[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Good enough, best of luck. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you for the honesty, Tim. > >>This list, and the Macromedia based essence of theme for Flex that has > been a huge success, doesn't care about [enterprise developers like]

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Thank you for the honesty, Tim. >>This list, and the Macromedia based essence of theme for Flex that has been a huge success, doesn't care about [enterprise developers like]you or me<< I wonder how you got that impression. Are there many people that feel that way? Flex has enterprise side to it an

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On Friday 20 Jun 2008, David Pariente wrote: > if u finally decide to do something about this, do it in a new thread, > cause im sotopping reading this one / deleting it as fast as i see it :) If people want to create more 'focused' groups, go right ahead. No one will stop you. In the mean time

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AIL PROTECTED]> Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Enviado: viernes, 20 de junio, 2008 13:50:08 Asunto: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups I have to admit to not reading all the 132 messages so far written on this thread, but my 2p... On 20 Jun 2008, at 10:1

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I have to admit to not reading all the 132 messages so far written on this thread, but my 2p... On 20 Jun 2008, at 10:15, Tom Chiverton wrote: > On Thursday 19 Jun 2008, Joseph Balderson wrote: >> Again this is a mail client problem, not a list problem IMO. > Exactly. I've had the exact same dis

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Thursday 19 Jun 2008, Joseph Balderson wrote: > Again this is a mail client problem, not a list problem IMO. Exactly. I've had the exact same discussion on other lists (when moving to Google Groups, for instance). -- Tom Chiverton This

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Thursday 19 Jun 2008, Joseph Balderson wrote: > (not that I'm in favour of splitting, I'm not) -- but if the lists have > not yet been created, and existing messages stay in the archive, what's > to break? We're talking about a branching, not a migration, right? When someone tries to sign up, i

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I'll tell you honestly Anatole, I've been an enterprise developer for 25 years. From EDLIN to Flex, I've seen it; so please don't propose that you have some un-known insight to software development. This list, and the Macromedia based essence of theme for Flex that has been a huge success, doesn

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Well, given that we set up the javaflexcoders list and the phpflexcoders list and they get some traffic but not a lot, I don't know how actively we'll promote. As far as assigning moderators, I don't want to take that on. Set up the list, run it for a while, see if it takes. In the meantime,

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I guess, the majority of the group tends to like the way things are now. That is hardly surprising given initial posting that most people who do not like the current solution would unsubscribe. It also came to the light that enterprise developers have some restrictions in selection of the client (e

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On 19-Jun-08, at 2:03 PM, brucewhealton wrote: Maybe we need groups for different users at different experience levels. I think this list is so big that it is hard to find a response or thread, especially when one posts a question and wants to find out if someone responded. I have to look and l

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t;> >> - Original Message >> From: Enjoy Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:52:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, > focused groups >> >> I fo

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

v on adobe does a good job. > > > - Original Message > From: Enjoy Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:52:55 PM > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups > >

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] On Behalf Of Paul Andrews Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups Shudder. If it doesn't come through my mailbox, it doesn't happen. - Original Message - From:Enjoy Jake

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: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups Shudder. If it doesn't come through my mailbox, it doesn't happen. - Original Message - From: Enjoy Jake <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: >> The same way "threads by the topic" are simplier then unsorted individual >> email - you read only the ones you need and fold the rest. While you can >> argue that you

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

(not that I'm in favour of splitting, I'm not) -- but if the lists have not yet been created, and existing messages stay in the archive, what's to break? We're talking about a branching, not a migration, right? ___ Joseph Balderson, Dev

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

LOL - We're here to Flex.. [ clap ] ..you up! -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Merrill, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would recommend we shut down this list entirely, we all move to the same city and join a gym where we meet up every morning and ask Flex questions while we spot

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I would recommend we shut down this list entirely, we all move to the same city and join a gym where we meet up every morning and ask Flex questions while we spot each other. We call it Flexbuilders. Jason Merrill Bank of America Global Technology & Operations & Global Risk L&LD eTools &

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Shudder. If it doesn't come through my mailbox, it doesn't happen. - Original Message - From: Enjoy Jake To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups I forgot

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On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Joseph Balderson wrote: > New (proposed) The trouble with creating a totally new set of names is all the links scattered all over the internet would break. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of H

