Re: bruno list

2011-08-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.08.2011 14:03 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On 28/08/2011, at 11:21 PM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... Cells are not just physical and chemical. They are biological too. That's what you're not seeing. There is a difference. There's nothing magic about it, it's

Re: bruno list

2011-08-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.08.2011 09:14 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: In my view, any experiment is based on some assumptions (a world view). To this end, it would be nice to understand what a world view would be necessary to state

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
%20Cognition%20.pdf It happened that they talk not about the Loeb theorem but rather about the biologist Jacques Loeb. Do you know why robotics people do not use the Löb theorem in practice? Evgenii On 20.08.2011 16:22 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Aug 2011, at 20:18, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote

Re: bruno list

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.08.2011 00:38 meekerdb said the following: On 8/19/2011 11:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: It seems that at present there is only one candidate for a zombie - Dennet, who defending his theory seems to refuse his own consciousness (I do not remember now where I have seen this nice statement

Dennett, zombie and zimbo

2011-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Trying to remember where I have seen the statement about Dennett, I have made search on Google. Two findings (both are not my source though): 1) Is Daniel Dennett a zombie? Discussion on ephilosopher.com where the question, I believe is close to the statement that I have seen. This is not

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.08.2011 16:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Aug 2011, at 20:07, meekerdb wrote: On 8/17/2011 10:36 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 16.08.2011 20:47 meekerdb said the following: On 8/16/2011 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Yes, this is why in my first post, I said consider

Re: bruno list

2011-08-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.08.2011 05:12 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I'm not saying we shouldn't do science, just that we can't be *sure* that something which behaves as if it's conscious is actually conscious. A thermostat may have

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.08.2011 20:47 meekerdb said the following: On 8/16/2011 11:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Yes, this is why in my first post, I said consider God's Turing machine (free from our limitations). Then it is obvious that with the appropriate tape, a physical system can be approximated to any

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.08.2011 02:01 Jason Resch said the following: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 15.08.2011 23:42 Jason Resch said the following: ... But all of this is an aside from point that I was making regarding the power and versatility of Turing

Re: bruno list

2011-08-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.08.2011 03:42 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:04 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: But the scientists could be studying zombies. There is no way of knowing. What we can know is that IF the original brain is conscious and is modified with a

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.08.2011 23:42 Jason Resch said the following: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 15.08.2011 07:56 Jason Resch said the following: ... Can we accurately simulate physical laws or can't we? Before you answer, take a few minutes to watch this

Re: bruno list

2011-08-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.08.2011 02:28 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:53 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 15.08.2011 19:18 Bruno Marchal said the following: Hi Evgenii, On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, Let me put it this way. I guess

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.08.2011 16:08 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If the brain does something not predictable by modelling its biochemistry that means it works by magic. Then you are saying that whether you accept what

Re: bruno list

2011-08-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.08.2011 16:18 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 15 Aug 2011, at 19:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.08.2011 19:18 Bruno Marchal said the following: Hi Evgenii, On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, Let me put it this way. I guess that a Lobian machine could

Re: bruno list

2011-08-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.08.2011 17:22 meekerdb said the following: On 8/15/2011 12:30 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 5:20 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: This example is not specific to brain replacement with artificial parts. It could be that a biological brain contains

Re: bruno list

2011-08-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.08.2011 19:18 Bruno Marchal said the following: Hi Evgenii, On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, Let me put it this way. I guess that a Lobian machine could be implemented, or it has been already implemented. So let us then take some Lobian machine and then you

Re: Turing Machines

2011-08-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.08.2011 07:56 Jason Resch said the following: ... Can we accurately simulate physical laws or can't we? Before you answer, take a few minutes to watch this amazing video, which simulates the distribution of mass throughout the universe on the largest scales:

Re: bruno list

2011-08-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.08.2011 02:00 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: How could the rest of your brain possibly respond differently if it receives exactly the same stimulation? Perhaps you mean that it would be able to tell that

Re: bruno list

2011-08-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
, to spread your knowledge it would be good to write a book. Evgenii On 14.08.2011 14:55 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 Aug 2011, at 16:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 13.08.2011 14:08 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote

Re: bruno list

2011-08-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
. Evgenii On 14.08.2011 19:08 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 14 Aug 2011, at 15:14, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Bruno, It well may be that you are right. The problem from my side is that my knowledge of mathematics is not enough to understand you. Mathematics is not well taught, and the case

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2011 22:05 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 12, 3:41 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: It would be interesting to see how do you know this. Some revelation or something else? I don't know it, I just think that it could be the case. If you can fully and finally

