Tesla tries to get owners to give up `unlimited free Supercharging for life´
Fred Lambert | Apr 24 2023 - 12:25 am PT
"Tesla is trying again to get owners of older Model S and Model X with
unlimited free Supercharging for life to give up the perk ...
"Current Tesla Model S or Model X owners wi
Interesting article.
I have a Model S with unlimited supercharging and I have never heard of this
offer.
So, how exactly is Tesla trying to get us to give up free supercharging?
It appears that it is an incentive to try and sell new cars which don't have
free supercharging rather than a ploy to
In my PG&E service area, once you are over baseline consumption the
minimum charge is $0.35 per kWh. So for me that charge would be well
over a grand per year.
My 2013 S used to have unlimited free supercharging, but the previous
owner had a fender bender on the right rear quarter panel and as
resu
On 4/24/23 15:11, paul dove via EV wrote:
To be honest though, unless you drive a lot it doesn't save much to have free
supercharging.
I used 3561 Kwh in the last 12 months. I pay $0.11 a kwh at home and I believe
the same at a supercharger in my area.
So, roughly $400 a year. Even if you doub
Yes, that would be if you exclusively charged at superchargers.
I have never done that I would guess most people charge at home because of
convenience.
My supercharging is less that 20% of my charging.
I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value.
On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 03:45:3
Paul wrote: "I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value."
Not sure - it was listed on Craigslist (I always buy private) so
anyone was able to make an offer, mine was just the first to be
accepted, so I think it was market value.
But then - what is market value for a 2013 S85 w dual charg
I can probably restore supercharging on that Model S. It originally came
with unlimited supercharging, so that would be a great enhancement to its
value.
On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:57 PM Cor van de Water via EV
wrote:
> Paul wrote: "I suspect you got your vehicle way below market value."
> Not
The car controls the supercharger. When Tesla disables it on a car they
connect to your car over the cell network and remove the option for the
car's config that lives in the gateway. They obviously didn't have your
permission to do this, so they are technically breaking the law.
It would be fin
Interesting. I may hardly ever Super-charge, but I am working on a
prototype DC charger so this would be interesting for that purpose as
well, even though I am strongly considering to sell my S this summer
because the car is too large to fit comfortably in my garage and I
have no street parking, so
Sorry, poor choice of words. I meant it didn’t cost you 94k or even what they
go for used say in NADA. Most people wouldn’t tackle a project like this.
Tesla does go by vin numbers because how else would they know who to charge?
Still seems like you could use a CCS to Tesla adapter on a CCS char
Paul, I believe the CCS adapters only work on the last few model
years, not sure why but that is what I heard, about a year ago a
colleague got a CCS adapter for the Teslas at the office and it did
not work with my S but that was likely due to the disabled DC
charging, though we read that the adapt
In addition to what was covered in the article, the main thing that
Tesla is doing to incentivize me to get out of the 2015 Model S 70 I am
driving is to reduce the speed of the supercharging. It maxes out
around 70 and pretty quickly gets below 60, 50, 40. Road trips, even
when the charging i
On 5/16/23 10:32, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
In addition to what was covered in the article, the main thing that
Tesla is doing to incentivize me to get out of the 2015 Model S 70 I
am driving is to reduce the speed of the supercharging. It maxes out
around 70 and pretty quickly gets below 60
It looks like you have quite a bit of first-hand knowledge in this
area. What speeds do you get on your older free supercharging (the
older models that have the free supercharging for the life of the vehicle).
With respect to the $2k offer that you mention, that is interesting,
that they had
On 5/16/23 12:53, Josh Landess wrote:
It looks like you have quite a bit of first-hand knowledge in this
area. What speeds do you get on your older free supercharging (the
older models that have the free supercharging for the life of the
vehicle).
My 13S85 now does not charge above about 85k
Only by a select few and I don’t understand it either
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On Tuesday, May 16, 2023, 1:41 PM, Willie via EV wrote:
On 5/16/23 12:53, Josh Landess wrote:
> It looks like you have quite a bit of first-hand knowledge in this
> area. What speeds do you get on yo
On 5/16/2023 11:41 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
"...I don't think it is cost effective to replace a battery when it
starts losing significant range..."
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"I don't personally drive the 13S85 but feel like I could live with
reduced SuperCharging power rather than attempt to sue Tesla over the
To be clear, I love every Tesla I've owned, and I think overall Tesla is a
great company, but it's not without its problems:
The older S/X models don't have the charge port, wiring or contactors to
reliably support supercharging at over 400A, which in practice is about
150kW. Starting in softwar
Thanks Phil. I've been being very mature in my resolve to not throw
in on this off-kilter topic for fear of offending the poor,
downtrodden Tesla owners who are feeling persecuted here.
> modifying YOUR car without YOUR permission
Oh, but no, YOU may own the ~hardware~ but THEY own the softwar
On 17 May 2023 at 6:52, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
> > "...I don't know that you have noticed, but there is quite a bit of
> > Tesla negativism" here on EVDL. I fail to understand it. ..."
> >
I wouldn't say that there's "quite a bit of Tesla negativism" here. Maybe it
seems that way to the fo
Ahh, yeah.
