On 26 Jun 2014, at 22:27, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
>>> We use the usual sense of self defined by the "yes doctor".
>> Nobody does that, even you don't do that to define yourself
except when you're arguing philosophy on the internet.
> ?
!
On 29 June 2014 05:47, LizR wrote:
> t's the "materialist hat" (I'm not sure which colour it is). Calling
> "bullshit!" on comp and similar ideas without stopping to understand them
> seems to stem from a religious belief in materialism (Bill Taylor on the
> FOAR forum is another example of this)
On 26 Jun 2014, at 03:55, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 03:49, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 May 2014, at 00:17, LizR wrote:
On 28 May 2014 19:46, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/28/2014 12:35 AM, LizR wrote:
On 28 May 2014 16:20, meekerdb wrote:
I think the more crucial step is arguing that computation
On 26 Jun 2014, at 03:58, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 03:06, John Clark wrote:
And that one guy is Mr. You. Yes, it's perfectly true that other
guys have seen different sequences and those other guys are not each
other, but they are all Mr. You because they all remember being the
Helsink
On 26 Jun 2014, at 05:44, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 15:32, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 7:03 PM, LizR wrote:
On 25 June 2014 16:52, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/24/2014 2:29 AM, LizR wrote:
On 24 June 2014 17:04, meekerdb wrote:
If primitive matter existed, and if it has a role for
consciousn
On 29 Jun 2014, at 04:26, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Jun 2014, at 4:13 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
As long as quasi-rationalists like you mock the theological field,
and prevent any seriousness there, it will remain in the province
of the bullshit vendors.
The trouble with "thinkers" like Cl
On 26 Jun 2014, at 05:51, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 15:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 8:38 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 15:25, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 6:47 PM, LizR wrote:
On 26 June 2014 09:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 6/25/2014 11:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Now I know Bruno will say
Oh… I realize who I am arguing with – a couch potato general who has never
tasted war, wishing war (for others to wage in distant lands). One question
Rambo, you had your chance, why didn’t you go yourself?
Chrissy, your tautings tend to resemble the last resort of the progressive. to
whic
Having a hissy-fit, or a Chrissy fit? War, is something to survive if one can,
to win, or avoid fighting in the first place. Now if you want to discuss and
sort through what policies work, and what policies do not, that is interesting.
The progressive side of things is all amygdala, and these po
Chickenhawk, a phrase created by US Left-turds, basically attempts to shame
their opposites into silence. But what if the opposition is like a progressive,
in which they have no shame? :-) Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, I have read
already (13 rules) and found his advice, quite good. I want
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Samiya Illias
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
> multiplecit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I respect a possible god's creation more than thinking it somebody's job
>> to convert people. This makes god's magnificence, as you
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Possibly the worst nuclear fission by product is Cessium-137 Fission
>
It's far from the worst but Cessium-137 is certainly dangerous and must be
dealt with carefully. Even a LFTR produces nu
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM, LizR wrote:
>> There is no way on earth that environmentalists are going to convince
>> the world powers to get rid of nuclear submarines, so it's a waste of time
>> to even mention them.
>>
>
> > Yes there is. Ignoring a problem doesn't magically make it nonexist
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> the H-guy cannot be sure about its future 1-view *from the unique 1-view
>
Unique? That implies that there is one and only one correct answer to the
question of what the Helsinki Man will see, so after the exparament is over
there should b
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> > agnosticism is of course the defining principle of the scientific
> method, so we really need the concept in order to understand the status of
> scientific theories.
>
I like what Isaac Asimov, a fellow who knew a thing or two about science,
had
On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> I care about the notion behind. Call it the "ONE"
>>>
>>
>> >> Let's call it the "BULLSHIT".
>>
>
>
> Why not. But it can be confusing.
>
I don't see how "THE BULLSHIT" is more confusing than "THE ONE".
> It looks like according to you
>
> > in effect the non-cloning theorem prevents saying "yes" to the doctor if
> you insist on there being no discontinuity in your consciousness.
>
Only if a change in your quantum state causes a discontinuity in your
consciousness, but your quantum state changes hundreds of thousands of
millions
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Chickenhawk, a phrase created by US Left-turds, basically attempts to shame
their opposites into
Le 29 juin 2014 18:33, "John Clark" a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> > the H-guy cannot be sure about its future 1-view *from the unique
1-view
>
>
> Unique? That implies that there is one and only one correct answer to the
question of what the Helsinki Ma
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On 30 June 2014 00:55, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Having a hissy-fit, or a Chrissy fit? War, is something to survive if one
> can, to win, or avoid fighting in the first place. Now if you want to
> discuss and sort through what policies work, and wh
On 30 June 2014 06:04, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
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> You are full of it if you suggest that because the head of the Taliban’s
> daughter was married off to Osama Bin Laden that this was a good cause for
> the US to invade Afghanistan.
