Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

on 02.7.11 10:25 AM, David H. Bailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And this is being touted as "better" than the way Finale does it? To > get back to regular trumpet you can't type-into-score senza sordino? > You have to type "arco trumpet" and then remember to hide it before > printing? > > Th

Re: [Finale] midi dynamics

That varies by playback device -- through my SoundBlaster Live! 64 is fairly quiet, so I keep my Forte set at 110, FF set at 120 and FFF set at 128. MF is 100, MP is 90, P is 85, PP is 75 and PPP is 65. Of course I need to adjust the output volume when I play these files through different de

Re: [Finale] metatool functioning [was fin vs sib scrapathon]

At 1:25 AM +0200 7/11/02, shirling & neueweise wrote: >From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>In any event, quadrupling the number of metatool keys isn't exactly >>user- friendly, since how in the world could one keep track of so >>many different shortcuts? > >memory... and little pieces

[Finale] metatool functioning [was fin vs sib scrapathon]

From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >In any event, quadrupling the number of metatool keys isn't exactly user- friendly, >since how in the world could one keep track of so many different shortcuts? memory... and little pieces of paper taped to the monitor frame. on the subject of metat

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

All, Thanks to everyone for a *very* illuminating discussion on how Midi is used within scoring. I learned a great deal about different styles. Being an old event list guy, I find everything else ambiguous or hard to remember. But it's refreshing to learn how many different techniques have develo

[Finale] midi dynamics

Does there exist a set of typical values at which to set the scaling for the range of dynamics (eg piano = 25; forte = 65 etc etc.)? Thanks, All the best, Lawrence http://lawrenceyates.co.uk

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

Richard Walker wrote: "The neat thing about this is that it is all editable by the user. To behonest, it's not a pretty job, but it is doable. What I did was to load adefault set of about 75 patches into my GigaStudio rig, saving them as aperformance file for future use. (Yes, it takes a while

Re: [Finale] Jazz articulations

At 5:56 PM -0400 7/10/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >At 2:38 PM -0700 7/10/02, Chuck Israels wrote: >>At 3:13 PM -0400 7/10/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >>>I wish I had Articulation number 63, but rotated 90 degrees >>>counterclockwise, for a short jazz fall. The others are too long, >>>or

Re: [Finale] Jazz articulations

At 2:38 PM -0700 7/10/02, Chuck Israels wrote: >At 3:13 PM -0400 7/10/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >>I wish I had Articulation number 63, but rotated 90 degrees >>counterclockwise, for a short jazz fall. The others are too long, >>or are wavy, or are the wrong shape, like those ones that look

[Finale] Re: Copy protection [was: The "S" word again]

Or the populace will cheerily modify the machines to play all regions anyway, as the helpful gentleman in Singapore did for me when I bought my DVD deck. Just a couple of flicks with the serviceman's remote control was all it took to be region free. Didn't even need to tip him. Region coding is a

Re: [Finale] Jazz articulations

At 3:13 PM -0400 7/10/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >I wish I had Articulation number 63, but rotated 90 degrees >counterclockwise, for a short jazz fall. The others are too long, or >are wavy, or are the wrong shape, like those ones that look like >eighth note flags. > >Christopher (smith, n

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

Here's how Sibelius does the patch-switching trick. Each playback device has its own "soundset" within Sibelius. This is just a text document that lists every patch on the instrument with all of the bank/patch numbers to locate it in the device. Following the patch list are "groups" that list wh

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

At 07:56 PM 7/10/02 +0200, Peter Castine wrote: >To those wishing to cite Coda as a counter-example: for years Finale had >a very effective copy-protection in the form of its manual. Not >unbreakable, but inconvenient for pirates while convenient and even >helpful for license-holders. The CD fo

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

Hi Peter et al- Peter wrote: First off: the D minor section should be in written F-minor with your A clarinets, methinks. The change to parallel major should be F-major in the clarinet parts, with three flats naturalized at the bar line (and the non-transposing instruments will have one flat natu

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

>If you want a closer analogy, it's as if they hold >the keys to my house, and every time I add a room or rebuild the bedroom or >even replace the water pump -- having done that a few days ago, I'm a bit >touchy about it :) -- I have to call up the original contrator to get new >keys to my house,

Re: [Finale] Spacing probs

OK, this makes sense why an older version looks better in FIN2000.  I just decided to re-write the entire passage to make it work for Finale.  Ain't technology wonderful? Sigh. Brian In a message dated 7/10/02 1:10:36 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj:Re: [Finale] Spacin

