Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: But, again, the problem as I see it is *not* with Finale, but with Acrobat's incorrect line smoothing. I don't know why Finale sends multiple thin lines instead of a single line with a particular thickness to the print driver, but perhaps there's a reason for

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
dc wrote, on 9/24/2007 2:02 AM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect display. Finale prints to Postscript and compiles Postscript quite differently. Does this work with any kind of font? TT or PS or OT?

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
dc wrote, on 9/24/2007 8:12 AM: I can't get Compile PS to work. Finale crashes if I include the fonts. And it gives nice staff lines if I don't, but without the fonts (except Maestro, for some reason)... The resulting PDF has only two fonts listed: Maestro and Courier. Courier is the normal

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread David W. Fenton
On 24 Sep 2007 at 8:02, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: But, again, the problem as I see it is *not* with Finale, but with Acrobat's incorrect line smoothing. I don't know why Finale sends multiple thin lines instead of a single line with a particular thickness to the print driver, but

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Kurt Gnos
, with success... Kurt -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von dhbailey Gesendet: Montag, 24. September 2007 12:37 An: finale@shsu.edu Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-24 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 24.09.2007 Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: As I say, the only thing Finale's Compile Postscript Listing doesn't do is compile the TIFF graphics with it. Have you tried using EPS graphics instead? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused here. The screen display of Windows produced Finale PDFs is

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. You mean in printout or on screen? I don't think there ever was a problem in

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Kurt Gnos wrote: [snip] I wish our list could be strong enough to DEMAND this. [snip] The demands/requests are there -- what is needed is for MakeMusic to respond in a manner which shows that they care about their installed customer base, instead of using Finale-generated income to support

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Ok, the stafflines are displaying better in low resolution. Since I need PDFs for printing, I don't mind much. And when I want to look a PDFs, I use high resolution (1920x1200), and that's fine - say, compared with the quality of tons of scanned PDFs I have... But here is a simple solution. If

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: But here is a simple solution. If the staff lines are troubling you - just go to document options - Lines and curves - and set the line thickness of staff lines to a lower value - I used 0.003 in my sample PDF that you can get from:

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really are getting confused

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 8:11 AM, dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the other way around. Of course! MM is doing its best to send its users to Sibelius... I know many people who have made the switch from F to S, and none who

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. No, now we really

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread John Howell
At 8:03 AM -0400 9/23/07, dhbailey wrote: It would be very interesting to see the amount of cross-grade sales of Sibelius for Finale-users and compare that with cross-grade sales of Finale for Sibelius users. My bet would be that there is a larger flow from Finale to Sibelius than the

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:20 PM, dhbailey wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:41 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be

AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Johannes Gebauer Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. September 2007 17:23 An: finale@shsu.edu Betreff: Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale On 23.09.2007 Kurt Gnos wrote: But here is a simple solution

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect display. Finale prints to Postscript and compiles Postscript quite

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
PS to previous: The reason this is very important for me is that Compile Postscript Listing does *not* include embedded graphics. For many scores, I need them, and have had to fall back on printing to Postscript and its poor results. Dennis ___

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by Compile Postscript Listing rather than print-to-Postscript. What was your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver were you printing to? No, he just used very thin lines. If

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner than one pixel, so the anti-aliasing should make it

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
Johannes wrote: No, he just used very thin lines. If you print this example it will look pretty awful, at least to my eyes. If you look at the example at high magnification you will still see that the lines don't anti-alias, and display slightly different thicknesses. The lines are very thin,

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. September 2007 22:05 An: finale@shsu.edu Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale PS to previous: The reason this is very important for me is that Compile

AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Kurt Gnos
22:22 An: finale@shsu.edu Betreff: Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale Johannes wrote: No, he just used very thin lines. If you print this example it will look pretty awful, at least to my eyes. If you look at the example at high magnification you will still see

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread dennis
you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7 Pro in XP and upload the output. Kurt, Most of my files are 20-100MB with their embedded graphics -- a tad too large to send. But I am trying another set of new drivers, and other than the staff lines,

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 21:37, Kurt Gnos wrote: Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, Huh? How does Finale on Windows utilize PS onscreen? The fact is, it doesn't. For that matter, on Mac, display PS *is* used for rendering, but at the

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 15:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since PDFs are basically postscript, and Finale's display, I guess, is also a kind of postscript, this should be solved easily. This does not address the fact that Finale's Compile Postscript Listing function produces a perfect display.

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:02, Johannes Gebauer wrote: The problem with the windows PDF output displayed in Reader is that all the lines are different thickness, extremely thick, and the notes are so blotchy one can't read them. Well, that's a horse of a different color. On every PC I've ever

Re: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 22:09, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The example you posted looks like the quality display produced by Compile Postscript Listing rather than print-to-Postscript. What was your printing sequence from Finale? And what printer driver were

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Sep 23, 2007, at 4:02 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 23.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: Not on my system. Preview makes all the line grey onscreen, but only from SOME Windows-produced PDFs (Mac ones look fine), but Reader 8 looks great. But the lines should be grey. They are thinner

Re: AW: AW: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-23 Thread Christopher Smith
Dennis, Try yousendit.com for large files. They allow files to be sent up to 100mb when you register. I find it very useful. Christopher On Sep 23, 2007, at 5:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can send me a Finale File using embedded Graphics, and I will print it using Acrobat 7

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. At least you ask the question yourself - Another issue for PDF on screen (actually, I just need it for printing most of the time, and

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Kurt -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
God I'm glad I started this thread. Really - how about MakeMusic and Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Thinking about some file

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 2:34, Kurt Gnos wrote: Really - how about MakeMusic and Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Well, companies usually

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Kurt Gnos wrote, on 9/22/2007 8:04 PM: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Can you post a PDF example on your website? One that is *printed* from