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: > The same way "threads by the topic" are simplier then unsorted individual > email - you read only the ones you need and fold the rest. While you can > argue that you can sort and fold messages with some client email > customization, it is not a

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, enjoy_jake wrote: > Maybe a mailing list like this isn't the best choice. Maybe it's time > to abandon flexcoders in favor of a more customized solution for > solving our problems. > I'm thinking a Flex front-end with BlazeDS to communicate with a clean > and efficien

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

FlexDev on adobe does a good job. - Original Message From: Enjoy Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:52:55 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups I forgot to mention the idea of includin

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I've been waiting for somebody to point that out Doug :) -Josh On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd just like to point out that we've just had a 108-message thread > among 20 different Flex developers in 2 days. Somehow among the > stagnation and overwhel

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

one-on-one help). It's a lot easier to give/receive help when there is the > possibility of immediate feedback > > - Original Message > From: Enjoy Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:56:16 PM > Subje

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easier to give/receive help when there is the possibility of immediate feedback - Original Message From: Enjoy Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:56:16 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused g

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

- Original Message From: Tim Hoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 3:46:45 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups Very well put Joseph; quite impressive prose and insight. -TH --- In [E

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Very well put Joseph; quite impressive prose and insight. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Balderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From the perspective of someone who in his opinion is only just edging > into the "advanced" category in Flex, I've been a lurker for many years > but

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I'd just like to point out that we've just had a 108-message thread among 20 different Flex developers in 2 days. Somehow among the stagnation and overwhelming traffic we've all had a fantastic discussion :) I think this thread is an argument that this list is alive and very healthy. Doug On Wed,

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From the perspective of someone who in his opinion is only just edging into the "advanced" category in Flex, I've been a lurker for many years but only just now gradually changing to a more active status on the list. To me, the volume of emails to the list was intimidating, until I decided to

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I think in dividing a list bursting at the seams, it seems, with too many diverse posts, that we don't forget that other list from which many migrated from when Flex 2/AS3 came out:Flashcoders. Flashcoders (and the newer Flash_Tiger) serves as a wellspring of AS3/Flash API info, so I wonder how

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Moderate first post is turned on for flexcoders and for flexcomponents, but I at least am more scanning for spam than stuff that really should be in flexcoders. Matt On 6/18/08 12:10 PM, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would definetly vote to add "moderate the first post

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I would definetly vote to add "moderate the first post" for advanced groups like flexcomponents to deal with the issues Doug brought up. I believe that would make lists better for everyone. Sincerely Anatole On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Doug,

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Josh McDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That's a really useful thing, why isn't it pimped here more often? I've been > here 10 months, and I'd never heard of it before that Brazilian fellow > (sorry I forgot your name dude) mentioned it in the original thr

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Doug, flexcomponents is not moderated in conventional sense. The name of the group is confusing for new users. Very few people have a sense what the group is for. I am more concerned that the messages that do not belong to flexcomponents stay there. Crossposting has to be moderated and discoura

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Cheers mate, that could help a lot. This is by the way the biggest show stopper of this list. Just to find this response took me quite a lot of clicking through crappy Yahoo mail list interface to find it. > > Can you do folders in gmail? I thought only labels are there and you > > still see al

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If a topic falls into multiple categories wouldn't it be logical to post to all lists that apply. Otherwise there might be a knowledgeable person out there you didn't reach. Wouldn't that be "legitimate" cross-posting? - Daniel Freiman On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Anatole Tartakovsky < [EM

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econd Doug's opinion. -- Maciek Sakrejda Truviso, Inc. http://www.truviso.com -Original Message- From: Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups D

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Out of the last 100 threads on flexcomponents 22 were cross posted to flexcoders. Almost every one (I think with one exception) was cross-posted by the original author immediately to both lists (sometimes as many as 5 lists! flexcoders, flex_india, flexcomponents, ria-india). One of them was pretty

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Hello Tom, >>How is >1 list simpler than 1 list ?<< The same way "threads by the topic" are simplier then unsorted individual email - you read only the ones you need and fold the rest. While you can argue that you can sort and fold messages with some client email customization, it is not a trivia

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

2008/6/18 Tom Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, b_alen wrote: > > Can you do folders in gmail? I thought only labels are there and you > > still see all the emails in your inbox, even if you don't want to. > > Configure a filter to 'skip inbox' when it matches. I guess you

