On 03.08.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
problems learning Sibelius, too.
Well, in all fairness, and not really knowing Sibelius much, I do know
that a lot of people
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
On 03.08.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused you
to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you problems
learning Sibelius, too.
Well, in all fairness, and not really knowing Sibelius much, I do kn
On 04.08.2007 dhbailey wrote:
I, too, have begun to steer people to Sibelius, if they don't want the notation
program to get in the way of working with the music. Finale is the better
music engraver's tool, but Sibelius is the better notation program for the 99%
of musicians who don't want to
At 07:45 AM 8/4/2007, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>And one more point: I have no experience with the current Sibelius, but
>I do find Finale's sheer wealth of bugs almost unbearable these days.
I've said for a few years that there is no piece of commercial
software I work with regularly which has a
On 04.08.2007 Aaron Sherber wrote:
I've said for a few years that there is no piece of commercial software I work
with regularly which has as many, and as easily reproducible, bugs as Finale.
It's very unfortunate that marketing's perceived need for a parcel of new
features every 12 months pre
Does anyone know a way to enter Kanji in Mac Finale? I've figured out
how to enter kana using fonts, but I can't figure out if there are any
easy kanji fonts. I would like to display a coupld of kanji in a text block.
--
Robert Patterson
http://RobertGPatterson.com
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It almost sounds like we really need a webpage or something that
documents all these problems. Perhaps then MakeMusic will get it's act
together..
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
Well, it is partly the completely absurd situation Makemusic have put
themselves into in the last few years. Every
Hello,
Is it possible to use in Finale multiple time signatures in that way that for
example a quarter note stays a quarter note and so for example 3 bars in 4/4
equals 4 bars in 3/4? And how do you do it? Thanks already for your advice.
Bart
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Whatever ease of use Sibelius may offer, its lack of power will never make
me a convert. Also, I really need SMARTMUSIC, and it only works with
5inale.
Henry Howey
Professor of Music
Sam Houston State University
Box 2208
Huntsville, TX 77341
(936) 294-1364
http://www.shsu.edu/music/fa
I don't know about Mac, but on the PC platform, the limitation is that
Finale doesn't support Unicode. If that is the case with Mac, I have
found the following site
http://www.lillians.de/fonts.html
which has many fonts, including Kanji and the "joined" characters (e.g.,
"kyu") in 8-bit chara
weird... and somewhat disconcerting...
F2007c, i added a new text, page-attached, and moved it a little on
the page, did nothing else. a little while later i notice that the
exact same text appears as the group name on the single staff of an
optimized system 4 pages later, in fact the 3rd of
"It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
problems learning Sibelius, too."
I was sure that I would get a some sour remarks. I thought it was going to be
about the manual (so I'm wrong about that) and abo
well, if it helps at all, it isn't limited to a particular font,
earlier it was my default text block font, and now it just happened
again with engraverfontset as i was placing system separators.
F2007c, i added a new text, page-attached, and moved it a little on
the page, did nothing else.
For a couple of years I too have had a foot in both camps. It was
VERY hard for me to learn Sibelius, since in many ways it works
oppositely from Finale (Speedy Note entry is one example), so I
didn't find anything intuitive about it. But I just wanted to add to
the List members comments ab
Does finale 2008 save smartmusic files in a format that smartmusic 10
reads?
Sent on the go via my iPhone
On Aug 4, 2007, at 10:06 AM, "Henry E. Howey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Whatever ease of use Sibelius may offer, its lack of power will
never make
me a convert. Also, I real
I've been pondering whether to get the Finale 08 or Sib5. After seeing the
remarks of the past few days I believe I will invest in the Sib and see how
it goes. I've always used Simple Entry, with mouse and computer keyboard,
so the learning curve may not be as steep. I, too, am tired of MM up
In the midst of this I will throw in my naive, tunnel-vision report on
WinFinale 2008, if anyone cares.
