Hi Bruno,
All of Lou's ideas have a common thread, but I wonder which one's you
have in mind.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> Is there any reason why the UD string is *
Hi,
Is there any reason why the UD string is *not* a 1d topological object? If
it is a 1d topological string, can it be knotted? If it can be knotted, can
the reflexivity ideas of Lou Kauffman be applied? For
example: https://youtu.be/f_8eCnaxPzc?t=35m32s
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ideas to each other or to read their papers for ourselves.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 16 Sep 2016, at 03:27, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>
> The idea is to think o
On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 16 Sep 2016, at 01:29, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Brent Meeker
> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> On 9/15/2016 11:03 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
>>
>> I
That's a good example, actually!
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:17 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
> Can you give an example? What I'm led to think of is something like:
> % Add two and two
> print "4"
> halt
>
> Brent
>
>
>
> On 9/15/2016 6:27 PM,
The idea is to think of computations as discrete, they do one thing:
process one algorithm and halt. Obviously I am not talking about Turing
machines...
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
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> On 9/15/2016 4:29 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>
> On Thu,
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
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>
> On 9/15/2016 11:03 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> I get that and buy it too, Brent. Platonia is the "flat" Complete version,
> I am looking for the infinite tower of incomplete yet consistent theories
>
e TauChain.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Brent Meeker wrote:
> According to Bruno it's in Platonia. It's timeless and doesn't "go", it
> just IS, like 2+2 IS 4.
>
> Brent
>
> On 9/15/2016 10:13 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> OK, but where is th
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>> Hi Stathis,
>>
>>I really like this explanation of supervenience. I only worry that we
>> need a lot more detail, of how
execution of the UD), but there is no inherent relative
> order of the threads.
>
> Brent
>
> On 9/15/2016 9:15 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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> There is "time is a measure of change" concept, which lines up with what
> you're saying: "... 'time' i
Could it be that the concrete is the subjective reflection of the abstract?
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Not to rehash an old chestnut, but can a bit dance on an infinitesimal?
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> On Sunday, 11 September 2016, Brent Meeker wrote:
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>> In the UD model of the world, time as we perceive it, is emergent. The
>> "execution" of the program is ti
Hi,
Is there any consideration of the duration of the period of time of the
moment? Are they assumed to have vanishingly small durations?
On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 7:44:16 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
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> On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Charles Goodwin > wrote:
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n AFAIK
>
> 2014-11-09 2:25 GMT+01:00 Stephen Paul King :
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>> Hi Alberto,
>>
>>Is there really a global thermodynamic arrow of time? We can only
>> infer its existence based on theoretical organizations of data that we
>> collect. AFAIK, all "arr
Hi LizR,
Interesting!
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> On 9 November 2014 14:25, Stephen Paul King wrote:
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>> Hi Alberto,
>>
>>Is there really a global thermodynamic arrow of time? We can only
>> infer its existence based on theoretical
dict
> the first assumption!!!
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> 2014-10-15 2:14 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King >:
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>> Hi,
>>
>>I re-read S. Mitra's paper <http://arxiv.org/pdf/0902.3825v2.pdf>
>> again and it made more sense than before if I assumed that the reversible
>
ry would simply
> deliver. Something mind boggling before, like emergence, suddenly
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view and tracing out all distinctions of
computations (modulo complexity class) and hardware (modulo resource
availability), otherwise I thing we agree.
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Hi Telmo,
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>>You wrote: "If I understand the ideas in Mitra's paper correc
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of adjoint categories <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functor_category>.
I can't find a good mathematical description of the concept yet...
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that would modulate decoherence. This "decoherence" thing, IMHO, needs to
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In deference to Bruno, I should ask a question relevant to the ongoing
discussions. Is a finite universe with locally reversible time consistent
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Hi Brent,
I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists
something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are
some kind of "divine intervention" that saved my life. Could there be an
explanation that is completely secular? I am open to such, but
look right...
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:22 PM, LizR wrote:
> Does this mean evolution is intelligent but (probably) not conscious?
>
>
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>> Dear Bruno,
>>
>>I agree, this introduces the possibil
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>Have you seen any studies of the "Ameoba dubia
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e the results, even in principle.
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you
>> explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of
>
le.
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>>Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you
>> explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of
>> black holes?
>>
>&g
gt;
>
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>>Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you
>> explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of
>> black holes?
>>
>>
&g
Hi,
Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain
it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black
holes?
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Very Nice Telmo!
We need to talk! I am working with Marius Muliga and Lou Kauffman and
others on a form of 'software computer" that might run on top of your
networks! See: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.4333
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>> Hi Terren,
>>
>> Ah, nice link. Thank you. Does the assumption of a finite and fixed set
>> of resource
AM, Terren Suydam
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> http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer
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>> AFAIK, if the AGI and humanity are not competing for the same resources,
>> no confli
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>> AFAIK, if the AGI and humanity are not competing for the same resources,
>> no conflict need arise...
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ntionally created by other 'intelligence'. It reminds me of the debates
in the 19th century about the origin of life.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 7:10 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 16:42, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> Nah, I get what you mean. Connecting an AGI to
Nah, I get what you mean. Connecting an AGI to a body is one way of
teaching it to recognize us, but do we really want to do that?