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

At 11:53 AM -0400 7/10/02, Tim Thompson wrote: >On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: >>However, a much more serious point here IMO is to use MIDI playback as >>the main "tool" for composition to live musicians. Many books of old >>masters tell you to learn to "hear" t

Re: [Finale] Jazz articulations

I wish I had Articulation number 63, but rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise, for a short jazz fall. The others are too long, or are wavy, or are the wrong shape, like those ones that look like eighth note flags. Christopher (smith, not zello) At 11:25 AM -0500 7/10/02, Joel Sears wrote: >Hi

Fwd: [Finale] The "S" word again

You have mistaken my tone, David: I agree with you!! This number ballet is fraught with dangers. (And no, I don't believe you can still use a floppy to do this) Alan Smith On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 11:29 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > Okay, so the exact mechanism isn't a floppy all the

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

>Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 08:31:11 -0400 >From: Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > When passenger screening >was first instituted at airports, back in the '70s, I swore I'd never >fly again. Even wrote my congressman. Guess how many months that >res

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

I believe he is using Fin97, before staff styles, which is why I suggested the graphic. I hadn't thought of just changing the key to F major for the whole work -- too much summer fun, I guess! Robert Patterson wrote: > On Wed, 10 July 2002, "Howard Rigby" wrote > > >>I'll try this if it m

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

>From: "Howard Rigby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 21:18:46 -0400 > >Music I'm working on has key sig of d minor. Clarinets are in A, and I've >set this staff to independent key sig so only the one flat shows (as the >source does). Playback transposition is fine. When all other stave

[Finale] Re: The "S" word again

>Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 20:41:37 -0700 >From: Horace Brock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There probably wouldn't be any need fotr >college courses in using Sibelius. Whether needed or not: there are plenty of universities and colleges that list Sibelius as the notation software taught. M

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

> What is not addressed in the statements from the Sibelius users is what > happens to the arco and pizz patch changes if I choose to use a non-GM > midi module, or if the arco and pizz patches I prefer are in higher > banks than the basic 128 patches of the GM standard? > > > Would I be able to

Re: [Finale] Jazz articulations

Hi Chris, I think I'm looking at a default set up. My favorite scoops, in the Jazz Font, are in the Articulation selection boxes, 63, 64 and 68, your numbers may vary. There are thicker one nearby. Good luck, Joel At 09:32 AM 7/10/02, Christopher Zello wrote: >Where can I find a means of no

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

> Tell me that an auto-interpreted crescendo will be harder to use than the > continuous data editing in the MIDI tool, and I'll laugh very loud. Only if you promise to record your loud laughter as an MP3 and send it to us. :-) Colin. ---

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

" If I want to make a string run sound realistic by extending the note durations of each note, the closest I can come quickly is to put a slur over the music. Of course, I can't have separate playback definitions for my slurs, so if I do this, ALL of my slurs will make notes playback at 120% durat

[Finale] Dangers of composing with digital tools

Dear Aaron, Thank you for clarifying an important problem. I once taught a Music and Technology course which introduced Finale to low level music students. It took me a while, but I realized the students, because they had computers in their homes, were facile with learning aspects of the program

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 08:30 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > However, a much more serious point here IMO is to use MIDI playback as > the main "tool" for composition to live musicians. Many books of old > masters tell you to learn to "hear" the printed score in the head, > without > the a

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 06:39 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> However, I most certainly wouldn't want to have the current >> capabilities gelded just because someone else hasn't >> read/understood the documentation. > This is what bothers me about most discussions like this. > There se

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

Sibelius does have some clever defaults, such as making trills and crescendos play back. But it has some serious limitations when compared to Finale in regards to MIDI. For people doing serious MIDI work who need to produce a professional sounding result, Finale IS superior to Sibelius... no questi

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

Actually, I have recently had this problem with MacFin 2002b, with a large orchestral setup using about 30 channels of MIDI output. I'm not sure if the problem is Finale or something in my MIDI setup (the contrabass staff is the culprit only in one place, played by internal Unity DS-1 sampler

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On Wed, 10 July 2002, "David W. Fenton" wrote > > It is not a zero-sum game. What is a zero sum game is the amount of developer time available to Coda. If they spend time working on x they cannot spend time working on y. > > I am simply suggesting that improvements be made, not that existing

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On 9 Jul 2002, at 20:50, Robert Patterson wrote: > "David W. Fenton" wrote: > > quadrupling the number of metatool keys > > Gracious. I just can't let this go by. Occasionally I have gone back to > Fin97 to avoid re-editing an old doc. It is the SLAG MINES! (Single > undo, lotsa bugs that have s

