Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I'll be interested to see if you find any paper at Kelly Paper that you want to use. For now, I'm going to try 500 sheets of the Wasau 28 lb. 12 x 18 white, and see how it goes. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn NY __

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: FWIW: Disaster struck recently when I discovered Hammermill had completely discontinued Warm White in their Accent Opaque line. I have a large supply of 13x20 sheets, but I'm out of 11x17. Wausau offers 11x17, 70b, Natural White in its Exact

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: BTW: While I agree that Xpedx should have a better website, I'm not sure why ordering online is so important. Paper is *heavy*. Shipping could cost a fortune if you ordered online in quantity. 1) There is, as far as I can tell, no Xpedx in New

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:01 PM 2/15/04 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote: >I don't know about in music, but in other publishing it's commonplace >to always have a multiple of four pages (or even eight, depending on >the method). A full signature made from one sheet of paper is often 16 sides. Compensating for "creep" in th

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:54 PM 2/15/04 -0600, Randolph Peters wrote: >1) They crack or break more easily than other binding methods. This is important. I never use comb bindings anymore because the plasticizer deteriorates and they crack. I have books and scores no more than 10 years old where the combs will not fle

Re: [Finale] Measure number Plug in request

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 08:09 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 7:40 PM -0500 2/15/04, Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, we just had this discussion with Bob Florence. Though I'm sure Robert's plugin makes this easier, I question the wisdom of having two sets of measure numbers for repeated sectio

[Finale] Spacing and other problems

2004-02-15 Thread dr.a.s. weinstangel
I am running into spacing problems in typesetting cantorial free-improvisational segments in one of my choral works.     In selected bars I need to space the material in the solo voice independently from the accompanying choir material. “Apply Time signature spacing” gives the best results for the

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 15, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just leave

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just leave it loose? Do you only create parts that are multiple

Re: [Finale] Phantom Word Extension

2004-02-15 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 5:30 PM -0500 2/15/04, Marc Shepherd wrote: I'm using Finale 2004's automatic word extensions. The file I'm editing was created using an earlier release of Finale, but I've upgraded the file and saved it in F2004 format. The problem is that a "phantom" word extension is appearing--a word ext

Re: [Finale] Measure number Plug in request

2004-02-15 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:40 PM -0500 2/15/04, Darcy James Argue wrote: Actually, we just had this discussion with Bob Florence. Though I'm sure Robert's plugin makes this easier, I question the wisdom of having two sets of measure numbers for repeated sections in the first place. I know this is an old manuscript

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
Darcy James Argue wrote: Do you only create parts that are multiples of four pages, and leave the last pages blank? For foldover parts, yes. -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.ed

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
For parts, the only reason I can imagine for not making them as booklets with staples down the middle, is if they are too long to be practical in that form (opera?). A 32-page part printed on 28 lb. paper is quite doable in booklet form. For anything bigger I would use wire coil binding. This

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 16/02/2004 00:29:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another reason comb (or spiral) binding is unacceptable for parts is that the comb or spiral gets crushed inside folders, and generally makes for troublesome insertion and removal from folders. I second this -

Re: [Finale] Measure number Plug in request

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
Actually, we just had this discussion with Bob Florence. Though I'm sure Robert's plugin makes this easier, I question the wisdom of having two sets of measure numbers for repeated sections in the first place. I know this is an old manuscript convention, but I don't see what advantage is gain

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
Randolph Peters wrote: The parts should be prepared within an image area of no less than 8.75 x 11.75" on paper at least 9.5 x 12.5" (A4). These minimum requirements leave a 3/4 inch margin surrounding the image area. Has anyone besides me noticed the errant math in this statement? To leave a 3/

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Randolph Peters
Plastic combs are a "never" as soon as it comes to recordings, they simply make too much noise. Johannes This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet as any. The Bridge recording of Griffes' _The Kairn of Koridwen_