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

That's exactly what I do. In fact that's the only thing I use this email address for. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Out of morbid curiosity, am I the only one who has multiple email > lists all being filtered into the same mega-list? I have flexcode

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Jeffry Houser wrote: > I do the same exact thing; except no color coding. Not sure if > Thunderbird does that. ;) yeah tbird's tags are color-coded and can be part of your message filters. frankly i don't think it matters if the list is split or not as long as i'm able to mash it up into the

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On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, b_alen wrote: > Can you do folders in gmail? I thought only labels are there and you > still see all the emails in your inbox, even if you don't want to. Configure a filter to 'skip inbox' when it matches. I guess you already have a filter if you say you label them. --

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Can you do folders in gmail? I thought only labels are there and you still see all the emails in your inbox, even if you don't want to. These lists are killing me and I had to make the emails coming in digests, and that's how I miss on all the fun. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Jeffry Hou

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I do the same exact thing; except no color coding. Not sure if Thunderbird does that. ;) Multiple lists [which I think is a bad idea] to me just means more cross posts. Doug McCune wrote: Out of morbid curiosity, am I the only one who has multiple email lists all being filtered into the

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Josh McDonald wrote: > That's a really useful thing, why isn't it pimped here more often? I've > been here 10 months, and I'd never heard of it before that Brazilian fellow > (sorry I forgot your name dude) mentioned it in the original thread earlier > today... I *think*

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On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Doug McCune wrote: > Out of morbid curiosity, am I the only one who has multiple email > lists all being filtered into the same mega-list? Nope. Kontact (well, Kmail) grabs all my Flex mailing list traffic into one folder. It could tag/color it if I wanted, but often i

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: > Multiple lists enforce thinking if it is appropriate before posting. Maybe. But if there are too many they'll just post to them all. > Moderators can ban/redirect unappropriate message. Flexcomponents often > redirect new users to flexcoders if

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Matt Chotin wrote: > Hey folks, let's calm down a little here, K? Aye. > 1) Let's get an FAQ going that can be edited by moderators or members of > the community. This would be a huge bonus, esp. given #3. > Center. But for now how about we just allocate a page off of

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Wednesday 18 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: > Stagnant is definetly not good for developing technology. It is also > unlikely to be "all good". Flexcoders increased 30% in 9 month ( from 7,500 > to 9965) since August of 2007. The number of messages for the first 5 > month increased ap

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: > go to the group page. Also, the number of users if I remember it correctly > has been in 9K for at least 6 month - meaning you have the same number of So, we've reached a core of people who stay/help out - and some number of people on top of th

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Reading the arguments about this subject is pretty confusing. One reason for splitting the list is so that more people will use flex related lists. Another reason for splitting the lists is that there are too many posts in one list. The list is apparently stagnating (!) so the splitting strategy

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Hey Matt, Appreciate you taking the time to stay in touch with this list. It sounds like Adobe has some great plans for the Flex forums that might improve the experience that people have commented on. I look forward to see what the somewhat near future brings. The only thing that I can say is

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Doug, I have few from the list in "high priority" gmail list that I monitor during the day along with personal and unsecured business messages. Priority account is associated with GTalk and other real time communications including push to mobile devices and todo/calendar lists. The rest goes

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

> could argue that at times it's certainly not helping my productivity > :) Agreed.. I'm using apple mail and achieving something similar.. Mail seems to render the rss html better than gmail. Ion's cool.. but no offline support. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Doug McCune" <[EMAIL PR

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gt; something like this > http://extjs.com/blog/2008/02/24/tasks2/ > > would work well, if we keep splitting it down then everyone is just going > to be overwhelmed and nothing will get done. > > ----- Original Message > From: Sherif Abdou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: fl

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

No Doug, I do the exact same thing. Fewer lists (like my current flex job, not using degrafa / pv3d, etc), but they're all going into the flex list. Once you learn not to care about the messages you mark "read" without reading them (kinda like ignoring a ringing phone, in my mind) it works pretty w

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ense. Also in that app you can implement chating and a lounge. - Original Message From: Daniel Freiman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com <http://ups.com><http://ups.com> <http://ups.com><http://ups.com><http://ups.com><http://ups.