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2011 22:20 meekerdb said the following: On 8/12/2011 12:37 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.08.2011 20:40 meekerdb said the following: You robot do. It gets tagged with some notes, timestamped, and stuck in the database for further reference and adjustment of learning algorithms

Re: bruno list

2011-08-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
If your visual cortex is replaced by an electronic device that produces the appropriate outputs at its borders, the rest of your brain will respond normally. This is just an assumption. I guess that at present one cannot prove or disprove it. Let me quote an opposite assumption from Jeffrey

Re: bruno list

2011-08-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 13.08.2011 14:08 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: If your visual cortex is replaced by an electronic device that produces the appropriate outputs at its borders, the rest of your brain will respond normally. This

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.08.2011 22:46 meekerdb said the following: On 8/11/2011 1:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say now that consciousness is conscious perception. The main problem in my view though is who follows the narrative. Does your theory answer such a question? I'd say You do, there's

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2011 00:00 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 11, 4:04 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: I would say now that consciousness is conscious perception. The main problem in my view though is who follows the narrative. Does your theory answer such a question? Just as an

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2011 20:40 meekerdb said the following: On 8/12/2011 11:00 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2011 22:46 meekerdb said the following: On 8/11/2011 1:04 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say now that consciousness is conscious perception. The main problem in my view though

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2011 20:47 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 12, 2:00 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: This the point that I do not understand. The question is here more what exactly is the observer in my body. Presumably it is the brain. Then it first constructs the world that I

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.08.2011 09:25 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Stephen P. Kingstephe...@charter.net wrote: ... The specific question I'm asking is whether it is possible to separate consciousness from behaviour. Is it possible to make a brain component that

Re: Unconscious Components

2011-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.08.2011 21:25 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 11, 3:13 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: I think consciousness of perception is a narrative story the brain makes up for the purpose of memory and future cogitation. That's why we have few conscious memories prior to

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Craig, Now I agree that my example was not good. I have searched some more. What about phantom pain, that is, pain in a limb that has been removed by amputation? What your theory says about such a thing? Evgenii On 07.08.2011 22:28 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 07.08.2011 21:26

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.08.2011 00:03 meekerdb said the following: On 8/7/2011 11:07 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.08.2011 19:58 meekerdb said the following: On 8/6/2011 11:44 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Please note that according to experimental results (see the book mentioned in my previous message

Re: bruno list

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 01:24 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Let us forget for a moment machines and take for example some other biological creatures, for example even insects. How would you characterize the behaviour of

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 05:12 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 6, 9:35 pm, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2011 4:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The language doesn't matter. You can see that a person is in pain by their response to being burned, even if they have not developed

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 14:51 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 7, 2:44 am, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 07.08.2011 05:12 Craig Weinberg said the following: We can always infer qualia. It doesn't mean our inference is correct. In this case I'm pointing out that the inference

Re: bruno list

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 14:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Aug 2011, at 01:24, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:54 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Let us forget for a moment machines and take for example some other biological creatures, for example even

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 17:12 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 7, 10:31 am, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 07.08.2011 14:51 Craig Weinberg said the following: The pain comes to 'us' after the event. That's not to say that the cells of your burned finger are not in pain already.

Re: bruno list

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 19:23 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Aug 2011, at 17:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... The question here what it could mean, limited consciousness in the case of a spider. Why limited consciousness? For me the big departure is between RA consciousness and PA

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 19:58 meekerdb said the following: On 8/6/2011 11:44 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Please note that according to experimental results (see the book mentioned in my previous message), pain comes after the event. For example when you touch a hotplate, you take your hand back

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
there would be no pain. Evgenii On 07.08.2011 20:07 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 07.08.2011 19:58 meekerdb said the following: On 8/6/2011 11:44 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Please note that according to experimental results (see the book mentioned in my previous message), pain

Re: bruno list

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 20:54 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 07 Aug 2011, at 20:02, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... My question was more about what kind of consciousness experiences a spider has. Let us start with a vision. Does a spider experience a 3D world like we? (well even without colors, say

Re: Simulated Brains

2011-08-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.08.2011 21:26 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Aug 7, 11:47 am, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 07.08.2011 17:12 Craig Weinberg said the following: It seems that pain is some brain function, see for example

Re: bruno list

2011-08-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.08.2011 12:27 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... Consciousness isn't provided. It's not a service. It's like saying that mass is being provided to an object. My position is that consciousness

Re: bruno list

2011-08-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.08.2011 16:15 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: How do you define intelligent behaviour? For example in the book Dario Floreano and Claudio Mattiussi, Bio-Inspired Artificial Intelligence: Theories, Methods, and