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 23:59 Uhr, Lee Actor wrote > Last year a symphony I wrote had a 24-page harp part which had one spot with > an unavoidably impossible page turn. I printed an extra copy of the next > page and attached it as a fold-out to the booklet. For this kind of thing the VPC binding machine a

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Lee Actor
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf > Of John Howell > > I always use booklet format IF there are good page turns. Sometimes > there are not, and it's necessary to have 3 pages visible on the > stand. In that case, accordion binding, with only

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
Lee Actor wrote: For parts, the only reason I can imagine for not making them as booklets with staples down the middle, is if they are too long to be practical in that form (opera?). A 32-page part printed on 28 lb. paper is quite doable in booklet form. For anything bigger I would use wire coil

[Finale] Phantom Word Extension

2004-02-15 Thread Marc Shepherd
I'm using Finale 2004's automatic word extensions. The file I'm editing was created using an earlier release of Finale, but I've upgraded the file and saved it in F2004 format. The problem is that a "phantom" word extension is appearing--a word extensions not tied to any syllable. Even if I del

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 21:27 Uhr, Andrew Stiller wrote >> Plastic combs are a "never" as soon as it comes to recordings, >> they simply make too much noise. >> >> Johannes > > This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound > too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet

Re: [Finale] Adjust Syllables

2004-02-15 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 15, 2004, at 4:21 AM, d. collins wrote: Thanks, Mark, for this and your other reply on the hyphens. It's interesting to have your opinion as a singer. It's also interesting to hear that this is the standard style in opera. I probably should clarify: It's not so much a matter of opera vs

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Lee Actor
I used to use comb binding on my scores, but I find wire coil binding to be far superior. While it is true that the noise issue may be somewhat overstated for a properly comb-bound score, there is still a higher probability for pages to "catch" compared to wire coil binding, especially in the heat

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread David H. Bailey
I have been wondering what all the complaints were about with comb binding -- I often comb-bind my scores and find no more noise from comb binding than from simply turning the page, which a good musician learns how to do with a minimum of noise anyway. Pages make more noise scraping the lip of

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Andrew Stiller
Plastic combs are a "never" as soon as it comes to recordings, they simply make too much noise. Johannes This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet as any. The Bridge recording of Griffes' _The Kairn of Koridwen_

Re: [Finale] Measure number Plug in request

2004-02-15 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 02:27 PM 2/15/2004, Chuck Israels wrote: >Here's a question for plugin developers: I haven't tried your situation exactly, but I'm fairly certain that Robert Patterson's measure numbers plugin will let you do this -- or at least make it very easy. Aaron. _

[Finale] Measure number Plug in request

2004-02-15 Thread Chuck Israels
Here's a question for plugin developers: Is it practical/possible to create a plug in which will renumber measures, taking into account first and second endings? In other words (a simple example), you have a 32 measure form in which the first 8 measures and measures 17 through 24 are identical

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 18:18 Uhr, Arkady wrote > More discussion at Finale Forum. I just discovered it! Great! Love it! > Particularly the Poll Feature! I have posted a copy of this reply there as > well. This way if someone on this list wants to follow this particular > thread, they can go to > > http://

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,

2004-02-15 Thread Arkady
> From: "David H. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 06:15:21 -0500 > To: Arkady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Finale List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers, > > The only reply on the forum raises a very good issue --

[Finale] Finale Script booklet printing

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I am lost with this: I have a score which is 41 pages, how do I get FinaleScript to print me a booklet of this score, which is to be stapled in the middle? I tried print booklet 44, but this only outputs 12 pages. The page order seems to be right, but why doesn't it output all pages (ie 22)? I a

Re: [Finale] Delete all notes except top from chord

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 16:54 Uhr, Michael Cook wrote > Mass Edit> Utilities> Explode music will do this. Select: > > Split Into 1 Staves > One Note Per Staff > Explode Direction: Top Down > Extra Notes: Discard > Place Music Into: Existing Staves Starting With Staff [name of staff] > > Best wishes, > >