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Out of morbid curiosity, am I the only one who has multiple email lists all being filtered into the same mega-list? I have flexcoders, flexcomponents, apollocoders, papervision, degrafa, flexlib, and flexjobs all dropped into a mondo folder in gmail. I color code each list accordingly so I can at a

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

t; - Original Message > From: Sherif Abdou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:18:49 PM > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused > groups > > > > > an easier way would j

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

7, 2008 11:18:49 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups an easier way would just create a big application using Flex/ColdFusion/ AIR all in one, combine Adobe <http://www.adobe.com/><http://www.adobe.com/> feeds, flexcoders, flexcomponents

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uesday, June 17, 2008 11:18:49 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups an easier way would just create a big application using Flex/ColdFusion/ AIR all in one, combine Adobe feeds, flexcoders, flexcomponents and everything in one site. Flexcoders can t

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

:36 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups I think of "Best Practices" and "Architecture/ Concepts" as separate but overlapping categories so I guess that's why I thought no one else brought it up. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

cool. This discussion needs some resolving though. I'm all for the creation of another 15 lists. With all the cross-posting, subject-meta, gmail, stats, my-left-arm-is-longer-than-my-right arguments, my vote is still with the split. best-practices, architecture, components, unit-testing, deploym

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I think of "Best Practices" and "Architecture/Concepts" as separate but overlapping categories so I guess that's why I thought no one else brought it up. On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Bjorn Schultheiss < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, to Bjorn, that's a point I hadn't thought of. The i

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

> Also, to Bjorn, that's a point I hadn't thought of. The idea of having an > arch/concepts list might be interesting. The two questions I would have > would be: 1) would the questions on this list have any connection to Flex Anatole mentioned it earlier in a 'Best Practices' list. For example

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Correlating subscribes, unsubscribes, and "everybody who posted in the last month" should be fairly easy when Doug's cooked up his list of threads/messages combined with what I assume are logs of subscribe and unsubscribe that Matt and co. have access to. From that we can work out average turnover,

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Matt, Doug, If you can just count subscriptions for the last 9 month, then take out 2500 of the accumulated difference, you would get unsubscribes. I assume that you are working off logs, not from the memberships export as it would remove unsubscribed members within the week (some busy people are

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I agree that a FAQ seems like a good idea no matter what. Is anyone against this idea independent of the argument of whether or not to split the list? As far as splitting lists, I still think if people want to propose potential new lists, they need to be much more explicit about what the list wil

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Having been on this list since 2004, yeah back when the Iteration folks were not Adobe Robe Wearers yet, I've seen this discussion come up a few times. I've asked for a associated FAQ a few times, but there was no interest from the Iteration folks on this or splitting up things, no offense Alistai

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

suggestion: type=my 2c and if there's any Aussie's or Kiwi's ... head over to http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexaussie/ Bjorn Schultheiss had the foresight to set this up ages ago but it really needs more bodies to really push it along and give it some critical mass. Use Flexcoders for se

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Just some random thoughts. It seems most of the posts on the list are general help questions. Alex and the other guys have been a great help when it comes to asking questions where the answers weren't bleedingly obvious to me in the documentation. Sometimes I have more abstract questions that I

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

*grin* On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then of course I'll build some flex apps to crunch some of the data :) > > -- "Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee." :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECT

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Matt, I'm definitely interested in knowing some of these stats. You could also track postings-per-user over time, and identify people who are likely candidates for a "hey, why'd you quit the list?" private email. I don't think anybody would be mad about being contact by an Adobe representative who

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I plan on gathering a complete archive of the list over the next week and doing some analysis. I'll post the full dataset once I get it compiled to let others play with it too. I'm working on a variety of ways to get a compiled list of all messages, but I think between either scraping the mail arch

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

As far as stats, we've had about 100 people join in the last week. I don't know how many folks unsubscribed, that seems to be a little harder to track easily and I don't have time to read through all the logs (if someone would like to write some scripts to go through the logs and build up these

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Nope, obviously not "all good" for you. It's slang, so I'm sorry if there was something lost in the translation. It specifically means that its not worth getting worked up over.The sky is falling. :-) -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Anatole Tartakovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Tim, Stagnant is definetly not good for developing technology. It is also unlikely to be "all good". Flexcoders increased 30% in 9 month ( from 7,500 to 9965) since August of 2007. The number of messages for the first 5 month increased approx 5% from the year before - even with major release t