>
>
> Je
PS I am all in favour of free speech but this thread is starting to look
like Fight Club. Maybe a few deep breaths, everyone?
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On 30 June 2014 06:04, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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You are
On 29 June 2014 20:04, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> With comp, what i showed is that we have indeed to extract the law of the
> qubits ("quantum logic") from the laws of the bits (the laws of Boole, +
> Boolos). IMO, Everett + decoherence already shows the road qubits to bits.
> But comp provides a dou
On 30 June 2014 07:12, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
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Liz – I understand your sentiment; however I am not going to let some
jingoistic clown, define anyone who does not share his sicko enthusiasm for
global war as being a traitor to his country and so I am calling the coward
out. Spudboy (whoever he is), is a person who has never been close to anyt
Agreed, but Mom, he started it! You like to dish it out, but, maybe, don't take
it very well. It's hard to say, and even harder to care. My jingoism is a good
thing, if its applied to national survival. For example, on energy, I am
jingoistic enough to favor the Keystone pipeline, shale fracking
Chris, you can relax, your stuff doesn't zing, so please continue. Chickhawk or
chicken fries, its the same. Chickfries, I am proud to say is an American
invention, right up there with the Apollo spacecraft. Keeping thinking about
what progressives want and keep thinking destablization. Then, th
Oh, absolutely true. But Lenin did as well, and no word about Stalin or Mao. My
sense of the temptation of The Crowd, seems nowadays, a proggie feature, to
feel the buzz, let me say of having a 'Black' president, versus, how's
unemployment doing? or What's the best way to afford a national heal
It could've been that kind of a thing, but my sense of it, was that it was a
political wedding. The behavior of the Taliban, in Afghanistan, and Pakistan,
before 9-11 was identical. Murderous. Chris indicated the two orgs have zero to
do with each other, which is crazy, because it was a marriag
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Chris, you can relax, your stuff doesn't zing, so please continue. Chickhawk or
chicken fries, it
I'm ok with whatever Chris does, its his manner of things. Moreover, First Rule
of Fight Club-There IS no Fight Club.
PS I am all in favour of free speech but this thread is starting to look like
Fight Club. Maybe a few deep breaths, everyone?
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> On 29 Jun 2014, at 7:19 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> I think it is more related with ego-psychological issue than with the matter
> subject.
>
> Bruno
>
Precisely. Which is why you will understand that to respond any further to the
belligerence of his posts is merely an invitation to do
>
> I support mil actions as long as its fought like total war. Think WW2.
> Note, that nuanced responses have done little since WW2, although the
> Korean War is the most solid, maybe? If its worth fighting, then its worth
> willing to the max.
>
Nuanced responses became quite popular after WW2 b
Why, I've never been so humiliated in all me born days! It's so
degrading that my nipples are hardening, under your ceaseless
castigation.You might be surprised, or not, concerning your Brown Shirt
comment, my gruppenfuher. If I recall my history of the late Weimar
Republic, the Strumabteilung,
Let's see. You are not Yank, but you demand that the Americans live up
to your standards, do I have this in focus? Secondly, you seem to
indicate in past posts, that you are not particularly against war, per
second, but specifically against ones we Yanks participate in. Please
feel free to cor
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Why, I've never been so humiliated in all me born days! It's so degrading
that my nipples are hardening, under your ceaseless castigation.You might be
surprised, or not, concerning your B
On 6/29/2014 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Note that it is an arithmetical fact that arithmetic emulates all simulations. Saying
that some of those are more real than other is a metaphysical assumption, and MGA shows
that it is a gap-of-the-god type of assumption.
But it is not a physical fa
Chris, so how will you be able to live with yourself, if, say, you
cannot budge me from my horrible views? Secondly, you are not a US
citizen, are you? How will you control America if you cannot even
control, influence, or browbeat me? Just curious.