Re: bruno list

2011-08-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.08.2011 20:10 meekerdb said the following: On 8/6/2011 3:48 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.08.2011 12:27 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Craig Weinbergwhatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... Consciousness isn't provided. It's not a service. It's

Re: bruno list

2011-07-31 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 31.07.2011 19:12 Stephen P. King said the following: On 7/31/2011 1:19 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: ... Your ice fire makes no heat, consumes no fuel. Not externally, but it would internally. I understand why that makes sense, but it's incorrect. Heat cannot be simulated and it cannot be

Re: bruno list

2011-07-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.07.2011 18:05 Craig Weinberg said the following: I was thinking about how a sperm resembles a brain and spinal cord but that the egg is more like a microcosm of a world. Conception plays out metaphorically as a miniature sensorimotive self entering a single life as a sphere which

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.07.2011 14:21 ronaldheld said the following: Bruno: I do not know LISP. Any UD code written in Fortran? Ronald Very good book to learn LISP is http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book.html Just click Next page, read and so on. By the way, List is much

DVD alloys help make computers that think like us

2011-07-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128205.200-dvd-alloys-help-make-computers-that-think-like-us.html A brain-like computer is one that can learn and adapt without external programming. Such an ability would allow machines to become far better at tasks like face and speech recognition.

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Bruno, Why don't you make a course for dummies about this? (For example in Second Life) Evgenii On 11.07.2011 16:01 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 11 Jul 2011, at 14:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.07.2011 17:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Jul 2011, at 15:20, Craig

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.07.2011 17:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 10 Jul 2011, at 15:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: ... Let's take the color yellow for example. If you build a brain out of ideal ping pong balls, or digital molecular emulations, does it perceive yellow from 580nm oscillations of

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
, see for example http://worldpeaceendowment.org/invincibility/invincibility8.html You may want to compare Schroedinger with him. Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:36 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 7/6/2011 12:22 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.07.2011 05

Re: Bruno's blasphemy.

2011-07-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.07.2011 05:14 Constantine Pseudonymous said the following: Bruno assumes that consciousness preceded matter then why do we only find consciousness as a terrestrial phenomena (suns and stars aren't conscious).. and as a later stage terrestrial phenomena for that matter i.e. water,

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.06.2011 22:33 meekerdb said the following: On 6/26/2011 12:58 PM, Rex Allen wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be ... The idea that our theories are approaching some metaphysical truth is essentially just the same as assuming there is some more

Re: thoughts ?

2011-06-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.06.2011 21:13 meekerdb said the following: On 6/20/2011 11:05 AM, selva wrote: it is proved in noetic science that our thoughts(only thoughts and not the actions due to those thoughts)affect our physical environment. Where are these proofs published? I was trying to understand what

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
includes the need to create a liar). It's all quite convoluted, but nevertheless sufficient to help an engineer like me make a design choice... which I have done. I hope over time these ideas will not grate on the mind quite so much. cheers colin Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Colin, Thanks

Re: COMP refutation paper - finally out

2011-06-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Colin, Thanks for the paper. I have just browsed it. Two small notes. I like [Turing et al., 2008]. It seems that he has passed his test successfully. I find term Natural Computation (NC) a bit confusing. I guess that I understand what you means but the term Computation sounds ambiguously,

Human Brain Project

2011-06-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
In Die Zeit there was a paper about a new project of Henry Markram The Human Brain Project http://www.humanbrainproject.eu/ He suggests to develop a full computer model of a human brain. The project is under the EU initiative FET Flagship Initiatives where the goal is to choose two project

Re: Quantum Superposition in Perl

2011-06-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Thanks for the link. I have enjoyed the talk. On 12.05.2011 22:20 thermo said the following: Hi, I recently read the Theory of Nothing book by Russell Standish. I wanted to share this talk I watched by Damian Conway... Damian Conway, Thoughtstream: Temporally Quaquaversal Virtual Nanomachine

Re: FREE WILL--is it really free?

2011-05-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Recently there was discussion on this list about this question Love and free will http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list/t/8ab31552cd18561c Some citations you will find in my blog http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/04/love-and-free-will.html You might be interested in Rex's Intelligence and

Re: FREE WILL--is it really free?