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

On Wednesday, July 10, 2002, at 09:39 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: > You describe your crescendo as done with key velocities, but to me, > that's not the way a crescendo should happen at all -- it should be a > gradual increase in volume whether or not there are any note on events. > If the passag

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

On Wed, 10 July 2002, "Howard Rigby" wrote > I'll try this if it means I can avoid going through the entire score to > change enharmonics. If they are already entered, changing the key sig won't change them (using Hold Chromatic.) It could change the default for new notes. The graphic approach

Re: [Finale] Percussion sounds

The listing that shows Acoustic Grand is because that is the first patch (patch 000 or 001 depending on your synth and its numbering system) in the GM listing. The percussion channel, 10, is a unique channel in the GM world, with its own set of patches, where each individual note number has a

[Finale] Jazz articulations

Where can I find a means of notating a pitch bend, or a jazz "scoop" upward into a note? Thanks, Chris ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

David W. Fenton wrote: > On 9 Jul 2002, at 23:10, Philip Aker wrote: > > >>On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: >> >> >>>And in the expression list, there's no way to tell the >>>difference between "arco" (violin), "arco" (viola), "arco" >>>(cello) and "arco" (bass

[Finale] Percussion sounds

How do a set the percussion sounds on a full score to actually sound like the instruments chosen? Right now, my bass drum sounds like a bird whistle. There are other problems, as well. At the present time, in my Instrument List window, my Bass drum is listed as the Instrument "Standard Kit" and

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

Andrew Stiller wrote: [snip] > Hear hear! Some other words I would like never to have to deal with: > channel, patch, bank. And I would like a snare drum to sound like a > snare drum no matter what line or space I put it on, without creating or > manipulating a percussion map or anything e

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

Hi all-- Robert P. wrote: The way to avoid restriking the key sig is to put it in F major from the start. I'll try this if it means I can avoid going through the entire score to change enharmonics. Otherwise I'll apply David B.'s advice to use an opaque staff thingy Thanks for the i

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

At 09:44 AM 07/10/02, gj.berg wrote: >Perhaps a few worthy composers wrote without piano but the ones I most admire >(and most of all - love) all wrote with piano -- even the deaf ones! > >To me, the idea of writing out of your head is a hoary tale told to gullible >young recruits. Jari has

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

On 10 Jul 2002, at 0:39, Tim Thompson wrote: > I am not replying directly to the list member who wrote the 5-minute > crescendo comment because I deleted the message, and then thought to > respond. > > A crescendo in Finale: select MIDI tool (a keystroke); select region; > apply scale of key

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On 9 Jul 2002, at 19:32, Philip Aker wrote: > However, I most certainly wouldn't > want to have the current capabilities gelded just because > someone else hasn't read/understood the documentation. I equate > the complexity of Finale's Midi to the amount of piano chops > required to play a 3

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

On 10 Jul 2002, at 14:30, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Will accurate MIDI playback make you a better composer? This is a red herring. No one is claiming any such thing. Reducing the amount of time it takes to get a basic MIDI performance out of Finale would simply reduce the amount of time it ta

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On Wed, 10 July 2002, "David W. Fenton" wrote > The Sibelius method of understanding what arco means after a > pizzicato and automatically switching to the appropriate patch seems so > obviously superior Until, as eventually with any automation, its assumptions are not what you want. I think t

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On 10 Jul 2002, at 11:13, Colin Broom wrote: > > > > Much as I have to coment on regarding MIDI in Finale, I like the fact > that I > > > *can* assign a patch change to a pizz. indication if I so please, but > that I > > > have several other options available to me as well, such as switching > >

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

Howard Rigby wrote: > this is the SAME key sig the > > clars had before. I'm slightly puzzled by the application. Why do clarinets in A show a concert key sig when the piece is in d minor but a transposed key sig when it shifts to D major? But, no matter. The way to avoid restriking the key sig

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

At 09:41 AM 7/10/02 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >Very well, but it nonetheless requires multiple instances of a single >expression. The Sibelius method of understanding what arco means after a >pizzicato and automatically switching to the appropriate patch seems so >obviously superior that I

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

gj.berg writes: > You are entirely and completely wrong in your assessments and assumptions. > > Next you will assert that improvisation is best done in the head. > > Perhaps a few worthy composers wrote without piano but the ones I most admire > (and most of all - love) all wrote with piano --

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

On 9 Jul 2002, at 23:10, Philip Aker wrote: > On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 05:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > > > And in the expression list, there's no way to tell the > > difference between "arco" (violin), "arco" (viola), "arco" > > (cello) and "arco" (bass). > > That is only true in preh

