On 18 Jan 2013, at 23:37, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/18/2013 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have
replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and
On 1/20/2013 5:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Jan 2013, at 23:37, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/18/2013 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen
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Time: 2013-01-17, 15:39:54
Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
Alberto,
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM
Stephen,
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote:
On 1/18/2013 12:48 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona
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Time: 2013-01-17, 15:39:54
Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
Alberto,
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This is in fact the return to primitive cults to the mother earth, the
feeder
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have
replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from
lies and greed. The possible global warming might just be another
On 1/17/2013 11:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/18/2013 12:48 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/18/2013 8:35 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Everything I've said here can be verified by gardening or taking care
of a couple of plants, animals, human beings for extended periods of
time.
Hi,
I am not OK with the premise of this sentence or the direction. I
want to know, in
On 1/18/2013 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have replaced Hemp (for
textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from lies and greed. The
On 1/18/2013 1:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Jan 2013, at 19:14, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have
replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from
lies and greed. The
On 1/18/2013 4:59 PM, meekerdb wrote:
I see no references to how, except to note that exponential growth
can't continue indefinitely and projected populations of 9 billion are
probably impossible and absent some other restraint will result in a
lot of people starving. The recommendation seems
On 1/18/2013 3:32 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/18/2013 4:59 PM, meekerdb wrote:
I see no references to how, except to note that exponential growth can't continue
indefinitely and projected populations of 9 billion are probably impossible and absent
some other restraint will result in a lot
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful
scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When
the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it becomes almost
impossible. Anyone that has ever done experimental research knows how easy
it is to lie
On 17 Jan 2013, at 01:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2013 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/16/2013 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to
obfuscate the problem of global warming.
And
On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:02, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse.
Me too.
Producing useful scientific theories about complex systems is
already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily politicised by
both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone
is a long time, especially near the end. - Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful
I hope you're enjoying your check from Exxon/Mobil.
Brent
On 1/17/2013 2:57 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Count me as an heretic denialist of the ecological Apocalipsis. The Michael Mann hockey
stick is a fraud as you can verify in the mails leaked in the Climate Research Unit. You
must read
On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have
replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from lies
and greed. The possible global warming might just be another
consequences on the lies on cannabis, drugs etc. Hemp
2013/1/17 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
I hope you're enjoying your check from Exxon/Mobil.
I don`t find irony in your words, given the context of your previous
answers.
I can´t believe that you are no naive as to assume that warmism scepticism
is a conspiracy.
My worst suppositions about
On 1/17/2013 4:02 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful scientific theories
about complex systems is already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily
politicised by both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone that has ever done
the end. - Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful
scientific theories about complex
On 1/17/2013 1:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The idea of the end of resources comes from Malthus, but it can be
traced much back in time, to some misconceptions of what is a resource
from our evolutionary past. It is though naturally that a resource is
something produced by the heart, which
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/17/2013 4:02 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful
scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When
the issue is so heavily politicised
On 1/17/2013 4:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global
warming. Not me.
But it is not. It is water vapor by orders of magnitude. And the
water vapor concentration, and the clouds depends on cosmic rays, and
cosmic rays depend on solar
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global
warming. Not me.
Ok. So Greenhouse effect is alarmist
On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com
mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global warming.
Not me.
On 1/18/2013 12:48 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona
agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
You have to prove that the CO2 is the main
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:14 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/15/2013 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 00:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying
I have to say that in the countries where lobbies are not permitted, they
are stronger and operate without the voter knowledge, so they have much
more freedom for corruption.
Prohibition by law is not a magic way to make things dissapear.
Unless omniscient, incapable of doing evil inspectors
On 15 Jan 2013, at 17:18, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 00:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's just another name for petitioning
On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to obfuscate
the
problem of global warming.
And meanwhile we disregard other options out of ideology, namely
geo-engineering.
They are disregarded not out of ideology; they
Oh, two planet-saviors.
I´m more simpatetic to the make French chess legal in america movement.
Waiting for the next paranoia
2013/1/16 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
e is great uncertainty about the problem. Of course they are not going to
do anything about a problem they are
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On 1/16/2013 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to
obfuscate the problem of global warming.
And meanwhile we disregard other options out of ideology, namely
geo-engineering.
They are
On 1/16/2013 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/16/2013 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to obfuscate
the
problem of global warming.
And meanwhile we disregard other options out of
On 15 Jan 2013, at 00:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's just another name for petitioning your government.
Lobbyists provide a lot research and expertise to the
legislative process,
Biased by personal
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 00:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's just another name for petitioning your government. Lobbyists
provide a lot research and
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:38 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's just another name for petitioning your government. Lobbyists
provide a lot research and expertise to the legislative process, so I
Brent:
in my (learned) English I equate lobbying with bribing - it is by no
means a 'petitioning'. You can step up the law enforcement against
lawmakers etc. being BRIBED easily.
Unless, of course, if the enforcers get 'lobbied'G.
I always wonder, if someone has b$3-4 assets and m$5-10 in yearly
On 1/15/2013 8:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 15 Jan 2013, at 00:38, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's
On 1/15/2013 1:28 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Brent:
in my (learned) English I equate lobbying with bribing - it is by no means a
'petitioning'.
Sure it is. I have a lawyer friend who works in Washington as a lobbyist for small
communication companies (telephone, TV cable,...). He reads proposed
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Hi Roger
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I always let
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Subject: Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
Hi Roger
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I always let the market decide.
Please. It's
Instead of complaining now or watching what the market does, by not really
watching it á la Roger, better include the future when considering past and
present: I bet that Spain, with its sunshine monopoly and mix of renewable
energy and infrastructure investment of the last years, will be
: The unpredictability of solar energy
Hi Roger
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I always let the market decide.
Please. It's peoples' behavior that determines market. And it has
decided: you can steal from the coming generations by allowing energy
: The unpredictability of solar energy
Hi Roger,
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The unpredictability of solar energy
?
I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical
of numerous other graphs of the daily variation in solar energy on the
internet
. And that it's not an either-or choice. And that the
Sun shines all the time, just not on your spot? And that energy can be
stored? I assume you're switching to nuclear.
Brent
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On 1/14/2013 10:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Lobbying should be forbidden.
But it's just another name for petitioning your government. Lobbyists provide a lot
research and expertise to the legislative process, so I don't think it is workable to just
forbid them.
Brent
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Subject: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy
Hi Roger,
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The unpredictability of solar energy
?
I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical
of numerous other graphs
: The unpredictability of solar energy
Hi Roger,
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The unpredictability of solar energy
?
I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical
of numerous other graphs of the daily variation in solar energy on the
internet
On 1/13/2013 2:48 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/12/2013 6:58 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 1/12/2013 7:19 PM, meekerdb wrote:
??? Who asked you to? I guess you're unaware that hydroelectric
generators depend on solar energy? And that the energy in coal and
oil came from the Sun. And that it's
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On 1/12/2013 2:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
The unpredictability of solar energy
I've lost the page ref for the graph below, but it's typical
of numerous other graphs of the daily variation in solar energy on the internet.
(For a comparison see solar
? And that
energy can be stored? I assume you're switching to nuclear.
Brent
Hi,
Fission of Uranium or thorium, it came from stars as well. :-) Goof
points, Brent. The one hard nut is fusion...
On 1/12/2013 2:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
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