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On 26 June 2014 12:03, LizR wrote:
> On 25 June 2014 16:52, meekerdb wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/2014 2:29 AM, LizR wrote:
>>
>> On 24 June 2014 17:04, meekerdb wrote:
>>
>>>
If primitive matter existed, and if it has a role for consciousness, or
for consciousness instantiation, step 8, and
On 6/29/2014 8:31 AM, John Clark wrote:
And a LFTR doesn't make Plutonium, present reactors do.
However, a LFTR does make U233, and more that it needs to keep functioning by about 8%.
Operating as designed this is contaminated with U232 which makes it unsuitable for a
bomb. But if the opera
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
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> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, is
> that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter measures end up quite
> badly. If one can achieve peace, justi
On 30 June 2014 08:56, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Oh, absolutely true. But Lenin did as well, and no word about Stalin or
> Mao. My sense of the temptation of The Crowd, seems nowadays, a proggie
> feature, to feel the buzz, let me say of having a '
On 30 June 2014 11:14, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, is
> that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter measures end up quite
> badly. If one can achieve peace, justice, and fr
On 30 June 2014 12:33, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care, is
>> that if one goes to war, half measures and quarter
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:53 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 30 June 2014 12:33, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 1:14 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List <
>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to agree with your sentiments, Telmo. My idea, should you care,
On 30 June 2014 03:36, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> >> There is no way on earth that environmentalists are going to convince
>>> the world powers to get rid of nuclear submarines, so it's a waste of time
>>> to even mention them.
>>>
>>
>> > Yes there is.
On 30 June 2014 06:55, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
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>
>
> Why has the nuclear sector stayed away from LFTR and favored the current
> type of reactor design?
>
>
> One word - bombs.
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On 30 June 2014 04:33, John Clark wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 3:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> > the H-guy cannot be sure about its future 1-view *from the unique
>> 1-view
>>
>
> Unique? That implies that there is one and only one correct answer to the
> question of what the Helsinki Man
On 30 June 2014 11:20, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 1:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> Note that it is an arithmetical fact that arithmetic emulates all
> simulations. Saying that some of those are more real than other is a
> metaphysical assumption, and MGA shows that it is a gap-of-the-god ty
On 30 June 2014 04:43, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>>
>> > agnosticism is of course the defining principle of the scientific
>> method, so we really need the concept in order to understand the status of
>> scientific theories.
>>
>
> I like what Isaac Asimo
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On 6/29/2014 10:41 AM, John Clark wrote:
Only if a change in your quantum state causes a discontinuity in your consciousness, but
your quantum state changes hundreds of thousands of millions of billions of trillions of
times a second. And by the way, what does a "discontinuity in your consciousn
On 30 June 2014 15:50, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 10:41 AM, John Clark wrote:
>
> Only if a change in your quantum state causes a discontinuity in your
> consciousness, but your quantum state changes hundreds of thousands of
> millions of billions of trillions of times a second. And by the w
On 6/29/2014 6:42 PM, LizR wrote:
On 30 June 2014 06:55, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Why has the nuclear sector stayed away from LFTR and favored the current
type of
reactor design?
One word - bombs.
Maybe indirectly. T
On 6/29/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
On 30 June 2014 04:43, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
> agnosticism is of course the defining principle of the scientific
method, so
we really nee
On 30 June 2014 17:02, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
>
> On 30 June 2014 04:43, John Clark wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > agnosticism is of course the defining principle of the scientific
>>> method, so we really need the concept
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/05/university-college-london-s-nietzsche-club-is-banned.html
This is sheer insanity, to quote that bloke from "Dad's Army". I can only
hope that the Neitzsche Club will not be killed off, but made stronger -
and if it *is* full of rabid ideogogues misr
On 6/29/2014 10:20 PM, LizR wrote:
On 30 June 2014 17:02, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
On 6/29/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
On 30 June 2014 04:43, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR mailto:lizj...@gmail.com>> wrot
Oops that should read "deficiency" of course :-)
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On 30 June 2014 17:41, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/29/2014 10:20 PM, LizR wrote:
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> On 30 June 2014 17:02, meekerdb wrote:
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>> On 6/29/2014 7:33 PM, LizR wrote:
>>
>> On 30 June 2014 04:43, John Clark wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 9:44 PM, LizR wrote:
>>>
> agnosticism is
Nothing like a good university stimulate intellectual debate - about who should be
prohibited from debating and what should not be mentioned.
Brent
On 6/29/2014 10:41 PM, LizR wrote:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/05/university-college-london-s-nietzsche-club-is-banned.html
T
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On 30 June 2014 17:41, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:
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