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

No words to eat man. Those numbers also indicate that there hasn't been a sudden explosion in message volume recently. It's been consitant for years.So, the need to drastically re-structure because of the Inbox doesn't fly. Stagnation, perhaps. Less un-answered questions being asked. Any

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Doug, Before we get into details please note that you have smaller group 30% size of flexcoders members count posting 5% of the flexcoders message count - but people do not flee as the traffic does not force them, they get occasional emails and they have chance to follow up. Flexcomponents is a

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

OK, I eat my words in terms of message growth then :) Touche. Thanks for those stats. I'd actually be interested in getting access to the raw data dump for the entire list to run some analysis, but that's getting off topic. Just one point, which has already been brought up, but now that we're look

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Doug, As far as I know, I am the only one in the NY office who did not unsubscribe from the group. Looks at the stats ( provided by Tim) or just go to the group page. Also, the number of users if I remember it correctly has been in 9K for at least 6 month - meaning you have the same number of peop

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Doug, Here are the numbers. looks pretty consistant; once the critical mass was reached. -TH Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 2008 3282 3513 3859 <

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Actually, this is worth going back to, because your initial email said that the group was "stagnant" and has plateaued with the number of new users and questions. Except your reason for bringing it up is that the traffic has gotten too much for you to read every message. So clearly the level of tra

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Matt, Let us review the goal - in the original post I explained that single group causes stagnation. If you agree with the numbers and reasoning behind it, let us look at the proposition in that light. IMHO, the mentioned measures while staying within the same single group would probably exten

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

Hey folks, let's calm down a little here, K? Alright, based on what I've been seeing people say, here's my suggestion. 1) Let's get an FAQ going that can be edited by moderators or members of the community. This will be about common problems that folks run into. One suggestion of course from

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Trust me Amy, I'm not complaining about anything. If you want to put that stupid (...) after your little one liner, what do you expect me to say? Thank you for pointing out my flaws??? We were talking about cross posting and subject lines. Basically my answer was due to your rudeness. Talk abo

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schmalle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > How bout people starting to trim their messages...? > > heh, yeah well that one has been asked before, I'm guilty due to trying to > get other things done in the day. > > Gmail doesn't make it easy since the

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Multiple lists enforce thinking if it is appropriate before posting. Moderators can ban/redirect unappropriate message. Flexcomponents often redirect new users to flexcoders if the question is not about components. You almost never see questions on UI design in weborb. All in all - let us have the

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

> How about an agreed list of acronyms that we use to prepend the Subject line with: NEWB, MXML, AS3, DESIGN, HTTP, ALL, etc., and we do the sorting ourselves with the mail rules? > You can't force people to add keywords to their subjects (I'd also argues that any categories you come up with are

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> How bout people starting to trim their messages...? heh, yeah well that one has been asked before, I'm guilty due to trying to get other things done in the day. Gmail doesn't make it easy since the 'hide quoted text' is always collapsed. But really, I could care less about trimmed messages, it

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, John McCormack wrote: > How about an agreed list of acronyms that we use to prepend the Subject > line with: NEWB, MXML, AS3, DESIGN, HTTP, ALL, etc., and we do the sorting > ourselves with the mail rules? This makes the list less accessible to new comers. -- Tom Chiverto

[flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schmalle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > no matter how hopeless rudely the question is put. > > Subject :: NED helllp plzz > > I didn't even talk to my mom like that. ;-) > > I know there are hundreds of cultures out there bu

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How about an agreed list of acronyms that we use to prepend the Subject line with: NEWB, MXML, AS3, DESIGN, HTTP, ALL, etc., and we do the sorting ourselves with the mail rules? John

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

I agree that the definition of Enterprise is fuzzy here. It's a definition of how well something is supposed to work. It's technology agnostic (in theory only). Everything that interacts with the Flex could go in this group if the project specifications demand a certain level of application func

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Wow, This sounds like deja vu. Months ago I got off this list becasue that was exactly what was happening (ridiculous posts, repeats). But I got back on a month ago just to get back into the community. When you have put your time in a list(which I have, this one and flexcomponents), it starts to

Re: [flexcoders] Re: Splitting FlexCoders in smaller, focused groups

On Tuesday 17 Jun 2008, Bjorn Schultheiss wrote: > A corresponding wordpress blog/website for each list updated with info > by the moderators and contributors. > It wouldn't have to be an InsideRIA style blog, just info relating to > the list. This would just be static, on the order of months if n

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