This message is from: Frank Sally Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AmyVery well written! You made my day and gave me a good chuckle!
(I'm still smiling) Another thought: yes, Fjords are very similar to the 'old
type' Morgan that was around 14:2, rugged, and a do-anything horse; as well
as
This message is from: Janne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK, if I see one more crossbreeding post I think I may loose my norwegian
mind, ha ha.
This is a free country, no way one can control this outside the NFHR, but
through education perhaps.
I don't like it, but then again I don't like smoking,
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 7:14:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
would provide as much support
on-list
Count me in as one of the list members who had grown very tired of both
discussions and have been deleting more posts than
This message is from: Janne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree with Steve on his recent shut down of rescue efforts and also applaud
Lynda for her work, - it is NO problem to click on her site to keep updated
for those who wants to.
Lets keep going on some of the discussion about NFHR, promo, etc that
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 1/11/2003 4:07:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thus far for farm chores, I have not needed shoes to protect
the feet, but we have clay soils which are soft on the
feet. However, I have wondered if we
This message is from: Reena G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I respect Steve's decision and don't feel as if I was 'pressuring' him, just
giving my opinion/thoughts/feelings on the topic. I did/do feel that all
talk of Fjords in whatever regard is pertinent, but I do have to agree, that
all of the recent
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Janet,
I for one have found your posts on crossbreeding very educational rational
and interesting.. It seems to me that some of the attitudes expressed here
in the responses have been much like arguing about religion.
I welcome your educated
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
an
all-terrain horse, exploring in every kind of condition and
circumstances to
their maximum physical and mental capabilities
This pretty much describes the event horse, only event horses do it at a
gallop.
Vivian Creigh
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That is my call and
it is final. I only wish that the folks that have been writing me
off-list approving of this decision would provide as much support
on-list to balance the heat I'm taking for shutting down this
discussion.
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Catherine--
Saturday, January 11, 2003, 4:40:21 PM, you wrote:
QUESTIONS: What if Norway told you that if you Fjord stallion did
not make 80 points or higher, it would have to be gelded? Would you
geld your 79 point stallion?
Under the
This message is from: Sandy Sederstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have been reading the responses about the survey,which I did send back, and
want to say that the people that don't show have just as much impact on the
exposure of the Fjord breed as much as showing them. My case in point is that
we do
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boy, Helena, you sure put a different perspective on this subject! WHAT IF
we're actually doing the Fjord breed more harm by trying to rescue all
these pmu Fjords? Might it not encourage a puppy mill mentality with
substandard Fjords being bred
This message is from: Janet McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jamie,
thankyou Jamie for taking this on as a level headed debate
:-) Steve, I do hope you will allow this one last post
through, especially since there are a few (incorrect)
accusations being thrown at me that you did permit to go
public.
This message is from: Ursula Brian Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I wish I had more time to devote to this list. The topics of late have been
interesting, informative and well thought out. I especially think the topic of
'character of the breed' is worth revisiting and clarifying as this is
sometimes
This message is from: Holly Tuck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve,
Even though I mostly lurk, I try to read what everyone
sends out to the list. I own a PMU cross
QH/Fjord(notice fjord is listed last only a 1/4) I
highly support your stand on the crossbreeds and
rescue issues. I like learning from the
This message is from: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve ,
I, for one, was relieved to see your post regarding putting a stop to the
rescue and adoption thread, and felt as you obviously do that this topic
should move to it's own cyber niche. This is after all the Fjord horse list
not the PMU
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steve,
I aplaud your decision. And the one about crossbreeding discussions. It
WAS getting a little heated, like discussing religion!
A suggestion for those who don'r want to have another list coming as
emails, just go to the UEFFjordRescue
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carol--
Saturday, January 11, 2003, 3:33:24 PM, you wrote:
Steve, what are the similarities between the old style Morgans and
our Fjords?
In a nutshell, the Fjords are a whole lot smarter (for better or
worse); the Morgans are a
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, every once in awhile someone has to make a judgement call, and
I have made the one on the rescue thread. Although some folks may
see it as an on-topic discussion, it has been straying toward
soliciting and advertising for a
This message is from: Vivian Creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
on 1/11/03 12:47 PM, ruth bushnell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
an
all-terrain horse, exploring in every kind of condition and circumstances to
their maximum physical and mental capabilities
This pretty much describes the event horse, only
This message is from: Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
QUESTIONS: What if Norway told you that if you Fjord stallion did not make
80 points or higher, it would have to be gelded? Would you geld your 79
point stallion?
What if your mares were considered not desirable... would you spay them?
What if
This message is from: Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I disagree with the statement that a CDE and Eventing are not a show? They
are competitions so in my book they are a type of show.
Performance horses and show horses . it depends on your own definition.
