. It began with exactly two and only two

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 12 March 2014 03:13:46 Gregg Eshelman did opine: On 3/11/2014 11:26 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:25:43 John Kasunich did opine: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Chuckle. But how old is that? we must have at least 20 by now. A perfect

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:21:56 -0400, you wrote: On Monday 10 March 2014 18:19:45 jeremy youngs did opine: gene , have a go at this http://precisionparts.wmberg.com/timingBeltsChains I am thinking I need a 5mm pitch, 9.5mm wide, 72 cogs long, but they only go up to 3mm pitch. If it's a Sieg

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 06:06:32 Steve Blackmore did opine: On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:21:56 -0400, you wrote: On Monday 10 March 2014 18:19:45 jeremy youngs did opine: gene , have a go at this http://precisionparts.wmberg.com/timingBeltsChains I am thinking I need a 5mm pitch, 9.5mm wide,

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Damn John, I just counted it twice more and got 31 both times. At a top of the tooth diameter of 1.803, where the heck does that leave us/me? The smaller driver pulley, is .976 across the top of the teeth, and 17 teeth, .388

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread samco
In our first attempt to make the spindle encoder for the KT - we grabbed a timing gear that we had 2 of.. (Something from some old printers we took apart (70's vintage probably). Well - when we got all done we could not find a belt to match the pitch. We gave up and used different timing

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread John Kasunich
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png -- John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/11/2014 08:27 AM, John Kasunich wrote: OK, math done. The pitch comes out to 0.1855, which has me mystified, because I've never heard of such a thing. (I've done a fair bit if tooth- belt research for different projects.) Well, 5 mm is ~ .197, so maybe accounting for the pitch

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/11/2014 08:48 AM, sa...@empirescreen.com wrote: In our first attempt to make the spindle encoder for the KT - we grabbed a timing gear that we had 2 of.. (Something from some old printers we took apart (70's vintage probably). Well - when we got all done we could not find a belt to

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 12:29:32 John Kasunich did opine: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 11:09 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Damn John, I just counted it twice more and got 31 both times. At a top of the tooth diameter of 1.803, where the heck does that leave us/me? The smaller driver pulley,

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:25:43 John Kasunich did opine: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Chuckle. But how old is that? we must have at least 20 by now. Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order.

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:28:53 Jon Elson did opine: On 03/11/2014 08:27 AM, John Kasunich wrote: OK, math done. The pitch comes out to 0.1855, which has me mystified, because I've never heard of such a thing. (I've done a fair bit if tooth- belt research for different projects.)

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 March 2014 17:17, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: From SPI-SC, about $175 a set in metal what I assume is kevlar belt backing. In XL format. The bores are a hair odd, and it would be the first time they ever broached a 4mm key in a 10mm bore for the top pulley. No need to broach

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 13:45:31 andy pugh did opine: On 11 March 2014 17:17, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: From SPI-SC, about $175 a set in metal what I assume is kevlar belt backing. In XL format. The bores are a hair odd, and it would be the first time they ever broached a

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread John Kasunich
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 03/11/2014 08:27 AM, John Kasunich wrote: OK, math done. The pitch comes out to 0.1855, which has me mystified, because I've never heard of such a thing. (I've done a fair bit if tooth- belt research for different projects.)

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 14:05:05 John Kasunich did opine: On Tue, Mar 11, 2014, at 12:41 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 03/11/2014 08:27 AM, John Kasunich wrote: OK, math done. The pitch comes out to 0.1855, which has me mystified, because I've never heard of such a thing. (I've done a

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 March 2014 17:46, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I took an entirely diffferent approach on my 9x40: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Ilc3m7J-FIGIoLXQTOYqcdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink That didn't seem to be the right pix Andy. ? It's the right picture. I dispensed

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 March 2014 18:07, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: So in the long view, I may as well give sdp-sc a call confirm the ugly details give them a card number. Why not buy pilot-bore pulleys and modify to suit? It would be easier with a working lathe, though not _that_ much easier as

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-11 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 18:47:15 andy pugh did opine: On 11 March 2014 18:07, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: So in the long view, I may as well give sdp-sc a call confirm the ugly details give them a card number. Why not buy pilot-bore pulleys and modify to suit? It would be

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Mark Wendt
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. I find that by the time I get the motor leveled and the

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 05:53:17 Mark Wendt did opine: On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread andy pugh
On 10 March 2014 09:59, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I see that in XL they have a 9.5mm width which would fit, but if you hunt around, the GT2 2mm pitch stuff doesn't match at all. You might find http://www.hpcgears.com/n/products/1.pulleys_belts/pulleys_belts.php useful. I don't

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 11:31:19 andy pugh did opine: On 10 March 2014 09:59, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I see that in XL they have a 9.5mm width which would fit, but if you hunt around, the GT2 2mm pitch stuff doesn't match at all. You might find

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 16:35:32 Gene Heskett did opine: On Monday 10 March 2014 11:31:19 andy pugh did opine: On 10 March 2014 09:59, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I see that in XL they have a 9.5mm width which would fit, but if you hunt around, the GT2 2mm pitch stuff doesn't