2011-05-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Could you please tell me if this paper will help me for example to earn more money? Or, according to this paper, does it make sense even try to earn more money? On 17.05.2011 08:15 scerir said the following: Are There Quantum Effects Coming from Outside Space-time? Nonlocality, free will and

Re: Quantum decoherence

2011-04-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have found the interview with Stuart Hameroff by googling http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2911199841702354668 Do you mean something like this? I am not sure that I find Hameroff's ideas impressive. I am personally closer to Mike's agnosticism: What the WORLD is, if it exists (what

Quantum decoherence

2011-04-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Recently I have seen interpretation of quantum mechanics in terms of quantum decoherence, for example Decoherence and the Transition from Quantum to Classical by Wojciech H. Zurek. What is an attitude in general to this? Is this good? Is there a good text for a layman about such an approach?

Re: Request: computation=thermodynamics paper(s)

2011-04-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.04.2011 21:44 meekerdb said the following: Entropy and information are related. In classical thermodynamics the relation is between what constraint you impose on the substance and dQ/T. You note that it is calculated assuming constant pressure - that is a constraint; another is assuming

Re: Request: computation=thermodynamics paper(s)

2011-04-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Colin, I used to work in chemical thermodynamics for awhile and I give you the answer from such a viewpoint. As this is the area that I know, then my message will be a bit long and I guess it differs from the viewpoint of people in information theory. CLASSICAL THERMODYNAMICS First entropy

Re: [OT] Love and free will

2011-04-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
wrote: On 14 Apr 2011, at 22:25, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there is a couple of paragraphs related to Goethe’s “Elective Affinities” that are 100% in agreement with Rex

[OT] Love and free will

2011-04-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
This week in Die Zeit there were two papers about love and fidelity. One more scientific, another more philosophic. In the latter there is a couple of paragraphs related to Goethe’s “Elective Affinities” that are 100% in agreement with Rex: Die Utopie der Liebe

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 20.03.2011 15:03 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 19.03.2011 20:16 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... As I have written, I rather follow my intuition rather than logic. So I cannot

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.03.2011 08:32 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 18 Mar 2011, at 21:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Not at all. I said exactly that. See the quote above. It is *because* they have the same right, that we have to listen to both copies, and can define the indeterminacy from what

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 19.03.2011 20:16 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2011, at 18:04, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At this point I am not sure that I agree with oneness of the mind. I have no certainty about this, *even* in the comp frame. The only quasi-certainty is that physics is a projection

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 17.03.2011 16:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 16.03.2011 17:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I do not follow the relationship between replication and the movie, sorry. OK

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 16.03.2011 17:14 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:59, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I do not follow the relationship between replication and the movie, sorry. OK. My naive viewpoint is that after duplicating there are two different first person views

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I do not follow the relationship between replication and the movie, sorry. My naive viewpoint is that after duplicating there are two different first person views that are not related to each other any more, well they have the same diary before duplicating but that's it. So if someone

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 13.03.2011 08:29 Jason Resch said the following: On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 6:07 AM, Stathis Papaioannoustath...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Andrew Soltauandrewsol...@gmail.com wrote: So, 'first person indeterminacy' simply means that I don't know what observation I will

Re: first person indeterminacy

2011-03-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wdDRnmgzqo In the movie it went quite well. (*) Which I have already illustrated with the experience where you Sorry, I was not able to follow your example. On 13.03.2011 16:00 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:24, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote

Re: Implementing Machines

2011-03-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 12.03.2011 04:43 Brent Meeker said the following: On 3/11/2011 7:24 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Andrew, The answer to the simple question that you see that all of this detail leads to is that at its core, Existence is Change itself. Becoming is the fundamental ontological primitive.,

Re: Implementing Machines

2011-03-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 12.03.2011 18:59 Brent Meeker said the following: On 3/12/2011 1:40 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 12.03.2011 04:43 Brent Meeker said the following: On 3/11/2011 7:24 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Andrew, The answer to the simple question that you see that all of this detail leads

Re: Molecular Motion and Heat, was ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
John, I am probably not that far from agnosticism but the question is how to make it useful for practitioners like me who have to earn money. I mean that it is still necessary to take decisions and then the question would be how. Although this could be just illusion somehow made by numbers

Re: Molecular Motion and Heat, was ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.03.2011 01:29 1Z said the following: On Mar 9, 7:22 pm, Evgenii Rudnyiuse...@rudnyi.ru wrote: When you compare heat and molecular motion, first it would be good to define what molecular motion is. At the beginning, the molecules and atoms were considered as hard spheres. At this

Re: Molecular Motion and Heat, was ON THE THEORY OF EVERYTHING was Another TOE short paper

2011-03-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
When you compare heat and molecular motion, first it would be good to define what molecular motion is. At the beginning, the molecules and atoms were considered as hard spheres. At this state, there was the problem as follows. We bring a glass of hot water in the room and leave it there.