If you ever went on a trail ride
This message is from: Stephanie Smedman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If you have something specific in mind let me know.
After the house closes and we settle in, I'll be doing watercolor animal
portraits and would be willing to work with you on a custom piece. I also
paint in acrylics and oil if that's
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It is my opinion that Lynda Bailey should be able to post rescue
information on this list. Perhaps limiting it to a once a week update
would make everyone happy? I do not have time to look at other websites
or lists, though I do have a lot of interest in
This message is from: Janne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Greetings from cold ND
I had to just ditto what Steve said about people SEEING a fjord and then
getting interested in the breed. Absolutely!!! I really do think the
more we get out there' the better for attracting new owners. Because of our
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 1:23:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
of these two classes of Fjords, (performance/trail)
Hmm. Perhaps it might be better to refer to the two classes (if there
really needs to be a separation) as
This message is from: Debbie Shade [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Why have Lynda's rescues and rescue attempts been stopped from the list? I
for one don't think they should be banned.
For the survey my Fjord is ridden in open shows and Fjord shows, hunt seat,
games,and any other classes offered. Events
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, the horse we rode on vacation were just plain old, probably
crossbred, quarter horse types. Our own horses at the time were old
style Morgans.
Steve, what are the similarities between the old style Morgans and our
Fjords? I suspect that they
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ruth bushnell wrote:
I have received some correspondence off-list also, about the performance horse
as compared to the trail horse... wondering how I could pick on the
performance horse.
Methinks the problem is that you are confusing
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deb wrote:
to the increase in our recent intensity on this message board.
I think it may be a seasonal affect, it happens every year... it's called
January :-)
Lori
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I like your thoughts, Deb..Linda in MN
This message is from: Joanna Crell and David folger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
why is this discussion thread being shut down and by whom? While any one
topic can become obsessive or myopic, this is a breed specific forum that
has many members who can actively seek participation and awareness on
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have received some correspondence off-list also, about the performance horse
as compared to the trail horse... wondering how I could pick on the
performance horse. I didn't, I was simply defending the trail horse as their
equal and I'll
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Original Message Follows Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 09:41:49 -0700
This message is from: Beth Beymer, Starfirefarm
...I might be treading on thin ice here with my limited knowledge of
genetics, but I think the world wide gene pool in
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Sandra,
What
I am sorry, but I am not able to discuss this on the list anymore. I will
put you on my list to email privately, but please bear with me, I am swamped!
Lynda
Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's Norwegian Fjords
Quality Fjords--Equine
This message is from: Helena Klement [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello Listers:Ive been reading the list the past few days and am getting
a bit concerned! My concern is that you well meaning folk are setting up
a realy proffitable nich for PMU fjords. Did you know that they pay more
for a QH. and fjord
This message is from: Deb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As I am reading all these posts, including mine, they seem more passionate,
more pointed, more important than at other times when I have read posts.
I had a picture conjure up in my mind of Fjords all over the world. Some
were in the fields pulling
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There were only two that responded... so this tells me this subject is not
a hot topic.
Catherine Lassesen
Catherine, if you want someones opinion, tell them you have already made the
changes. They will tell you instantly how you SHOULD have
This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I certainly hate to be the Grinch that is dooming little Fjords to auction
or worse, but the volume of communications about this subject has become
such that perhaps Lynda's solution of starting a dedicated mailing list is
what's called for. I
This message is from: Lori Albrough [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lassesen wrote:
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I wanted to see what you all thought
I could have used more information to help determine what I thought.
As an example, one stated goal was to lower BOD costs. How
This message is from: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ruthie, Ruthie, Ruthie --- You misunderstood me. But it's not your
fault.
It's a question how each of us interprets different terms. When I say a
performance horse, you're thinking of a show horse, but I'm thinking
PERFORMANCE, as in
This message is from: Lassesen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was asked to explain why I sent in the question to the list about the
organizational structure.
I wanted to see what you all thought
There were only two that responded... so this tells me this subject is not a
hot topic.
Catherine
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debby--
Saturday, January 11, 2003, 9:20:22 AM, you wrote:
Were these fjords being used then? Just curious.
No, the horse we rode on vacation were just plain old, probably
crossbred, quarter horse types. Our own horses at the time
This message is from: Starfirefarm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I might have missed it some of the previous posts about this subject,
but in defense of cross breeding, several breeds that we now see
around the world have been developed by cross breeding. The American
Quarter Horse is one, so is the Morgan,
This message is from: Debby Stai [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Were these fjords being used then? Just curious. Debby
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OK. As long as I have my Enforcer hat on I'm going to call a halt to
the crossbreeding discussion. It's starting to veer perilously close
to flaming in many messages. Unfortunately, I haven't had a change
to put in my two cents on the
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Our first introduction to REAL trail horses was when we took a
riding vacation in Dubois, Wyoming. We thought our horses were trail
horses until we experienced the real thing. The difference was put
in clear perspective when the
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean--
Friday, January 10, 2003, 10:20:44 PM, you wrote:
Lynda I am very saddened that you are not allowed to continue with
the info of rescuing fjords. To me this is as important as
discussions on breed, food etc. I think we should have
This message is from: Hope Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I would like to keep seeing the messages about Fjord rescues. If we can't
discuss it here, there should at least be a link from the NFHR web site.