Re: [Finale] Delete all notes except top from chord

2004-02-15 Thread Michael Cook
Mass Edit> Utilities> Explode music will do this. Select: Split Into 1 Staves One Note Per Staff Explode Direction: Top Down Extra Notes: Discard Place Music Into: Existing Staves Starting With Staff [name of staff] Best wishes, Michael Cook At 15:05 +0100 15/02/2004, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Doe

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Cecil Rigby
Hi Robert et al-- This past week I received an order of a case (1000 sheets) of 70# 23x35 Accent Opaque warm white from Hammermill's Atlanta warehouse (via MacPapers). I'm going to call Mac in the morning, though, to see if they've heard it was going to be discontinued. It's possible I got some o

Re: [Finale] Delete all notes except top from chord

2004-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
TGTools Special Mods has some options that will let you do it. You'll have to make multiple passes. (Set the "Nth note" value to 2, then click GO until all that is left is the top notes.) It happens that TGTools Special Mods works really well for erasing all but the top note. To erase all but t

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
I'll be interested to see if you find any paper at Kelly Paper that you want to use. My search came up empty (11x17, Natural White, 70lb Offset, Acid Free). FWIW: Disaster struck recently when I discovered Hammermill had completely discontinued Warm White in their Accent Opaque line. I have a

[Finale] Solution for "TGTools cannot install its keyboard hook"

2004-02-15 Thread Tobias Giesen
Dear Subscribers, if you ever get this message when starting Finale on Windows, I finally have a solution for you: please install the latest TGTools version 2.27c. By the way, in Finale 2004 (Mac & Win), TGTools installation is now as easy as clicking a button: no need to download anything manual

[Finale] Delete all notes except top from chord

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Does anyone know a method to delete all notes from chords except for the top note (for a mass mover selection)? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.e

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 14:21 Uhr, Christopher BJ Smith wrote > But I don't get Arkay's thing about periods after the digits. It is > no bother to me to type a period after 1. or 2., and I often want > text other than digits in my endings, without periods. There is indeed one problem with the period: Most

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,

2004-02-15 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 12:40 PM +0100 2/15/04, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Thing is, as far as I can tell, none of this is a "bug", it is by design. And it works more or less. The one thing I would really like to see changed with repeat brackets is a system similar to staff lists in Expressions, whereby I can define a rep

[Finale] Split stems into V2?

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
I have a file (which was originally entered by someone else) which uses split stems in a passage. This causes a number of problems, and I would like to change those into Voice 2 (not layer 2, for good reasons). Is there an automatic way to do this? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http:

Re: [Finale] Adjust Syllables

2004-02-15 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 15, 2004, at 2:52 AM, d. collins wrote: Gerou-Lusk: "Another help in reading melisma is the proper alignement of the lyric. The word or syllable, instead of being centered under the note, should be aligned flush left with the left edge of the notehead." Ross: "I personally see no musica

Re: [Finale] Varied trill line

2004-02-15 Thread Ole Buck
From: Rich Caldwell At first I figured this had to be possible, either in Finale or elsewhere. So, I first tried with the expression shape creator. I came up with something, but it wasn't too pretty. I decided it wasn't worth the trouble for the results. Just now, though, I gave it anothe

Re: [Finale] Adjust Syllables

2004-02-15 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 15, 2004, at 12:06 AM, d. collins wrote: Does this mean that in certain cases you do away with the hyphen? I've often been tempted to do this, but many singers have told me this makes the music much harder to read. Has this prompted any complaints from the singers? I've never heard compl

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,  

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Thing is, as far as I can tell, none of this is a "bug", it is by design. And it works more or less. The one thing I would really like to see changed with repeat brackets is a system similar to staff lists in Expressions, whereby I can define a repeat bracket to appear only in certain staves in th

Re: [Finale] 1st and 2nd Endings -- Automatic Dots after the numbers,

2004-02-15 Thread David H. Bailey
The only reply on the forum raises a very good issue -- if the dots are the default, how would we get rid of them if we don't want them? Many of the first/second endings I see in other publications don't have periods after the numbers, so I find it perfectly easy to add them if I want them and