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Hi Bruno, Thanks for answers. As usual, they are very enjoyable. From my side I can offer nothing more. I guess that at the moment my point of view is some eclectic mixture, basically I am just collecting different ideas and theories. I should say that some long time ago I used to have

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I understand how the hypothetico-deductive way is working and I am amazed by expressions in mathematical logic. Yet, sometimes it is not bad to start from the end, this might also help. Say I do not understand how many first persons views are allowed in your theory and if this number is more

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-03-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
it looks like in French). Best wishes, Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru on 23.02.2011 19:06 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 22 Feb 2011, at 19:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Thank you for your answers. I have still a coupled of questions. But with computer science, intuition can be misleading

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
has appeared a record about the birth of my daughter? You see, my goal is just to translate some typical statements of my first person view to your language. On 22.02.2011 10:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:16, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Thank you for your answer. I am

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
person view if we compare my current first person view with that before conceiving the daughter? Thank you, Evgenii On 20.02.2011 22:16 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 20 Feb 2011, at 19:46, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Dear Bruno, Embryogenesis concerns a multicellular organism

Re: How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
by sperm from my father. Then the question is how my first person view has been developed and what happens with it after my death? Best wishes, Evgenii on 20.02.2011 18:21 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:14, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A bit off topic question. How

How embryogenesis fits in the mind-body problem?

2011-02-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A bit off topic question. How embryogenesis fits comp, digital physics, ALG, and other diverse points of view expressed here? What mind-body research says about the development of mind from a single cell and then its death? Evgenii P.S. By the way, in Second Life there is course where Prof

OT: A single man and the universe

2011-02-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I am on travel this weak. While reading and enjoying the current discussion in hotel, I have mentioned a book on the table. It happened to be Ellen Schreiber, Kosmische Weisheiten (Cosmic Wisdom) I have randomly opened the book and I have landed by Ein einziger Mensch (A single man) The

Re: Are our brains in that VAT? Yep.

2011-02-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 05.02.2011 02:27 Colin Hales said the following: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: ... I understand that this is your position but I would like you to consider a poor, dumb engineer who neither knows nor cares

Re: Maudlin How many times does COMP have to be false before its false?

2011-02-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.02.2011 11:00 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Brent Meekermeeke...@dslextreme.com wrote: I think it very likely that the brain can be so modeled. But the meaning that simulated brain, as expressed in it's output decisions relative to inputs is

Re: comp and Maxwell demon

2011-01-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 17.01.2011 14:00 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 16 Jan 2011, at 22:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Have you meant that the Universal Dovetailer will act for such a situation according to Poincaré recurrence? The UD will do that an infinity of times, given that the Poincaré

Re: comp and Maxwell demon

2011-01-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
-perturbation (or to convince others to do the work, or that such a work has to be done to get both the qualia and the quanta). Interesting but hard question. Bruno On 15 Jan 2011, at 18:22, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I am trying to understand what the hypothesis comp is about. It would be interesting

comp and Maxwell demon

2011-01-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I am trying to understand what the hypothesis comp is about. It would be interesting to understand whether the Maxwell demon could be simulated or not. Any idea? Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group,

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
say that I enjoy reading discussions on this list. Thanks to everybody. Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru on 06.01.2011 12:43 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 05 Jan 2011, at 20:02, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 04.01.2011 11:43 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 03 Jan 2011, at 19:33

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 04.01.2011 11:43 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 03 Jan 2011, at 19:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Do you mean that some time ago the times were less obscurantist? If yes, could you please tell me when? From -500 to +500. Roughly speaking. From Pythagorus to the closure of Plato

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 03.01.2011 10:26 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 02 Jan 2011, at 17:58, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 17:29 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 02 Jan 2011, at 13:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Remember that with comp, we can never know that we are awake. But we can

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn...@gmail.com wrote: We're talking about a mathematical theory about E. What relevance does this comment have? I would say that a model and reality are different things. Do you mean that they

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
? Evgenii http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2010/08/computable-universes.html on 02.01.2011 10:31 Brian Tenneson said the following: In the case of a TOE, the model IS reality. Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 08:47 silky said the following: On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Brian Tennesontenn

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Some time ago, I have read David Chalmers, The Matrix as Metaphysics http://consc.net/papers/matrix.pdf Let me make one citation Importantly, nothing about this Metaphysical Hypothesis is skeptical

Re: Remarks on the form of a TOE

2011-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
on 02.01.2011 12:54 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: on 02.01.2011 12:07 Brian Tenneson said the following: Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Thank you for your answers. We could say that the Universe is made of superstrings or we could say that the Universe is made

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