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:18 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 16:08, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> We are freaking AGI ourselves, operatin
We learn of each other by interacting this becomes communication once
languages emerge...
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:16 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 15:18, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
>
>> Sure, that would set up synchronization of sensory data input streams,
>
I agree, but I strongly suspect that one does not "program" an AGI, we
would "grow" it and "teach" it
On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:15 AM, LizR wrote:
> On 5 September 2014 15:13, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> But you seem to assume that it h
o reason to
> believe for instance that we couldn't carry on a conversation with an AI of
> sufficient cognitive ability (and the motivation to do so).
>
> Terren
>
>
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it interacts with every
> day. In this particular scenario, it seems very unlikely it wouldn't be
> aware that other people existed.
>
> (Excuse me, I have to go AFK for a bit. I need to recharge my batteries...)
>
>
>
> On 5 September 2014 13:08, LizR wrote:
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>
et the machines to interpret the data patterns in ways
consistent with how we do.
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>> Hi LizR,
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>>I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the
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I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the AGI will be
aware that we exist?
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>>OTOH, one can control the available re
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Hi,
I am looking for any papers on the effects of allowing neural networks
to couple to each other
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>> Are the resources available to the OverLords that would allow th
Are the resources available to the OverLords that would allow the sharing
to be "cost-free" then it would make no difference, otherwise
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> On 4 September 2014 14:31, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> But something is amiss
But something is amiss! Why would the OverLords wish to share their largess
with us?
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> wrote:
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>> OTOH, becoming capable of exploiting computational resources that are
>> "fr
Right! Damping down random fluctuations in one's computer is an
optimization move.
Oh!, your thinking in more "Borg" terms, re: absorption
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>> OTOH,
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>> Zerg <http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Overmind>! ?
>>
>> Well, quite. I believe the name comes from "Childhood's End" although
> obviously Olaf Staple
appen. It always
goes the opposite direction: minds tend to diverge and become diverse and
not merge to an infinite limit.
Merging actually destroys information. Witness the Black Hole.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:53 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 4 September 2014 13:48, Stephen Paul Ki
Zerg <http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Overmind>! ?
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> On 4 September 2014 13:45, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
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>> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
>>
>> Only if you aren't absorbed. Otherwise
Umm, explain: "Absorbed". I'm not groking it...
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> On 4 September 2014 13:45, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
>
>> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
>>
>> Only if you aren't absorbed. Otherwise
Humans interacting with each other form very nice (in terms of
expressiveness <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressive_power>) adaptive
networks.
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> Umm, not really. It is "exploitation&q
Umm, not really. It is "exploitation".
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:43 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 4 September 2014 13:38, Stephen Paul King
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>>"why would have want the Zookeepers intelligence from the Earthlings?
>> "
t of some kind? Or a
> 'mental nightpot'? as long as we supply, we last. Then we are out.
> (A similarly unfounded fantasy - just as the so called 'scientific' ones).
> John M
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Stephen Paul King <
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Hi Chris,
Could you send me your thoughts about dependency injection to my gmail
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>
>Could we discuss this further
Modulo decryption
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:59 PM, LizR wrote:
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>> Hi LizR,
>>
>> Sequentiable means that the correct sequence of operations occurs.
>> Information is sensitive to orderings a
tion" behaviors associated -
See Dawkin's The extended Phenotype
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Extended_Phenotype> - Humans are quite
capable of becoming members of a sufficiently expressive language as
silicon hardware...
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 11:57 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 3 Septe
Hi LizR,
Sequentiable means that the correct sequence of operations occurs.
Information is sensitive to orderings after all. 101001010010 is not the
same number as 00100110001
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> On 3 September 2014 15:09, Stephen Paul King
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&
that distributed computation is an AGI, we would never know it is there and
neither would it know we are here.
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>> Hi LizR,
>>
>> But here is the thing: the
e required to exist
and to be sequentiable properly.
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>>My point about Aliens being AGI is simple. A sufficiently advanced
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to be "sane"? What is sanity anyway?
Another question is: Would AI have a view of the universe that can be
matched up with ours? If not, how would we expect it to "see the world"
that it interacts with? Our worlds and that of AI may be disjoint!
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Are our fears of AI running amuck and killing random persons based on
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Hi Russell,
Ah! I don't quite grok it completely, but thank you for this example. We
had to assume an already existing measure on the Reals. Where does that
come from?
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Hi Russell,
I don't get it. How does the constraint of a finite sample overcome the
inherent zero measure?
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t; whole freaking chromosome is a shame. It's just a case of he's really busy
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Hi,
This phrase in the article makes me doubt that the writer thereof did his
homework:
"for some unknown reason the flashes synchronize over time.”" The
synchronization of weakly coupled oscillators is a well known phenomena! It
should be pointed out that in the human brain, global synchroni
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ng very painful that demand a lot of concentrated power
>> in a central elite.
>>
>
> We can agree on this one.
>
>
>>
>>
>> In the same way that 80 years of mass killings demonstrated that an
>> economy can not be centrally planified, we are gonna suff
an fight alone and will win inevitably against the ones that
> deny it.
>
> The problem is the price to pay in the process
>
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> 2014-04-10 18:38 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King :
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> Alberto,
>>
>> Don't feed the trolls...
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>>
>> On Thu, Apr
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