I had experienced two very strange problems with 2007 that almost no one
else reported:
(1) New files created in 2007 would usually print only postage-sized
pages. This was printer inde
On 4 Aug 2007 at 11:04, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> On 03.08.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
> > It will be interesting to see if the same stubbornness that caused
> > you to refuse to do the Finale tutorials in full will cause you
> > problems learning Sibelius, too.
>
> Well, in all fairness, and not
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
Is it possible to use in Finale multiple time signatures in that way that for
example a quarter note stays a quarter note and so for example 3 bars in 4/4
equals 4 bars in 3/4? And how do you do it? Thanks already for your advice.
Bart
Henry E. Howey wrote:
Whatever ease of use Sibelius may offer, its lack of power will never make
me a convert. Also, I really need SMARTMUSIC, and it only works with
5inale.
What lack of power is it that you need which Sibelius doesn't offer?
And is Finale2008 working with SmartMusic yet? Or
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 07:45 AM 8/4/2007, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>And one more point: I have no experience with the current Sibelius, but
>I do find Finale's sheer wealth of bugs almost unbearable these days.
I've said for a few years that there is no piece of commercial software
I work wi
Bruce Clausen wrote:
I've been pondering whether to get the Finale 08 or Sib5. After seeing
the remarks of the past few days I believe I will invest in the Sib and
see how it goes. I've always used Simple Entry, with mouse and computer
keyboard, so the learning curve may not be as steep. I,
Bruce Clausen wrote:
I've been pondering whether to get the Finale 08 or Sib5. After seeing
the remarks of the past few days I believe I will invest in the Sib and
see how it goes. I've always used Simple Entry, with mouse and computer
keyboard, so the learning curve may not be as steep. I,
On 4 Aug 2007 at 17:15, dhbailey wrote:
> One thing which I find interesting is the number of Finale users who
> are on versions 3 and 4 years old (with some on versions much older)
> who have seen no need to upgrade, and with the newly introduced bugs
> making it more difficult to work with confi
> Having said all that, there are a few things that are
>favorites of mine that Sib won't do (double bars at the
>beginning of a system is one example,
>KIM R
I spent hours with Sibelius a version or so ago but, even with help from the
expert, could not figure a way for Sibelius to do t
David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]
the long haul, you want ease of use. We may all agree that Sibelius
wins on ease of learning (though I don't recall the tutorials being
difficult to get through), but it's pretty clear to me that on ease
of use, Finale is at the very least somewhat ahead of Sibeli
Hi Ray,
Linked parts takes some getting used to, but it does work pretty well
for me. I find TG Tools (the full deal) particularly useful in
transferring all or part of a part layout from one part to another
(TG Tool menu/modify/transfer), and that takes the place of the way I
used to wo
>I am writing music in 3/4 and I
>want to change to 3+2+2/8. So, I am taking my printed version
>of the manual. OK. There are several choices. Since I do not
>know how many measures I will need in composite time, I click
>'Measure to next time change'. I'm writing in 3+2+2/8 (ms. 4)
>and now
Richard Yates wrote:
Having said all that, there are a few things that are
favorites of mine that Sib won't do (double bars at the
beginning of a system is one example,
KIM R
I spent hours with Sibelius a version or so ago but, even with help from the
expert, could not figure a way for Sib
On 4 Aug 2007 at 17:48, dhbailey wrote:
> Berating Will for not putting in the effort to learn Finale is your
> right, since he hasn't put in that time. But you haven't put in the
> time learning Sibelius either.
The Finale tutorials give you *everything* you need to get started.
And I did them
I don't know if this useful behavior is lost in favor of other things
in the new selection tool system, but I cannot find how to copy one
measure X number of times (horizontally) in 2008. Maybe there's a
keyboard command I am missing. Anyone know?
TIA,
Chuck
Chuck Israels
230 North G
Bruce K H Kau wrote:
I don't know about Mac, but on the PC platform, the limitation is that
Finale doesn't support Unicode.
