[Finale] FWD: Enhancements to the website "composer's forum

2004-06-04 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Friends: I submitted to the MakeMusic! technical support the suggestion: It has occurred to me that it would be a reasonable and proper enhancement to the composer's forum to make it possible for users to use this forum to trade library files and templates for use with Finale. If such a facility

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.06.2004 7:36 Uhr, Arkady wrote > For me Mic Notator is important, and it doesn't exist in Sibelius. REally? This is the first time I hear of anyone using this. Do you really input your music with MicNotator successfully? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berol

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 10:42 PM -0700 6/03/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: The thing they should work on is linking parts to a score. It's a pain in the ass to work on something, and have to remember to change the score and other parts. It would be great to have them linked (if you wanted) to a score, so, a change in a p

RE: [Finale] GPO (was: soft synt)

2004-06-04 Thread Williams, Jim
Jari, as far as I know, Human Playback only helps GPO with matters of time/tempo. Since HP still does dynamics via volume or velocity, it will not interface perfectly with GPO, and HP seems geared to General MIDI. I don't know how you feel about the Human Playback, but I question some of the d

Re: [Finale] Revere font

2004-06-04 Thread Wiz-of-Oz
Graphire has a MusicPress demo at their site. I've downloaded the demo but couriously it doesn't contain any music font, so when you open the program, you see just garbage :( Abel Korzeniowski - Original Message - From: "Angela Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I vaguely recall a discussion

[Finale] A bug in Tuplet Mover

2004-06-04 Thread Wiz-of-Oz
I have dicovered a strange bug in otherwise almost perfect Patterson's Tuplet Mover 2.65: Every time I try to select measures that are one different pages and run TM, it shows an error message "FinPIStaffSystem::FinPIStaffSystem->Unable to load Enigma Data. EXTAG is'O[here comes a "square" ie. unk

AW: [Finale] A bug in Tuplet Mover

2004-06-04 Thread lists
As a temporary fix switch of Automatic Layout Update and run the plugin. Johannes > I have dicovered a strange bug in otherwise almost perfect Patterson's > Tuplet Mover 2.65: > > Every time I try to select measures that are one different pages and run TM, > it shows an error message "FinPIStaff

[Finale] Re: mirrors (was: Layout question)

2004-06-04 Thread shirling & neueweise
From: Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I use them all the time. The prime use at least for me is for doubling parts, which do occur often in the kind of music I edit. Eventually the mirrors will have to be converted (part extraction requires this) but they can save a lot of time. you probabl

[Finale] Tempo Tool Changes Not Playing Back in Finale

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
I'm working on a file in WinFin2K3 that was created from an old template (probably originated in WinFin97 or WinFin5.2), and tempo tool changes aren't being honored during playback in Finale. This has nothing to do with saving as MIDI -- it's not happening within Finale. I made sure the playba

Re: [Finale] A bug in Tuplet Mover

2004-06-04 Thread Wiz-of-Oz
Thanks Johannes for a wokaround. Still hope for a fix and further improvements (like metric centering of numeral etc.) :) Abel Korzeniowski > As a temporary fix switch of Automatic Layout Update and run the plugin. > > Johannes > > > I have dicovered a strange bug in otherwise almost perfect P

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This issue has come up before on this list, and there were a whole bunch of things discussed that I couldn't understand because I have little programming experience, but here is my main objection: What would happen to the layout of the parts when you made a change to

Re: [Finale] Tempo Tool Changes Not Playing Back in Finale

2004-06-04 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: I'm working on a file in WinFin2K3 that was created from an old template (probably originated in WinFin97 or WinFin5.2), and tempo tool changes aren't being honored during playback in Finale. This has nothing to do with saving as MIDI -- it's not happening within Finale.

Re: [Finale] A bug in Tuplet Mover

2004-06-04 Thread Robert Patterson
Abel Korzeniowski: > Thanks Johannes for a wokaround. Still hope for a fix FWIW: The error message stems from a problem in Finale, not the plugin. My personal view is that one is much better of without Auto Update Layout, so I don't consider the procedure to be so much a workaround as a better p

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:17 AM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: This issue has come up before on this list, and there were a whole bunch of things discussed that I couldn't understand because I have little programming experience, but here is my main objection: What would happen to t

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:47 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >I'm still not getting it. If the layout has to change, then why not >re-extract the part? This is probably one of those things that comes down to each person's working habits, but since you asked When I extract parts, even with Page Layout

Re: [Finale] Re: mirrors (was: Layout question)

2004-06-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.06.2004 18:41 Uhr, shirling & neueweise wrote > i used mirrors quite extensively in a recent score (mac-F2k3), with > great success. they helped me reduce the size of a score from 2.5M > (!) when i received it, to 1.4M once i had changed all repeated bits > to mirrors. I wonder whether th

Re: [Finale] A bug in Tuplet Mover

2004-06-04 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 04.06.2004 21:19 Uhr, Robert Patterson wrote > Abel Korzeniowski: >> Thanks Johannes for a wokaround. Still hope for a fix > > FWIW: The error message stems from a problem in Finale, not the plugin. > My personal view is that one is much better of without Auto Update > Layout, so I don't consi

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I'm still not getting it. If the layout has to change, then why not re-extract the part? If you are using Finale's default layout, then you should be happy, as it is all done automatically. If you are in the habit of changing the default layout on extracted parts, the

Re: [Finale] Revere font

2004-06-04 Thread Scott Jones
Upon D/L of the windows demo there is a font called GCRevere that gets installed. That seems to be the font that everyone is interested in. Many of the characters are very nice looking but it will take tons of tweaking to ever use it in Finale. I just finished playing around with it myself in an

Re: [Finale] Auto Update Layour (was: A bug in Tuplet Mover)

2004-06-04 Thread Robert Patterson
Johannes Gebauer wrote: Well, for me AutoUpdate works much better than without it Okay, but you should know you are taking a significant performance hit by using it, esp. with large files. I've found it adds as much as a second or two every time I do anything. So I've learned to hit cmd-\ as of

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 2:00 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Layout would probably NOT be linked, but NOTES would. Does that make sense? I can't count how many times I've changed something in a score and FORGOT to update it in a part. Re extracting the part would be way more time consuming. The placement of

[Finale] Score reduction.