Re: Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

Oh Jari don't start this. I knew this topic was heading this way but by you? A noted wise man of the list! I want you to know that this topic just took over the board - :) You are entirely and completely wrong in your assessments and assumptions. Next you will assert that improvisation is bes

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

At 08:31 AM 7/10/02 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: >it must >be pointed out that the objection applies with equal force to every >manner of lock or barrier whatsoever: What!? I can't go through this >door without securing your approval in advance and obtaining the >proper "key"? You're treating

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

At 08:58 AM 7/10/02 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: >Hear hear! Some other words I would like never to have to deal with: >channel, patch, bank. And I would like a snare drum to sound like a >snare drum no matter what line or space I put it on, without creating >or manipulating a percussion map or

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

> >I have always been philosophically opposed to protection because it treats > >me as if I were a criminal -- guilty until proven innocent by the my ID > While there is nothing inherently wrong w. this philosophy, it must > be pointed out that the objection applies with equal force to every > m

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

>I think the point is that people like me do not even want to hear the words >volume controller, or key velocity. Plus when I tried this kind of thing it >always tended to go wrong: ie I created a crescendo to a ff on to get the ff >back at normal volume - a bit of an anti-climax. > > >Johannes H

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

> >I have always been philosophically opposed to protection because it treats >me as if I were a criminal -- guilty until proven innocent by the my ID >papers. My government can't do this, so why should some collection of >corporate dumbbunnies get to do it? >... >Cheerfully, >Dennis > While ther

Playback (was: Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again)

Colin Broom writes: > > A crescendo in less than 5 minutes and 3 swear words? > > TGTools. Go. Done in less than half a minute. > > Or use the MIDI tool, scale either velocities or volume, depending on the > desired effect. Not that hard, and achieved equally quickly. The point of this whol

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

Richard Walker writes: > easy > scripting language that brings expansion within the realm of the ordinary > user who has neither the time nor the patience to master C++ before creating > plug-ins. OK, go ahead and create a MusicXML exporter or importer by using the built-in macro language! Or t

Re: [Finale] independent key sig and global cancel outgoing key

You could create an opaque shape expression which looks just like the lines of the staff that the natural sign resides on and place that over the natural sign. Howard Rigby wrote: > Hi all- > > I'm in FinWin97 (v3.8.3) > > Music I'm working on has key sig of d minor. Clarinets are in A

Re: [Finale] The "S" word again

Alan Smith wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 10:52 PM, David H. Bailey wrote: > >> And when your computer crashes and you haven't "removed" the enabling >> code, do they simply give you an additional code to activate it on >> your new machine, no questions asked? And how about using

[Finale] Multi measure rests and clefs FinWin 2003

Jari wrote:

Re: [Finale] The "S" Word [was: Orchestra MIDI]

> > Much as I have to coment on regarding MIDI in Finale, I like the fact that I > > *can* assign a patch change to a pizz. indication if I so please, but that I > > have several other options available to me as well, such as switching > > channels, tranposition, etc. One only has to set up the

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

On Tuesday, July 9, 2002, at 11:55 PM, Richard Walker wrote: >> In all seriousness, let's see that Sib >> articulation/expression/playback effect that's not possible to >> do in Finale. > In all seriousness, I think the proper question is how hard you > want to work to achieve a desired eff

[Finale] OT: eBay buys PayPal

All -- News for those of us who despise PayPal's "Reach Out and Touch Someone's Bank Account" attitude, but find eBay's Billpoint system relatively benign; a story on Lycos: Relevant quote: "eBay's current payment service, eBay Pa

Re: [Finale] Double re-draws

Dear Jerry and Jari (and others) Thank you for the information regarding the automatic spacing etc in the edit menu. I spent some time with Finale last night, and finally (no pun intended) found where the multimeasure rest submenu had moved to (!), although alternate notation is still evading me

Re: [Finale] Re: The "S" word again

- Original Message - > > This remark seems like wild speculation to me. So how's about > > you come up with a description of a Sib > > articulation/expression/playback effect that I can't reproduce > > in Finale? > > A crescendo in less than 5 minutes and 3 swear words? TGTools. Go. D

Re: [Finale] EBay buys PayPal

By the way, to all PayPal vendors -- PayPay does not accept customers in many countries, Hungary included. Daniel Wolf Budapest "Darcy James Argue" wrote: > > eBay buys PayPal Auction giant eBay will acquire online transaction > > facilitator PayPal in a stock-for-stock exchange using a fixed