Thanks, Bruce. I figured out what to do. My mistake was trying to
copy/paste the characters from a Unicode program into Finale. There is a
font on my Mac called "Hiragin
Thanks, David. I have indeed tried the list and the demo. Because I use
Simple Entry, as I said, Sib5 didn't seem so foreign. Also, call it petty,
as a composer, I resent having to work around having to use key signatures.
Though my work is tonal, it is highly chromatic and sigs are annoying.
At 06:01 PM 8/4/2007, Chuck Israels wrote:
>I don't know if this useful behavior is lost in favor of other things
>in the new selection tool system, but I cannot find how to copy one
>measure X number of times (horizontally) in 2008. Maybe there's a
>keyboard command I am missing. Anyone know?
I've been looking, Chuck, and haven't found a solution, yet, For now,
I copy once, select both measures, copy again, select all four
measures, and copy again -- that's just to get 8 bars.
-Carolyn
On 8/4/07, Chuck Israels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know if this useful behavior is lost
Hi Bruce:
Could you explain what you mean by having to work around key
signatures? I work with a lot of non-tonal music and haven't felt like
I needed to work around keys.
Is the issue for the transposing instruments? All you need do is
choose "chromatic" rather than "key" in the transposition di
"They're doing a heckuva job!"
And that's another problem with Finale support--we are extremely
unlikely to see *any* reply from MM on this list.
**Leigh
On Sat, Aug 4, 2007, Bruce E. Clausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Simply the
>volume of negative remarks on this list should be worrying som
At 08:25 PM 8/4/2007, Leigh Daniels wrote:
>And that's another problem with Finale support--we are extremely
>unlikely to see *any* reply from MM on this list.
This is not an MM list, and MM does not officially monitor it. This
has always been true.
Aaron.
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At 08:19 PM 8/4/2007, Bruce E. Clausen wrote:
> Also, call it petty,
>as a composer, I resent having to work around having to use key signatures.
>Though my work is tonal, it is highly chromatic and sigs are annoying.
>Further, as a horn player, I find it disconcerting to put things into a C
>scor
Thanks, Aaron! That'll save me a lot of time!
-Carolyn
On 8/4/07, Aaron Sherber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 06:01 PM 8/4/2007, Chuck Israels wrote:
> >I don't know if this useful behavior is lost in favor of other things
> >in the new selection tool system, but I cannot find how to copy on
Thanks,
I figured this was simply hidden in a new place.
Chuck
On Aug 4, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:01 PM 8/4/2007, Chuck Israels wrote:
>I don't know if this useful behavior is lost in favor of other things
>in the new selection tool system, but I cannot find how to copy o
>
> For people who have grown up with Finale and used it for many versions,
> it will remain easier to use until an equal amount of time is put into
> learning Sibelius. But for people just starting out with one notation
> program or the other, it's what they learn first which will seem easiest
Yes, but Finale's Chromatic Transposition is seriously flawed
compared to Sibelius's, which allows one-click enabling of the option
("Atonal/Open Key" is a key signature, a separate key signature
choice from "C major") Finale forces you to choose "Chromatic
Transposition" for each instrumen
Henry E. Howey wrote:
Also, I really need SMARTMUSIC, and it only works with
5inale.
So does MM. That's why SmartMusic is only compatible with Finale. By the
way, why should I pay for a SmartMusic subscription, ostensibly to be
able to use licensed content, and not be paid a license fee by
Yeah, I don't get that either. I also don't get why they can't fix some
SIMPLE bugs, like having Custom files display properly on a Mac...
Richard Smith wrote:
So does MM. That's why SmartMusic is only compatible with Finale. By
the way, why should I pay for a SmartMusic subscription, oste
You can make Sibelius have a Speedy Entry, sort of, but it doesn't work
as well as Finale's. But then MM doesn't want you to work in Speedy.
They consider it old fashioned. They want you to learn the simple entry
tools they copied (none to well) form Sibelius.
Sibelius works best with simple e
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