2004-06-04 Thread Keith Helgesen
Can anyone give me a 'thumbnail' sketch on how to convert a full Concert Band Score to three or four stave 'Shortscore". (Win 2001d) A thirty odd page full score is great for rehearsal, but a 'short score' of three or four pages is much better for an outdoor windy performance in the park! If not

Re: [Finale] Tempo Tool Changes Not Playing Back in Finale

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 14:51, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > I'm working on a file in WinFin2K3 that was created from an old > > template (probably originated in WinFin97 or WinFin5.2), and tempo > > tool changes aren't being honored during playback in Finale. > > > > This has nothing

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my > notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable as layout in an extracted part. 2. the impl

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word >makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like >"correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or >numbers when I hit carriage return. You know you can turn all of that o

Re: [Finale] Score reduction.

2004-06-04 Thread dhbailey
Keith Helgesen wrote: Can anyone give me a 'thumbnail' sketch on how to convert a full Concert Band Score to three or four stave 'Shortscore". (Win 2001d) A thirty odd page full score is great for rehearsal, but a 'short score' of three or four pages is much better for an outdoor windy performance

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Once again, my little copying routine that I noted is so easy, that I can hardly imagine justifying the kind of rewriting it would take to accomplish linking ONLY notes in Finale. And doesn't anyone edit anything else? But if you find yourself doing this a LOT, would

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable as layout in an extracted

[Finale] Re: Special Part Extraction (was Layout Question)

2004-06-04 Thread Brian Williams
Actually, if you really want to save keystrokes while conserving layout tweaks -- without going through that tedious Express Music process -- you can do what I and a number of other professional LA copyists do and use the "Special Part Extraction" feature. Basically, you make a copy of your score

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 20:36, dhbailey wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > > On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: > > > >>I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want > >>my notation program to do. > > > > > > You seem to assume a number of things: > > > > 1. la

Re: [Finale] Re: Special Part Extraction (was Layout Question)

2004-06-04 Thread David W. Fenton
On 4 Jun 2004 at 17:55, Brian Williams wrote: > This is *BY FAR* the most efficient method of quickly extracting and > laying out similar parts. And every part contains the entire score in > scroll view so corrections are easier to make. And to think that Coda > almost got rid of Special Part Extr

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:55 PM 06/04/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: For example, I HATE the way Microsoft Word makes assumptions about what I want done with my typing, like "correcting" my spelling without telling me, or putting bullets or numbers when I hit carriage

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would not be as fully adjustable a

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 5:35 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: Once again, my little copying routine that I noted is so easy, that I can hardly imagine justifying the kind of rewriting it would take to accomplish linking ONLY notes in Finale. And doesn't anyone edit anything else?

[Finale] Re: Special Part Extraction (was Layout Question)

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
Well, then, I take back what I just said in my previous message about nobody using Special Part Extraction! But there IS one flaw in this method: you still don't have ONE place where you make a note change for it to be reflected in all the other parts immediately. You would have to change ALL s

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 7:50 PM -0400 6/04/04, David W. Fenton wrote: On 4 Jun 2004 at 18:55, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I suppose this amounts to a different philosophy about what I want my notation program to do. You seem to assume a number of things: 1. layout in the linked part would

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: You know, this is what I was referring to when I mentioned experienced programmers seeming to see things that I don't. I don't understand the term "relational database." Maybe if I did, I would "get" what all you guys want out of Finale. Relational databases. See ht

[Finale] improper key sig placement with custom clef

2004-06-04 Thread shirling & neueweise
macfin2k3 i have created a custom clef to indicate treble clef 15va, with mid-C position at -24, but wherever key sigs are present, these also appear about 24 spaces below their proper position. this is a document created in 2001d, which i just converted to 20031.r1, i am wondering if this has

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jun 4, 2004, at 9:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Lyric tool works well. Really? Lyric tool works well if you know what you're doing, or if you never do anything complicated, but it has lots of pit-traps that the unwray can fall into. And there are failings, too, such as control over hyphen be

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Christopher BJ Smith wrote: I just think that if you are going to have to re-jig almost every aspect of your part layout once you change something, why not just re-extract parts again? Why do you think that? Say you change 8 measures of music, is th

Re: [Finale] Finale vs. Sibelius - Review in Macworld July 2004 Issue

2004-06-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 9:29 PM -0700 6/04/04, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Thats like letting Finale print the parts for you. I can't ever remember doing that and liking the results. It would be great to keep a score and the parts together in ONE file, and have separate layouts for each. Then you can change the music, bu

Re: [Finale] Score reduction.

2004-06-04 Thread Keith Helgesen
Thanks as ever. I'll spend a couple of hours experimenting with a defunct score- fingers crossed! Cheers K - Original Message - From: dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Score reduction. > Keith Helgesen wrote