Well I too don't like the "big brother" aspects of a connected vehicle, so
I have root level access and have denied Tesla almost all access to my
vehicle. They can't make any more changes, they can request logs, and my
car will not report and logging. I allow the mobile app API and so
So, what is your alternative. A leaf?
They were the only ones that made a usable vehicle.
Now if they had a bunch of competitors this would be reasonable criticism but
nobody else was doing anything.
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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 11:08 AM, (-Phil-) via EV w
I believe most of the Tesla fans actually own one and most of the skeptics
never have and probably never drove one.
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On Wednesday, May 17, 2023, 4:06 PM, EV List Lackey via EV
wrote:
On 17 May 2023 at 6:52, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
> > "...I don't know
HI -
I recently started using thunderbird for email and can't seem to
understand how to insert my comments inline with others' in a way that
is readily understood, but to address a few points from the below:
- Pros/cons of Tesla and separately its CEO are rich topics to me. Glad
to see that
On 17 May 2023 at 22:49, paul dove via EV wrote:
> So, what is your alternative. A leaf? They were the only ones that made
> a usable vehicle.
Why not a Leaf? Early ones had problems in hot climates, and I'm aware of
some warranty coverage gripes. Despite that, quite a few people, including
I have over 3000 salvage and unsupported Teslas connected to my server,
Most of them are older Model S. I very rarely see an owner need to replace
a battery pack. The worst of the repairs needed on older Model S is the
drive unit. There was a known engineering flaw on units made before about
201
On 5/18/23 11:41, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
On 17 May 2023 at 22:49, paul dove via EV wrote:
So, what is your alternative. A leaf? They were the only ones that made
a usable vehicle.
Why not a Leaf? Early ones had problems in hot climates, and I'm aware of
some warranty coverage gripes.
To contrast with Willie's oft reported and unfortunately terrible
experience with his early model, our 2013 SV LEAF has been a good
investment and overall reliable car. LEAFs had some upgrades that year
including a battery percentage display, charge connector lighting, heat
pump, and reported
On 5/17/23 18:49, paul dove via EV wrote:
So, what is your alternative. A leaf?
We've owned a 2015 leaf S (24kwh battery) since 2017 and it has been
rock solid.
We are currently also trying out a 2021 Leaf Plus (2nd gen -62 kwh
battery) and have been very pleased with it as well.
Jay
On 5/18/23 19:43, paul dove wrote:
So, according to google a leaf in 2015 was 33 to $36k.
> I paid $42k for my model 3 in 2018.
We paid $12k for our 2015 Leaf in 2017 by buying it used (off lease).
Jay
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So, according to google a leaf in 2015 was 33 to $36k.
I paid $42k for my model 3 in 2018.
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On Thursday, May 18, 2023, 2:23 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
On 5/17/23 18:49, paul dove via EV wrote:
> So, what is your alternative. A leaf?
We've owned a 201
for what it's worth:
I'm generally a used vehicle buyer, so I'm heavily influenced by what
came out 3-10 years ago.
I guess I fall somewhere in between Willie and yourself. I leased (the
first time in decades I have bought or leased a new car and gone through
that horrible depreciation expe
Phil, thanks for these points.
On the slow supercharging thing, I feel like I've put myself in Tesla's
hands, and if I go against them in any way, then I would be at risk of
losing the free supercharging, so I am just living with it.
With that said, I took some notes (pictures of my dashboard
In a statement, Tesla explains that it is a software limitation to optimize for
the best possible owner experience that’s within the limits of physics. Here’s
the statement in full:
“The peak charging rate possible in a li-ion cell will slightly decline after a
very large number of high-rate
Thanks, I guess it is somewhat useful to be reminded of this. In the
meantime:
- I spoke to a fellow Model S 70 driver at a supercharger this past
weekend who said that the 70s were well-known for particularly slow
charging, but that he was happy (I'm understating his wording) in that
his
On 22 May 2023 at 21:30, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
> Tesla had replaced it
> under warranty with a 90 (they don't make 70 any more) that they had
> locked to 70.
This is one of the things that infuriates me about Tesla. The idea of
making a capable product, then artificially and deliberate
Yes one that wouldn’t go as far or charge as fast as the Tesla he owns now.
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On Tuesday, May 23, 2023, 5:25 AM, EV List Lackey via EV
wrote:
On 22 May 2023 at 21:30, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
> Tesla had replaced it
> under warranty with a 90 (they don
On 5/22/23 23:30, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
Thanks, I guess it is somewhat useful to be reminded of this. In the
meantime:
- I spoke to a fellow Model S 70 driver at a supercharger this past
weekend who said that the 70s were well-known for particularly slow
charging, but that he was hap
Gary
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On 5/22/23 23:30, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
>
> Thanks, I guess it is somewha
On 5/23/2023 3:25 AM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote:
On 22 May 2023 at 21:30, Josh Landess via EV wrote:
Tesla had replaced it
under warranty with a 90 (they don't make 70 any more) that they had
locked to 70.
This is one of the things that infuriates me about Tesla. The idea of
making a capabl
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