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 04:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Continuing this thread of trying to determine what belt I need to properly fit these pulleys, I have talked to Chris Wood at LMS but he can't help me with anything but OEM parts, so some math based on the gullet od + the tip od on

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread jeremy youngs
gene , have a go at this http://precisionparts.wmberg.com/timingBeltsChains jeremy youngs On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 04:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Continuing this thread of trying to determine what belt I need to

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Morel
Do you have the LMS part number. I have access to pretty much any kind of belt through work. I can check tomorrow Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Monday 10 March 2014 11:31:19 andy pugh did opine: On 10 March 2014 09:59, Gene

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Morel
Yes, the Pitch Dia. is greater than the OD of the sprocket. take a look at the below link. http://www.brecoflex.com/index.php?CATID=7SCATID=44 On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 5:17 PM, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fmwrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 04:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Continuing

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 17:30:25 John Kasunich did opine: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 04:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Continuing this thread of trying to determine what belt I need to properly fit these pulleys, I have talked to Chris Wood at LMS but he can't help me with anything but OEM

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 18:19:45 jeremy youngs did opine: gene , have a go at this http://precisionparts.wmberg.com/timingBeltsChains I am thinking I need a 5mm pitch, 9.5mm wide, 72 cogs long, but they only go up to 3mm pitch. Thanks for looking Jeremy. Cheers, Gene -- There are four

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 18:22:18 Brian Morel did opine: Do you have the LMS part number. I have access to pretty much any kind of belt through work. I can check tomorrow The current LMS part number, B01-04 1105, is not the correct part, its pitch length is a small percentage longer that

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 18:33:35 Brian Morel did opine: Yes, the Pitch Dia. is greater than the OD of the sprocket. take a look at the below link. http://www.brecoflex.com/index.php?CATID=7SCATID=44 Looks good, till I tried to use the belt selector, my browser or their web page is broken

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread John Kasunich
Gene: It seems like you're going about this the hard way. The first step is to identify the belt family. Look at the shape of the teeth on the belt. Are they round, or trapezoidal? Take a look at the pictures here: http://www.sdp-si.com/D265/HTML/D265T015.html Given that your pitch is

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 20:28:53 John Kasunich did opine: Gene: It seems like you're going about this the hard way. The first step is to identify the belt family. Look at the shape of the teeth on the belt. Are they round, or trapezoidal? Take a look at the pictures here:

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread andy pugh
On 11 March 2014 00:36, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: No mark of that sort POM in one of the casting webs is it. Looks like pretty fresh casting to me. In some sort of black ABS? It's POM :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyoxymethylene One trade-name for POM is Delrin -- atp

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 08:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 10 March 2014 20:28:53 John Kasunich did opine: HTD: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.835 GT2: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.835 XL: PD = 1.910 OD = 1.890 T5: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.848 Ok, what happens when the pulley OD is (across the teeth)

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/10/2014 03:55 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: The standard Imperial belts are .080 (MXL), .200 (XL) and .375 (L). The standard metric belts are 3, 5 and 10 mm, but I used some pulleys that needed 2 mm belts, and didn't know until I found the belts walking the teeth of the pulleys. Those are about

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Bill
Sorry to come into the discussion so late. The metric belts seem to have round teeth while the imperial have trapezoidal. Can you check which they are. Bill -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Brian Morel
This struck my interest as I deal with a lot of timing belts at work. There are some rarer trapezoidal profile with 5mm pitch. I just looked at my little 7x lathe and it has the same belt ( 1.5x70 ). I'm not going to be using my lathe until the weather turns, so tomorrow night I'll pull the

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 20:46:27 Gene Heskett did opine: On Monday 10 March 2014 20:28:53 John Kasunich did opine: Gene: It seems like you're going about this the hard way. The first step is to identify the belt family. Look at the shape of the teeth on the belt. Are they round,

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 22:51:58 andy pugh did opine: On 11 March 2014 00:36, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: No mark of that sort POM in one of the casting webs is it. Looks like pretty fresh casting to me. In some sort of black ABS? It's POM :-)

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 22:55:43 John Kasunich did opine: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014, at 08:36 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Monday 10 March 2014 20:28:53 John Kasunich did opine: HTD: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.835 GT2: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.835 XL: PD = 1.910 OD = 1.890 T5: PD = 1.880 OD = 1.848

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 23:10:06 Bill did opine: Sorry to come into the discussion so late. The metric belts seem to have round teeth while the imperial have trapezoidal. Can you check which they are. Bill Definitely trapezoidal Bill, thanks. See my msg to JK, the darned thing has

[Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-09 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. I find that by the time I get the motor leveled and the belt running true, the far end of the motor with the flywheel is going to

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-09 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2014 10:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. Try to make sure the belt fits the pulley properly. The difference between metric

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-09 Thread Jon Elson
On 03/09/2014 10:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. Try to make sure the belt fits the pulley properly. The difference between metric

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 01:05:49 Jon Elson did opine: On 03/09/2014 10:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. Try to make sure the

Re: [Emc-users] Need longer belt

2014-03-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 10 March 2014 01:34:28 Jon Elson did opine: On 03/09/2014 10:20 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings; I have no clue why, but the replacement belt I got from LMS to replace the one I burnt some cogs out of, is now too short by at least 2, maybe 4 teeth. Try to make sure the