What about rescues that do not involve UEF, we can't discuss those either?
The UEF is doing us a
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In a message dated 1/10/2003 9:10:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have asked for this new Fjord rescue email list to be presented to the
NFHR
BOD to see if we can have a link put up under the Fjord Link Section on the
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How cold is it today? We're having trouble reaching 10 here in southern Wi.
k.
From: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2003/01/11 Sat AM 08:32:39 CST
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Re: dumb down?
This message is from: Carol J.
This message is from: Janet McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carol wrote:
dumbing down the breed to turn out trail horses would not
be fulfilling
the obligation we have of breeding for versatility,
strength, and the many
other unique qualities of the breed.
Carol,
Some of the trail riding I have
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 4:59:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think what is happening is that people on the outside may easily interpret
our 'strong emotional commitment to the breed being pure' as 'irrational
and
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 6:18:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jamie (is my Taurus nature showing yet? - LoL)
In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
No! Your common sense is loud and clear. :)
Pamela
A
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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none of our horses have ever smelled bear though and neither have I...
Hi,
Last spring, while on a drive, my Heidi alerted me to something in the
woods, but did not
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In a message dated 1/11/2003 4:59:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I say:
In support of Janet, It doesn't sound condescending to me. I would think
that not reading or attempting to understand the rest of her post could
only
This message is from: bolinsj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have to agree here with the variety being good for the horse. Our
first horse got so hot in the hunter/jumper arena that our trainer
suggested trail riding for 'mental conditioning' on alternate training
days. It took a little while, as the
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Ruthie, Ruthie, Ruthie --- You misunderstood me. But it's not your fault.
It's a question how each of us interprets different terms. When I say a
performance horse, you're
This message is from: Carol J. Makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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WA!!! I don't have my Herald yet? Anyone else waiting?
Linda in MN
WAAMe too.
--
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
N.
This message is from: Reena G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I too am saddened that this has been yanked from the list.it's a
pertinent discussion and update feature for all of the Fjord owners and
perspective owners. I do hope that a link will be established from the
NFHR page concerning this
This message is from: Reena G. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well we haven't either, and hope not to!! but we do have lots of deer that
'spring' from hidden places and cause me and Gustav to have a racing heart!!
and of course there is nothing like being chased by one of those HUGE
horseflies..nasty
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well Said!
Let's drop the subject of crossbreeding and talk about the great things
they do.
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, wishing I had some of that Icecream.
from Bonnie in Helena, MT
Now let's see what we do agree on:
We like the Fjord breed
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I'm going straight to the source on this one...
I've had very little luck in searches online, with dealers, catalogs, etc.
trying to find artwork of Fjords. Specifically, I'd be interested in
commorative posters, show/clinic posters, or anything with a
This message is from: Bill Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes we are waiting for ours also. It's like being told the ending plot
before you open the book's cover.
Bill Irene
Southern WI
WA!!! I don't have my Herald yet? Anyone else waiting?
Linda in MN
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Hey Linda,
I just emailed the NFHR the other day to find out where the issue may
beand I received it today. Be patient - it's coming! =)
Gretchen Karlson
A HREF=http://hometown.aol.com/fjordlove/myhomepage/index.html;Karlson
Equestrian
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lynda I am very saddened that you are not allowed to continue with the info
of rescuing fjords. To me this is as important as discussions on breed,
food etc. I think we should have this info available here. Perhaps limited
to so many lines or
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linda, I don't have mine either!
Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska
from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WA!!! I don't have my Herald yet? Anyone else waiting?
Linda in MN
Jean Ernest
This message is from: Robert Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
from Bonnie in Helena, MT
Now let's see what we do agree on:
We like the Fjord breed - yes, that is a good start
Some ride'm, some drive'm, some (heaven forbid), DO BOTH, with the same
horse!!!
Some ride english
Some ride western, mostly I
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I think what Janet is trying to say is that someone who wants to find out
what the taste of a mixture of chocolate and strawberry ice-cream tastes
like; shouldn't be banned from owning chocolate ice-cream, shouldn't be
banned from joining a chocolate
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Before I get into my response, let me just say that by nature I love a
good debate, so don't take this the wrong way and get really upset. I just
think this is a topic that needs further discussion in order to help those
that do not seem to
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